Actually the quote is
"I only hope that we don't lose sight of one thing - that it was all started by a mouse." ~Walt Disney
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Eisner vs Iger how do they match up
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"I only hope that we don't lose sight of one thing - that it was all started by a mouse." ~Walt Disney
Thanks , how true
DisneyManOne
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS NOW OFFICIAL. WE OFFICIALLY HAVE PROOF THAT BOB IGER IS WORSE THAN MICHAEL EISNER.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/14/disney-mary-poppins-rob-marshall
You do not touch Mary Poppins, Iger. Even Eisner--who defecated on many other classics when he made those crap-fest DTV sequels--knew not to touch that.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/14/disney-mary-poppins-rob-marshall
You do not touch Mary Poppins, Iger. Even Eisner--who defecated on many other classics when he made those crap-fest DTV sequels--knew not to touch that.
orlando678-
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I dont think this is too bad actually. It would make a nice series of Mary Poppins movies, Mary Poppins, Saving Mr.Banks and the new movie which is closer to P.T Travers' original story.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Hard to say because they ran completely different companies. Eisner took over a company on the brink of collapse and saved it, he also built a lot but I don't think any of it was fully developed, he oversaw the ever failing Disney Paris, a half day MGM Studios, a half day Animal Kingdom, and a failing DCA. Iger took over a company in good health but has spent billions fixing all the theme parks that Eisner built. Between DCA 2.0, AK 2.0, Hollywood Studios 2.0, the purchase of Lucas Film, Pixar, and Marvel Igers reign will positively impact the Disney corp for decades to come.
I think Iger has had a bigger impact but he was only able to do it because Eisner handed him a company in good health.
I think Iger has had a bigger impact but he was only able to do it because Eisner handed him a company in good health.
Brer Panther
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Also, they both put an end to traditional animation simply because one or two movies underperformed.
You put The Princess and the Frog up against Avatar, Bob. Even if it were CGI it still wouldn't have made that much!
You put The Princess and the Frog up against Avatar, Bob. Even if it were CGI it still wouldn't have made that much!
Matt_Black
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I thought the move away from traditional animation was Lasseter's call?
Brer Panther
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Well, wasn't Lasseter the one who wanted to bring it back? Maybe it was his call, I don't know.
DisneyManOne
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Yes, but Home on the Range was a flop both critically AND financially. Princess and the Frog did garner critical praise, but pitted against Avatar, it didn't leave much to the box office.
But, despite Lasseter's hopes that 2D animation will make a comeback, Iger won't let that happen...because it's become quite apparent that he's inherited Eisner's obsession with money.
DisneyManOne
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Yes, but Home on the Range was a flop both critically AND financially. Princess and the Frog did garner critical praise, but pitted against Avatar, it didn't leave much to the box office.
But, despite Lasseter's hopes that 2D animation will make a comeback, Iger won't let that happen...because it's become quite apparent that he's inherited Eisner's obsession with money.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Yes, but Disney is still a business. If Iger (and Eisner for that matter) allowed the company to bleed money, then the Board and the stockholders would have his head served to him on a plate.
gibson12
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Brad Bird has said recently he'd like to do another 2D movie. All those guys at Pixar recognize that a movie's success is more dependent on it's storytelling than the technology or medium, but I think computers have just made it so much more affordable to make a feature animation film, someone would need a really good reason to go through the hand drawn process.
As far as Iger vs. Eiser: if Eisner hadn't left, Pixar would have split completely because of how he was treating them and we would have Toy Story sequels on par with the direct to dvd Disney Toons. Iger went to Steve Jobs and openly admitted the Disney movies were getting worse while Pixar was providing all the memorable characters of the last 20 years. This led to Catmull, Lasseter, and the Pixar guys being inserted into Disney creative and in a couple years we went from Home On The Range and Chicken Little to Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph, and Big Hero 6.
As far as Iger vs. Eiser: if Eisner hadn't left, Pixar would have split completely because of how he was treating them and we would have Toy Story sequels on par with the direct to dvd Disney Toons. Iger went to Steve Jobs and openly admitted the Disney movies were getting worse while Pixar was providing all the memorable characters of the last 20 years. This led to Catmull, Lasseter, and the Pixar guys being inserted into Disney creative and in a couple years we went from Home On The Range and Chicken Little to Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph, and Big Hero 6.
Brer Panther
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Yeah, we should at least give Iger credit for that.
Mouse Trap
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Iger is now in charge of setting the next CEO and TWDC up for success for the next 10+ years or watch the company struggle.
He's done a good job so far pulling the trigger on SWL and has begun to make some moves on the direction of ESPN. Will he follow through with both? We'll see. The next CEO will either control TWDC during a massive and unprecedented time of success or struggle as cable falls apart and a lack of improvements/additions to the parks result in a cash vacuum.
He's done a good job so far pulling the trigger on SWL and has begun to make some moves on the direction of ESPN. Will he follow through with both? We'll see. The next CEO will either control TWDC during a massive and unprecedented time of success or struggle as cable falls apart and a lack of improvements/additions to the parks result in a cash vacuum.
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unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
While I don't deny the end of life of Cable TV is not too far in the future, I fail to see how that applies to.the parks sucking cash.
Perhaps I just don't see the connection...could you provide some explanation to this statement?
Matt_Black
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You know, that same period when we had the "awful films" was also the period that brought us films like Lilo & Stitch, The Emperor's New Groove, and the criminally underrated Treasure Planet and Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
Mouse Trap
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I've edited my post because I didn't intend for there to be any connection
Two separate issues which may or may not happen, but very possible.
gibson12
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And imagine how great those could have been if the creative team was organized as well as it is now, where filmmakers are allowed to fix story problems instead of having executives hand down ridiculous mandatory notes. Instead of moderate successes or "underrated," they might have made an impact, the way all the movies after Bolt have.
Have to recommend Ed Catmull's book Creativity Inc. for a fascinating look into this behind the scenes stuff. The Disney War book, as mentioned, tells a lot about the Eisner years. And if you can track it down, there's a documentary called The Sweatbox that shows what the climate was like during the making of Emperor's New Groove.
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Matt_Black
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The films themselves were fine, the issues were not with production. Atlantis: The Lost Empire was put against Tomb Raider, a highly anticipated summer action film starring the incredibly popular Angelina Jolie. Treasure Planet was barely advertised- I don't remember seeing any commercials on television for it. I'm sure there were, but the fact that I can't remember them is a pretty much a failure of marketing, considering I can remember commercials from 30 years ago.
Phineas
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Atlantis is so much effing fun.
I had all the action figures, and was really hoping for it to take off and have a theme park presence...middle school aged me was so hopeful.
AND it opened while the first Harry Potter film was corralling theater goers-it barely stood a chance.