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Pioneer Hall

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In my personal opinion.. I doubt it.

Everyone are park commandos now.. people rarely use the resort recreation options anymore. It's the death spiral of the vacation resort into simply 'parks+food+sleeping'

I don't know about that. The pools, even this past week at a value, were plenty crowded. During the summer there are plenty of times that finding a pool chair can be a challenge (especially at the more popular pools like the Polynesian, BC, or BW).
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I don't know about that. The pools, even this past week at a value, were plenty crowded. During the summer there are plenty of times that finding a pool chair can be a challenge (especially at the more popular pools like the Polynesian, BC, or BW).

Pools are free... and generally dominated by the pull of the kids to go there.

How busy was the marina? The tennis courts? The spa? The golf courses? Ever seen the mini-golf courses actually BUSY?

The parks used to only be part of your stay at WDW... now people keep going until they basically pass out from the heat or exhaustion.
 

GLaDOS

Well-Known Member
Ever seen the mini-golf courses actually BUSY?


I have! I try to play a round every trip, and sometimes they are quite busy.

But even then, not as busy as they should be. I'd blame that on their terrible locations and lack of advertisement across property.

Honestly, that's why MOST of the "Vacation Kingdom of the World" stuff is either lightly used or ignored. Because Disney doesn't tell anyone about them. If the website wasn't a piece of junk and highlighted all those things, I think they'd see a lot more use.
 

Pioneer Hall

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Pools are free... and generally dominated by the pull of the kids to go there.

How busy was the marina? The tennis courts? The spa? The golf courses? Ever seen the mini-golf courses actually BUSY?

The parks used to only be part of your stay at WDW... now people keep going until they basically pass out from the heat or exhaustion.

Mini Golf courses do get busy, but usually at night. Even the other night I had to wait a few minutes at Fantasia Gardens before starting.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Mini Golf courses do get busy, but usually at night. Even the other night I had to wait a few minutes at Fantasia Gardens before starting.

I remember last Spring we were given a "tee time" (basically a 20-minute wait) to play at Fantasia Gardens. They can get busy....
 

Pioneer Hall

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I remember last Spring we were given a "tee time" (basically a 20-minute wait) to play at Fantasia Gardens. They can get busy....

It seems to get a lot worse there than at WinterSummerland because it only has one "fun" course. A lot more people prefer the Gardens over the Fairways so it creates a backup. At WS you can choose either course and it provides the same type of experience.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Mini Golf courses do get busy, but usually at night. Even the other night I had to wait a few minutes at Fantasia Gardens before starting.

Night after 2 of the parks had closed?

What about the other stuff? When was the last time you rented a boat at the marina? Or laid on a beach at the lagoon? or played tennis or shuffle board there?

How many people do you know pay for deluxe resorts and don't goto a park for the day?

This is why alt entertainment at Disney World is struggling so bad. People don't want to be at WDW and NOT in the parks anymore. Something that can only operate in the day, like Discovery Island, would never work anymore. The Water Parks are really IMO the last thing Disney really does BETTER than any of their competition, and even those you can't convince a lot of people to goto because they don't want to give up a park day. The Water Parks are busy, but they don't get to be on the main stage as a draw to WDW... because WDW has become all about the parks.
 

GLaDOS

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This is why alt entertainment at Disney World is struggling so bad. People don't want to be at WDW and NOT in the parks anymore. Something that can only operate in the day, like Discovery Island, would never work anymore. The Water Parks are really IMO the last thing Disney really does BETTER than any of their competition, and even those you can't convince a lot of people to goto because they don't want to give up a park day. The Water Parks are busy, but they don't get to be on the main stage as a draw to WDW... because WDW has become all about the parks.

I'll stick by my stance that if these things were advertised and shown off more, they'd be a lot more popular. I doubt most people realize they exist.
 

Pioneer Hall

Well-Known Member
Night after 2 of the parks had closed?

What about the other stuff? When was the last time you rented a boat at the marina? Or laid on a beach at the lagoon? or played tennis or shuffle board there?

How many people do you know pay for deluxe resorts and don't goto a park for the day?

This is why alt entertainment at Disney World is struggling so bad. People don't want to be at WDW and NOT in the parks anymore. Something that can only operate in the day, like Discovery Island, would never work anymore. The Water Parks are really IMO the last thing Disney really does BETTER than any of their competition, and even those you can't convince a lot of people to goto because they don't want to give up a park day. The Water Parks are busy, but they don't get to be on the main stage as a draw to WDW... because WDW has become all about the parks.

I rented a boat last summer with my family. I haven't played Tennis in Disney, but that is usually because it is too hot when my family has been there to go. Now that I am there more often it is a possibility if I have someone to play with of course. I also do take advantage of a number of other recreational options, as well as some of the other resort amenities that the DVC resorts offer. You got really defensive here, but I am not sure why. I never said that a lot of people aren't park commandos, but I don't think that they all are either. I think that part of the issue with some of the activities (like boat rentals) are their cost. If people already dropped a few hundred bucks for their family to get into the park that day, then their extra recreation is probably going to be of the free variety (pools and related activities). I haven't sat and surveyed my fellow guests at the resorts to see how many take days off while they are staying, but I am usually back at the resort in the middle of the afternoon and do see people sitting on the beaches and at the pools. They might not be paying extra for something but at least some of the people are taking some time to relax and not just going open to close.
 

