Eisner vs Iger how do they match up

[orlando678-]

interesting where is Buena Vista Street? is it in WDW?

DCA. Also what about Mickey Avenue in Shanghai which is devoted to Walt Disney and his characters. It was first called Walt Disney Avenue.

 

[216bruce]

Wasn't it Iger who built Buena Vista Street, which an entire land devoted to Walt Disney and his arrival to California.

Yup. The entire street/area is a homage to Walt's early years in California and the Carthay Circle Restaurant is filled with photos of Walt, along with the statue of him out front of it. Also, Iger, as did Eisner, doesn't work alone without Board approval on things or advice and input from the directors and execs in charge of the Parks etc. Will One Man's Dream close?...yes, it appears that it likely will and it's my favorite thing to see at DHS. But change happens and the exhibit (supposed to be for a year only) has been around for more than a decade longer (overseen by Iger) than it was supposed to be.
Also, the entire new World of Color extravaganza in California Adventure is dedicated to Walt. So if you try to be fair about this, the worst you can say is that the alleged banishing of Walt from TDO is at best a mixed bag. It's not like the company isn't the DISNEY company and has become the Iger Company.
Finally, Walt wasn't big on taking credit for what he accomplished...there was a great deal of debate and discussion about even having the "Partners" statue in the Parks with Walt's daughter Diane and the family and it was Roy, not Walt, that named the Park in Florida WALT Disney World...which by the way it is STILL named. If you don't like Iger or Eisner, or for that matter either one of them, that's fine. But try to be fair in your criticism and informed in your opinions.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Since this is a parks forum, I only focus on that piece.

Iger has been a terrible CEO for the parks, although recent announcements have the potential to turn that around somewhat.

Eisner was incredible for new attractions that are still some of the most popular, crowd pleasing attractions of today.

Eisner had his other issues and Iger has been incredible for shareholders, but that side has many other factors unrelated to parks.

Disney shares have also taken a pretty significant downturn (25% down in a month) due to cable fears. That could be construed as Iger's fault as he failed to react to a changing cable environment. We'll see. ESPN and ABC are the biggest profit drivers for Disney and few realize that.

 

[orlando678-]

Yup. The entire street/area is a homage to Walt's early years in California and the Carthay Circle Restaurant is filled with photos of Walt, along with the statue of him out front of it. Also, Iger, as did Eisner, doesn't work alone without Board approval on things or advice and input from the directors and execs in charge of the Parks etc. Will One Man's Dream close?...yes, it appears that it likely will and it's my favorite thing to see at DHS. But change happens and the exhibit (supposed to be for a year only) has been around for more than a decade longer (overseen by Iger) than it was supposed to be.
Also, the entire new World of Color extravaganza in California Adventure is dedicated to Walt. So if you try to be fair about this, the worst you can say is that the alleged banishing of Walt from TDO is at best a mixed bag. It's not like the company isn't the DISNEY company and has become the Iger Company.
Finally, Walt wasn't big on taking credit for what he accomplished...there was a great deal of debate and discussion about even having the "Partners" statue in the Parks with Walt's daughter Diane and the family and it was Roy, not Walt, that named the Park in Florida WALT Disney World...which by the way it is STILL named. If you don't like Iger or Eisner, or for that matter either one of them, that's fine. But try to be fair in your criticism and informed in your opinions.

Disneyland forever is also pretty much dedicated to Walt. Im quite positive that the One Mans Dream gallery will appear somewhere else. Maybe not in Hollywood Studios, maybe not in Walt Disney World, but im quite sure that its going to happen

 

[DisneyManOne]

interesting where is Buena Vista Street? is it in WDW?

Nope. It's the new entrance to Disney California Adventure.

 

[POLY LOVER]

Nope. It's the new entrance to Disney California Adventure.

so maybe we are all wrong and he is going to do the right thing in WDW with Walts tribute.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Also, the entire new World of Color extravaganza in California Adventure is dedicated to Walt.

I'd forgotten about that. The current presentation features quite a bit of footage of Walt throughout the entire show.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Nope. It's the new entrance to Disney California Adventure.

The land is probably the most elaborate tribute to Walt Disney there is in any theme park.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Buena Vista Street in DCA is a fantasized tribute to 1930's Los Angeles. The city wasn't exactly like BVS in the 30's.

 

[SpaceMountain75]

The land is probably the most elaborate tribute to Walt Disney there is in any theme park.

