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Eddie Sotto's take on the current state of the parks
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HMF
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You can see it on youtube if you really want to.
EPCOT Explorer
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Mousebits too.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Some of you can't.
Well not unless I buy a video player.
mcjaco
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The Conundrum
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I guess he was refering to an earlier draft. I recently watched the film again. It's not great but its not bad either. I think the problem is it's too campy and tries to be a 20's version of Tim Burton's Batman. They should have just played it straight or make it more like an inner city indiana jones.
Animaniac93-98
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The campiness is part of the kind of movie it tried to be. It was an old fashioned kind of crime flick that was alot closer to the comics than the 40s Tracy films.. I like it and The Rocketeer for that reason (and James Horner's score for that movie is just amazing) and it's in my top 5 comic book movies (with Chris Nolan's Batman movies and Batman Returns).
I'd love to see a direcor's cut, but it was never released dispite rumored plans.
Animaniac93-98
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EPCOT Explorer
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D23?:lookaroun
Animaniac93-98
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Oh no, you couldn't do that.
First you'd get some D23 to buy it, then he or she would show it to a 6 year old child, that child would then treat black people like crap because of the movie and grow up to be a Klansman (or Klanswoman, they're bizarrely PC now) and destroy the lives of other black people while singing "Zip-a Dee-Do-Da".
It's all based on scientific fact, ya know.
EPCOT Explorer
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:dazzle::ROFLOL:
Post of the day.
And maybe if they marketed this right...Oh, wait...It's D23.:lookaroun:lol:
I'd be happy, though...
WDW1974
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I actually have some of Herb's work on the walls of my home office. A great artist, no doubt.
Speaking of Disney greats, I was told John Hench actually did some work on HKDL before he passed away in 2004. It would be interesting to find out if he did anything of substance (i.e. stuff they'll stick in a future coffee table book) or not.
Of course as a fan of that little Lantau park, I'd like to see the art they sold the Chinese on before ripping out 60% of the park ... funny how that stuff has never surfaced!
Sorry for the digression ...must be all the rain hitting my window.
I think Jeffrey was/is a fairly talented Hollywood exec who, like most in the business, has a vastly inflated world view of himself.
I remember the first day I ever met him because it was also the first day I ever met Michael Eisner and the only day I ever met Bob Hope ... May 1, 1989. Michael came off as very genuine and down to earth (was very taken with the fact my brother was wearing a TDL tee because in those days almost no one in the USA even knew the park existed) ... anyway, everyone I saw had a name tag on, including Michael. But not Katzenburg. And he wasn't very friendly when I spoke to him (in front of what is now TSMM but at the time was a working soundstage) ... later I dealt with both men in professional situations/settings and my impressions didn't change at all.
As to D-I-C-K Tracy, I enjoyed the film because it nailed the look and feel of the old comics. But it also wasn't something that had franchise written all over it (like Eisner had hoped). Funny how years later they had absolutely no real hopes for a film based on an attraction and PoC just exploded on them and was huge.
Going back to DLP ... as much as I would have enjoyed seeing your different take on Main Street, I also would have loved to have seen Tim Delaney's Discovery Mountain concept built with the multiple attractions, including the Nautilus in the giant dome.
You guys did an absolutely amazing job with that park. It really set the template for what a 21st century MK style park should be ... too bad they didn't take that model and improve upon it for HKDL.
The Conundrum
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yea I know im just saying they approached it wrong. It would be like if Nolan decided to base his new Batman on the campy 60s adam west version. It wouldn't fly with audiances.
Eddie Sotto
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I don't know if the Tracy ride would be a hit or not, I never saw the concept work, but to your point about familiarity, I had NO idea who Mr.Toad was as a kid. There was no way to see the film in the 60's as it was not in the reissue rotation (and no VHS). How many kids actually saw that short? The most obscure Ride/Film reference I can think of. Basically "Grand Theft Auto meets a Featurette".
EpcoTim
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LOL propaganda.
whylightbulb
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Oh yea, conceptually we had a hit in the making. We completed creative development and design intent and had been well into schematics before the project was halted so we were far enough along to get a sense of what would have gone into production. R&D was heavily involved at the time and we completed a model that had everyone drooling. The technology was cutting-edge, and even by today's standards, much of it has still never been employed exactly the same as was planned for Tracy.
One of the gags I remember testing was the gun feedback system. As the Tommy guns were fired, not only would the show action equipment have been animated, but we also had on-board stobe and light effects, haptic feedback, strategic air and smoke blasts and even projection systems to simulate the results of shooting non-target items such as walls and certain props. We did a very early mock-up of this gag and the results were quite exciting.
The sets were detailed and extensive. The ride system would have been a forerunner to the Indy EMV. The difference here was not so much relience on roll for the motion base but an agressive yaw feature that would make stopping the car and taking sharp turns a lot of fun.
There was plenty of humor and a lot of action planned. Most of the show elements had a randomization feature built in as well. All in all I believe this would have been a stellar attraction.
mcjaco
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Mr. Toad was also a book, although it's a stretch...... I'll be quite honest, I never really cared for that ride, and don't get the hoopla over it anyway.
It sounds like it, and you're obviously very adamant about it. As I said before, I just don't think the Tracy theme had staying power.
Eddie Sotto
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memory jogger
Aaaah. Now that you mention all of this, I DO recall riding around in a Black Sedan test vehicle one hot afternoon and it threw you around in sharp turns and so forth, VERY FUN.
Aaaah. Now that you mention all of this, I DO recall riding around in a Black Sedan test vehicle one hot afternoon and it threw you around in sharp turns and so forth, VERY FUN.
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