Early 90's Light Rail/Trolley System Proposal for WDW

[Master Yoda]

Because "proof of my concepts" is not what we're talking about here.

Then what are we talking about?

 

[Hakunamatata]

Then what are we talking about?

Terrariums?

 

[wm49rs]

Because "proof of my concepts" is not what we're talking about here.

Well, we're not talking about any current Disney ones either. You're the only one holding a torch for this project....

 

[PeterAlt]

Disney has the blessing of lots of contiguous properties, but you would never know walking through all of it. It has the appearance of many owners. When you seamlessly integrate the properties together, they become value-added and the economics of one helps to drive the economics of each interconnecting property. Disney understood this when they built the monorail system. They understood it when they built the EPCOT resorts and the Gateway entrance at World Showcase. Ballies-MGM at the Las Vegas strip gets it, tying their properties together with people mover trams, elevated walkways, and moving sidewalks.

 

[wm49rs]

And yet they seem to be doing just fine connecting them with busses. Whether it's desired or not....

 

[PeterAlt]

Then what are we talking about?

We're talking about past attempts to bring about an expansion of mass transit system at WDW, and the prospects of future attempts.

My position has always been that there attempts, but never knew it actually got as far as this project did, and it remains a long term goal.

 

[wm49rs]

We're talking about past attempts to bring about an expansion of mass transit system at WDW, and the prospects of future attempts.

There are no prospects right now; that's the point. Disney is investing in new busses, new bus stops, new bus routes.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Yeah - they forgot his Magic Band.

...it's not on his wrist.

 

[nolatron]

Much as I can't stand the busses I'd probably prefer them over a property wide track-based system.

If 1 bus break downs, just that single bus affected. But if 1 trolley breaks down the whole line goes down (like the monorail).

 

[sshindel]

I get it. This is when everybody gangs up on me with illogical nonsense. This is when I say later gators. Until next time, it's been fun and it's been real but it hasn't been real fun.

Not true. Let me fix it for you.

I get it. This is when everybody gangs up on me with illogical nonsense.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Much as I can't stand the busses I'd probably prefer them over a property wide track-based system.

If 1 bus break downs, just that single bus affected. But if 1 trolley breaks down the whole line goes down (like the monorail).

Amazing to think that Disney was once able to boast about the reliability of their monorails.

 

[PeterAlt]

My bet is that whenever they get around to expanding and remaking DHS, it will include a link to Epcot disguised as an attraction, or at least before the bean counters get a hold of it. I could be wrong, if people who aren't as smart as me and those working at Universal aren't calling the shots.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

And yet they seem to be doing just fine connecting them with busses. Whether it's desired or not....

Alas, they do just fine with busses indeed.


But 'doing just fine' is exactly the bitter accusation many of us level at WDW.

'Doing just fine' is not good enough for Disney. And 'doing just fine with busses' is nowhere near good enough for the world's largest controlled resort, one that started out with the promise of testing and implementing ever new transport systems too.


It's too late for a logical, planned public transport system. Alas. Accepting that for what it is, me, I would implement an automated electrical car system. Twenty thousand electrical cars, guided by GPS, driving in a controlled environment. Private individual transport, driving you directly from A to B, at the command of your voice. Sponsored by energy, car, voice recognition, and gps firms. That's the Spirit of EPCOT, that should permeate everything they do at WDW. Doing just fine with bussing people to their fastpassed M&G with a 4000 calorie Turkey leg is not what any of this was all about.

 

[PeterAlt]

Terrariums?

What do you know about Terrariums?

 

[danlb_2000]

My bet is that whenever they get around to expanding and remaking DHS, it will include a link to Epcot disguised as an attraction, or at least before the bean counters get a hold of it. I could be wrong, if people who aren't as smart as me and those working at Universal aren't calling he shots.

They already have foot paths, boats and busses connecting the two parks, they don't really need anything else.

 

[Master Yoda]

Alas, they do just fine with busses indeed.


But 'doing just fine' is exactly the bitter accusation many of us level at WDW.

'Doing just fine' is not good enough for Disney. And 'doing just fine with busses' is nowhere near good enough for the world's largest controlled resort, one that started out with the promise of testing and implementing ever new transport systems too.


It's too late for a logical, planned public transport system. Alas. Accepting that for what it is, me, I would implement an automated electrical car system. Twenty thousand electrical cars, guided by GPS, driving in a controlled environment. Private individual transport, driving you directly from A to B, at the command of your voice. Sponsored by energy, car, voice recognition, and gps firms. That's the Spirit of EPCOT, that should permeate everything they do at WDW. Doing just fine with bussing people to their fastpassed M&G with a 4000 calorie Turkey leg is not what any of this was all about.

Quite honestly, I could see self driving google cars working better than any other type of rail system. They have the flexibility and reliability of busses, one car going down would not shut down the entire system and you could use the existing roads with no or just minor changes.

 

[PeterAlt]

They already have foot paths, boats and busses connecting the two parks, they don't really need anything else.

You're right. They already have much of the infrastructure there do it. It's still a long walk by foot and it's nice to have the boat option. They used to have trams make the trip. They can seal off the tram path from pedestrians and build a new sidewalk that is walled or fenced off from the former tram path. On that path, they could run an electric and automated variation of the tram that would stop at International Gateway, Disney Boardwalk, and DHS. This would probably be the least expensive way to do what I would like them to achieve.

 

[danlb_2000]

You're right. They already have much of the infrastructure there do it. It's still a long walk by foot and it's nice to have the boat option. They used to have trams make the trip. They can seal off the tram path from pedestrians and build a new sidewalk that is walled or fenced off from the former tram path. On that path, they could run an electric and automated variation of the tram that would stop at International Gateway, Disney Boardwalk, and DHS. This would probably be the least expensive way to do what I would like them to achieve.

I don't believe the tram ever went to DHS. It just connected the International Gateway with the Swan, Dolphin, Boardwalk and Yatch/Beach Club.

 

[PeterAlt]

Quite honestly, I could see self driving google cars working better than any other type of rail system. They have the flexibility and reliability of busses, one car going down would not shut down the entire system and you could use the existing roads with no or just minor changes.

I'm with you on that, but it would have to have its own grade separated pathway, blocked off to pedestrian and motor traffic.

 

[PeterAlt]

I don't believe the tram ever went to DHS. It just connected the International Gateway with the Swan, Dolphin, Boardwalk and Yatch/Beach Club.

Well, this would need to go there. They already have a tunnel so that pedestrians don't have to cross LBV drive. They can widen that tunnel and use it to complete the route.