Ugh, I just love that area of the park. I could (and have) sit on a bench all night with a warm drink in hand, and watch the lights flicker in the trees around Carthay while the jazzy background loop fills the ears.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Buena Vista Street in DCA is a fantasized tribute to 1930's Los Angeles. The city wasn't exactly like BVS in the 30's.

True, and the same could be said of pretty much every "real world" representation that WDI produces. There's always an air of whimsy even in the most authentic reproductions at Disney parks.

 

[POLY LOVER]

The land is probably the most elaborate tribute to Walt Disney there is in any theme park.

when did they create this area, I was in Cali about 8 years ago and I don't remember seeing it.

 

[SpaceMountain75]

when did they create this area, I was in Cali about 8 years ago and I don't remember seeing it.

It was part of the massive overhaul of DCA that was completed in 2012.

 

[tonganprince]

Isner/Eisner however you want to spell it, by a country mile. Iger can catch up a little, but will he still be here by the time the new stuff is rolled out?

 

[216bruce]

They've both done what modern day head guys in charge do- grow the company. It isn't 1950 anymore and sadly that's how corporations roll these days. We can accept that and enjoy it or gripe and pine for the past. Sorry.

 

[POLY LOVER]

They've both done what modern day head guys in charge do- grow the company. It isn't 1950 anymore and sadly that's how corporations roll these days. We can accept that and enjoy it or gripe and pine for the past. Sorry.

this may be true, but this company was grown with the history being part of the product it is. Its unque that way so yes CEO's need to grow their companys but the product here incorporates the disney history. They are selling part of that 1950's feel you mention. People pay the price theypay partially because of the feeling Disney has created. When you have a CEO that does not respect the history you got troubles ahead. Things turn on a dime. Walt said it best NEVER FORGET THIS IS ALL ABOUT A MOUSE.

 

[POLY LOVER]

I guess an issue that is coming to light from the posts is that Disney is not a seemless operation. Some great ideas at one park don't seem to make it to the other park.
I know there are diffferent heads of each location but why would one park have an area dedicated to Walt and the other not. Are these Presidents independent archetects of their domain? Are they free to do as they please?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I know there are diffferent heads of each location but why would one park have an area dedicated to Walt and the other not.

Because the park is called Disney California Adventure and it was rethemed (mostly) to represent California during the Disney Studio's heyday, around 1930s to 1950s. Thus, the Buena Vista Street story line is a logical way to set the scene as guests enter DCA. It's quite nice, and a brilliant solution to what was once a very uninspired entrance.

Could the land be adapted in WDW? Sure, but it would obviously lack the context that makes it so awesome at DCA. Not to mention that the culmination of Walt's California story, Disneyland, is literally right next door.

 

[POLY LOVER]

Because the park is called Disney California Adventure and it was rethemed (mostly) to represent California during the Disney Studio's heyday, around 1930s to 1950s. Thus, the Buena Vista Street story line is a logical way to set the scene as guests enter DCA. It's quite nice, and a brilliant solution to what was once a very uninspired entrance.

Could the land be adapted in WDW? Sure, but it would obviously lack the context that makes it so awesome at DCA. Not to mention that the culmination of Walt's California story, Disneyland, is literally right next door.

I think the newly renovated hub area at wdw could of been the Disney walk.
There is a story to tell about the Orlando project too.

 

[POLY LOVER]

There has to be a balance of both. If done correctly, customers will get better parks and more people will go, filling the rooms which would hopefully drive the stock up, making investors more money.

The cutbacks at Disney aren't helping the experiences for guests, but they look good on paper. There are people who don't like musical acts or performers, but there are people that do. There are people that like having a wide variety of park specific merchandise to buy. Right now, most of the stuff in the parks can be bought at DTD without ever stepping foot in a park. That cut to the specific merchandise and bringing in just stock stuff, isn't necessarily hurting sales, but it can't be helping either.

I could go on, but basically it's all in the mentality and background of each CEO. If one lives up to Walt's ideals and says we're gonna build new rides, fix the older ones and make this a place where there is "magic", then that's what they'll make it. If another comes in as a stock broker running the place like Scrooge McDuck and all they see is $$$ instead of people, then that's the result you're going to see.

Great analysis of the man, I believe he is the stock holder ceo. We should not be in such a total rebuild mode all at once. This tells me they ignored to many things for too long. Now you are in catch up mode.