PeterAlt
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It needs to constantly be brought up since there are still questions unanswered. And it would have saved me all the energy fighting with people on the monorail threads.
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Early 90's Light Rail/Trolley System Proposal for WDW
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No, there's where you're wrong again. There was never any mass conspiracy to keep "the truth" from being revealed. There was never a concerted effort to deny plans for monorail expansion existed. What most of us said, and what you turned around through your delusional filter, is that there may have been plans at one point, but now the direction of the company has changed. Nothing more, nothing less. You didn't uncover, discover, or reveal anything new. In fact, you admitted to having not seen these plans before. So stop trying to accuse everyone of being a corporate schill and accept the fact that for the foreseeable future monorail expansion is not in the cards. Imagineer new lines all you want. But stop throwing out accusations because people understand the materials and cost of expanding new monorails is an expense Disney does not want to incur.
I want to know why Space Mountain was built too far north. But I don't constantly bring it up.
In short busses are cheaper.
Constantly bringing it up in the general threads is what brings what could be construed as a hostile response.
Maybe.
There is no maybe about it. Repeatedly beating a dead horse will raise the ire of even the calmest individual.
PeterAlt
Well-Known Member
I hear you but as I said if someone were to just tell me about this during the monorail wars, it would have saved me a lot energy and battle scars...
Common sense is just that....
PeterAlt
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That oddly makes a lot of sense!
danlb_2000
Premium Member
You are the one who has the obsession with Disney transportation systems, why didn't you find this?
PeterAlt
Well-Known Member
Yah, you know, that's the first thing that came to mind when I found it. You know how I found it? During a thing I do every now and then by random mixing certain keywords in the major search engines to see what comes up. It's like a game of roulette. You never know what comes up, but that's how I've found everything I found so far. Most of the time, I get nothing new, so it's all luck and chance. Well, when I used the key words "light rail" and "Walt Disney World", it brought this thread up, which I was shocked that I missed since I'm always here! I was shocked for two reasons: that I missed the thread and how far this project that I had no previous knowledge about had advanced before getting canceled. I'm certain I've done searches with the keywords a thousand times before, but anything relating to this project never once came up. That's why this information should rise from the blind obscurity of the Netherworlds to the eyes of the public domain. It needs to be reinserted back where it belongs - as part of history. Not forgotten, and therefore claimed to have never have happened.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
It often takes more then random Google to turn up things like this, you need to dig into the public record database which aren't exposed through Google. There is probably a lot of interesting information there, if you are willing to dig for it. I am actually waiting to hear back from the OP as to where he found this document, and if it was found online.
I think the question of how far this project actually got is an open one. The document quoted in this thread was some sort of master planning document that lists other projects that didn't happen, the Mediterranean Resort for example. I did some searching on the South Florida Water Management District permit site, and I actually did turn up some references to the Mediterranean, but nothing about the light rail/trolley project.
PeterAlt
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Interesting. By the way, did you see the 1983 maps I posted a few weeks ago of the then-Master Plan for the WDW property? It showed the exact path of where the WDW Village monorail expansion spur was planned. It wasn't the route from the models and renderings everyone is familiar with (which were from a late 60's or 70's earlier unrelated proposal). The station would have been on the south side of LBV Boulevard, where Team Disney is. This is the project that would have used the infamous footer.
Any way, there have been multiple attempts to get new transit lines or extensions built. Each has a story to tell and we're just starting to learn about them - and that's just the ones we know about!
I'm sure this wasn't the last attempt (between then and now). I know of a multi-billion dollar monorail expansion plan that almost happened before paranoia from 9/11 killed it. I know very little about another project that almost brought light rail to DAK. There was another attempt as recently as 2008 to extend the transit network to a proposed high speed rail station at a 50 acre site at WDW and I-4 which was cancelled when the FHSR system got cancelled (no other details are known about that project). There were at least two attempts to extend the monorail to DHS in the late 80's and mid-90's, with two different alignments (one followed World Drive and the other cut through (and stopped) at Disney's Boardwalk Resort. Not too long ago, a company that makes PRT systems said they were working in Florida on a secret project. It was leaked that Disney was this company's customer.
I think the reason Disney keeps all the information about these projects secret is because they don't want people like me learning about them for justified fear that people like me would get people talking, which is something they would rather avoid like the plague if possible.
flynnibus
Premium Member
oh man... I've honestly never seen someone take bits of fact and take them so far to spin up entire new realities. I mean... it's not even a mis-read... its like.. a full on, full-time effort to weave these stories together. It can't be stopped when someone is that deep.
I had to use the ignore button long ago to keep my head from exploding...
Alex Jones would be proud.
flynnibus
Premium Member
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
[Speculation]
Sightlines. With SM located in the middle of the path between the fountains, the Castle is barely visible form the Contemporary anymore. A late realisation that sealed a change of plans.
Because we had also got the Starjets as the weenie. Arguably, a better weenie than bulky Space. See Tokyo.
Also , the TL Skyway station was misplaced, in the way of a central Space. Meanwhile, Space all the way to the north keeps the south plot, the pond, open for unhinderd expansion.
[/speculation]
danlb_2000
Premium Member
But Disney isn't keeping this a secret, it is part of the public records and probably has been for years, just took someone a little effort to find it. If Disney was truely trying to hide something they would have found a way to keep it out of the public records.
The Empress Lilly
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Some people are obsessed by monorails. Mono, single. Singular obsession. A monorail is a single beam, you can not stray from its path. It is aloof, disconnected from the practical, muddy earthly reality. It can only do one thing, move in the same direction, everytime.
Would that attract a ceratin persoanlity? Maybe.
Other people are obsessive about paddlewheel steamboats. (What personality is attracted to a vandalised, amputated, former beauty queen steamboat? Hmmm....)
Others obsess over social media, or the Imagination pavilion, or the Innoventions music loop. So what. Good for them. For one, we are all of us a bit too obsessed by an amusement park in the first place.
Would that attract a ceratin persoanlity? Maybe.
Other people are obsessive about paddlewheel steamboats. (What personality is attracted to a vandalised, amputated, former beauty queen steamboat? Hmmm....)
Others obsess over social media, or the Imagination pavilion, or the Innoventions music loop. So what. Good for them. For one, we are all of us a bit too obsessed by an amusement park in the first place.
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