Early 90's Light Rail/Trolley System Proposal for WDW

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
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I'm with you on that, but it would have to have its own grade separated pathway, blocked off to pedestrian and motor traffic.
Not if it works the way Google intends. In theory, the autonomous car couldcan drive on any street, in any condition in America. The only real infrastructure change that would be needed would be a dedicated a drop off and load lane at the parks and that is simply for efficiency. They could just as easily park in the parking lots, but that would require significantly more vehicles for it to work.
 

PeterAlt

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Not if it works the way Google intends. In theory, the autonomous car couldcan drive on any street, in any condition in America. The only real infrastructure change that would be needed would be a dedicated a drop off and load lane at the parks and that is simply for efficiency. They could just as easily park in the parking lots, but that would require significantly more vehicles for it to work.
It would still need to stop every time people walk in front of it or cars try to cross. That's almost all the time. So, a dedicated guideway is muy desirable.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
It would still need to stop every time people walk in front of it or cars try to cross. That's almost all the time. So, a dedicated guideway is muy desirable.
It would be desirable for any car/human interaction, autonomous or not. However, it would be no more necessary than it is under the current system of human controlled cars. Quite honestly, it is conceivable that it would be less necessary with an autonomous system.
 

PeterAlt

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It would be desirable for any car/human interaction, autonomous or not. However, it would be no more necessary than it is under the current system of human controlled cars. Quite honestly, it is conceivable that it would be less necessary with an autonomous system.
But a higher customer satisfaction and "magical"'experience guests expect from Disney with its own dedicated guideway. In addition, they can theme it and lace it with special effects. Synchronized neon lights, programable colored LEDs, fiber optics, and so on.
 

PeterAlt

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The problem is that in recent years the "bar" of what we expect from Disney has been lowered so much that you all have been conditioned to just accept it.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
The problem is that in recent years the "bar" of what we expect from Disney has been lowered so much that you all have been conditioned to just accept it.
Love the "you all" comment, particularly when some of us are the most adamant about the direction the parks have been going in....

But regardless, you little pet project here has been nothing but supposition and innuendo for quite some time. And whether you're willing to intellectually, emotionally or even rationally accept it, Disney has decided upon the direction of their transportation system into the near future.
 

PeterAlt

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Hardly. We just have to look elsewhere for light transit proposals.

BTW, Yoda knows what he's talking about when it comes to costs and engineering.
I believe you. It's just that I keep hearing the company line here as if it was being read from Disney's legal or PR departments. It's rare that I hear what individuals think in their own words. When I hear the company line being repeated over and over again, how am I honestly supposed to take that as someone's original thoughts? It's not them talking. It's something fed to them by the Disney Corporate Machine.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
I believe you. It's just that I keep hearing the company line here as if it was being read from Disney's legal or PR departments. It's rare that I hear what individuals think in their own words. When I hear the company line being repeated over and over again, how am I honestly supposed to take that as someone's original thoughts? It's not them talking. It's something fed to them by the Disney Corporate Machine.
No, far too often it's common sense and reality. I can understand your confusion though....
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
Hardly. We just have to look elsewhere for light transit proposals.

BTW, Yoda knows what he's talking about when it comes to costs and engineering.

It should be noted that Yoda should be lauded for this, since his ability to throw raw materials around using some mystical power that "binds us all" would make learning engineering and the like moot, however, he applies himself to the task despite this advantage! Kudos!
 
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Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I believe you. It's just that I keep hearing the company line here as if it was being read from Disney's legal or PR departments. It's rare that I hear what individuals think in their own words. When I hear the company line being repeated over and over again, how am I honestly supposed to take that as someone's original thoughts? It's not them talking. It's something fed to them by the Disney Corporate Machine.
You are mistaking "company line" with the reality of a for profit business. You are stuck under this delusion that WDW is some kind of utopia where profit and loss are irelevant. They are a business like any other. Their stockholders like money and management likes to keep them happy. You don't do that by spending billions on something that has little chance of even breaking even.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I believe you. It's just that I keep hearing the company line here as if it was being read from Disney's legal or PR departments. It's rare that I hear what individuals think in their own words.
Okay then. Yes they should build the three ready to go routes to DHS, Sports and LBV. Yes, LBV needs some sort of Peoplemover. DHS monorail should probably continue to DAK and not loop around the studios parking lot. Yes, the canal from CBR to Showcase should be built.

The resort have stated they know busses are a finite answer and mass transit needs addressing. They've said this since the late 90s. And yet they drop billions in digital infrastructure and wristbands instead.

Like that?
 

PeterAlt

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Most of us would. But don't have time to spend in the imagineering forum where this talk really belongs.
We're discussing a real project that the Walt Disney Development Co. had engineered that up until now "didn't exist" because anything previously discussed was just some meaningless proposal and lines on a map that meant didly squat (because they never were and never will be actual projects). Now, reality has shifted because someone found the paperwork proving that at least one of these "imaginary" projects real. That doesn't belong in Imagineering unless you want to discredit or minimize it?

We're discussing it because it is real. Something that should have been in the news a long time ago. We're discussing it because its story is incomplete. We don't know why it was cancelled. We don't know if there were other projects like this. We don't know if there was something that could have been done to save it. There's too many unknowns and many more questions. This is ongoing news. Not someone's creation for a make-believe ride through ice and snow on the backs of tauntauns on the planet Hoth!
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
It should be noted that Yoda should be lauded for this, since his ability to throw raw materials around using some mystical power that "binds us all" would make learning engineering and the like moot, however, he applies himself to the task despite this advantage! Kudos!
I stopped setting trusses using the force a few years ago when someone thought it would be funny to pop a paper bag behind my head when I had a 60x60 section floating about 30' in the air. The screams still keep me up at night.;)
 

PeterAlt

Well-Known Member
You are mistaking "company line" with the reality of a for profit business. You are stuck under this delusion that WDW is some kind of utopia where profit and loss are irelevant. They are a business like any other. Their stockholders like money and management likes to keep them happy. You don't do that by spending billions on something that has little chance of even breaking even.
Paul Pressler made the aw argent to Eisner and look where that got him and the parks are still paying the price for his/yours misguided philosophy.

Disney parks are a kind of utopia. Or at least they achieve the illusion that they are. That's why people are willing to shell out $100 a ticket for a day and prefer it over any other company's park (except Universal - which is becoming more "Disney" than Disney).
 

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