Master Yoda

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I'll stick by my stance that if these things were advertised and shown off more, they'd be a lot more popular. I doubt most people realize they exist.
This is quite true. Had it not been for this site and simply driving by the courses I probably never would have know about them. We hit the frequently when we pop in for the day to watch fireworks, special events, etc. I do not see the average once every year or two guest using them much but they are great for the frequent visitor, long term guest or local.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I rented a boat last summer with my family. I haven't played Tennis in Disney, but that is usually because it is too hot when my family has been there to go. Now that I am there more often it is a possibility if I have someone to play with of course. I also do take advantage of a number of other recreational options, as well as some of the other resort amenities that the DVC resorts offer. You got really defensive here, but I am not sure why. I never said that a lot of people aren't park commandos, but I don't think that they all are either. I think that part of the issue with some of the activities (like boat rentals) are their cost. If people already dropped a few hundred bucks for their family to get into the park that day, then their extra recreation is probably going to be of the free variety (pools and related activities). I haven't sat and surveyed my fellow guests at the resorts to see how many take days off while they are staying, but I am usually back at the resort in the middle of the afternoon and do see people sitting on the beaches and at the pools. They might not be paying extra for something but at least some of the people are taking some time to relax and not just going open to close.

I'm not defensive - I'm asking for additional clarification. The golf being busy after several parks are closed for the night (and non-park hoppers have no where to go) is vastly different than people hitting the courses INSTEAD of the parks.. which was the vein of the discussion. The idea that WDW hand/is becoming 'parks, parks, parks' until we drop.

So you rented a boat last year.. and how often have you been at the park since then? The thing is these things are dropping off in popularity and usage.. and the mentality of the visitors is changing from a 'resort' to 'a theme park where we eat and sleep too'. This is a progression, not a on/off thing.

WDW in the eighties was not about being in the parks 12-18hrs a day. People relaxed, they did alt activities, they explored the various things the parks offered.

Just read various people's posts - you see the obsession with not missing any time in the parks - at the expense of all other activities and the idea of relaxing too.

Pay attention to how WDW is marketed.. in both print and TV. Check out the 'things to do' categories on the wdw website.. and then go back and look at how often you see those things listed in trip reports here, or people talking about them, etc.

Disney has fed it by building more theme parks.. society in large is trying to move faster and faster.. technology focus has made people more and more interested in that rather than simple pleasures.. etc. I'm not saying it's purely on Disney... but the way we as a society vacations is changing and Disney's model seems to exaggerate that. The WDW model of the 80s seems to be waning in favor of more and more theme park time.

Keep that in mind and read through people's TRs... and make your own call on what you see them doing.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I'll stick by my stance that if these things were advertised and shown off more, they'd be a lot more popular. I doubt most people realize they exist.

I think MYW pricing and vacation model has a bit to do with it as well. People are funneled into the train of thinking of 'you have 5 days of park ticket and 5 days of hotels' so people are predisposition-ed that 'I gotta spend 5 days in the parks.. I have tickets!!'

People don't want to 'waste' a day of tickets they have for the parks on something else. Sure they really can use the ticket for evening entertainment, etc... but this is more about the psychological impact and suggestive forces in play.

The tying of park tickets to room durations by default kind of stacks the deck against alt activities..
 

GLaDOS

Well-Known Member
I think MYW pricing and vacation model has a bit to do with it as well.

I'm sure it does. But if Disney showcased these things a bit more, I could see a good number of people taking a day to do all this stuff and reducing one day off their park tickets. Not a majority, but then again these smaller experiences were never set up for the number of people that visit the resort in this day.
 

Brian Noble

Well-Known Member
people rarely use the resort recreation options anymore.
I'm not so sure about that. I was at VWL for a week last week. There were plenty of people riding bikes (some personal, but some rented), and in the second half of the week, when the weather was very warm, there were plenty of boats out on Bay Lake.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
I'm not so sure about that. I was at VWL for a week last week. There were plenty of people riding bikes (some personal, but some rented), and in the second half of the week, when the weather was very warm, there were plenty of boats out on Bay Lake.

When we've stayed on-site there was always time spent at the resorts. We enjoyed the horseback riding at FW, the pools at both the WL and BC, and a spa day for my wife at the GF. I think many people take advantage of what their resorts have to offer at some point or another.....:shrug:
 

DisneyJoe

Well-Known Member
I'll stick by my stance that if these things were advertised and shown off more, they'd be a lot more popular. I doubt most people realize they exist.

If they took the time to read through their MYW vacation packets, they would see:

- marina discounts
- Sammy Duvall
- miniature golf discounts
- Bass fishing
- spa
- arcade
- children activity center
- planet hollywood

These vouchers are in each and every blue wdw vacation packet. Only room only reservations don't receive these.
 

MaryJaneP

Well-Known Member
IMHO the MYM length of stay ticket leaves visitors to resorts little option to do anything but be park commandos. They paid for it and damn it, they will use it until they drop. Squeeze every drop out of that ticket possible.

If Disney really understood and wanted to maximize their money, they'd understand that alt activities are more $ than the 5th or 6th day park ticket value. There has to be some way to add alt activity $ to a MYM just like they add "Hopper" and "Waterparks and More" options for additional $. They would have to drop the park day number or no-one will use it for alt activities when their ticket has a park day available.

Then guests would be USING the tickets they paid so dearly for to access alt activities. It may be just moving the cost to the ticket, but the psychological value of using a paid for ticket, rather than adding additional separate cost on site, may increase use. Maybe worth a trial run. Of course, maybe Disney wants alt activites to wither away.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
They used to have 'keys to the kingdom' programs.. where for a flat price you had everything paid for.. parks, food, AND recreation. Only thing not included was alcohol.
 

Pioneer Hall

Well-Known Member
They used to have 'keys to the kingdom' programs.. where for a flat price you had everything paid for.. parks, food, AND recreation. Only thing not included was alcohol.

There are still plans that do this sort of thing. However, they aren't really advertised because of the price they go for. There are people though that are on these sorts of plans.
 

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