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Drowning in pop century hotel.
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And they get a key fact completely wrong - "pools at Disney themed resorts do not have lifeguards". When in-fact Disney have one of the best, if not the best, lifeguard program in the world.
The Mighty Tim
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It's the Daily Mail - what do you expect?
Ember
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That was the first thing I thought of when I read about this, but all the news reports said he was surrounded by family and they didn't notice what happened so I thought there was no way they wouldn't see him diving head first into a shallow pool. But it stuck in my head because I know when I was young, probably about 14 (and not so wise in combination with feeling invincible), my friends and I used to dive into the shallow end in a way that our bellies would skim right across the bottom, but our heads didn't crush into the bottom. It's hard to explain. But anyway one of my friends didn't realize we had a technique on how we were doing it and simply dove headfirst into the pool and got knocked unconscious, broke her nose, it was bad. Luckily there were some older guys with us who were able to get her out and get her help. She was fine, but we weren't allowed to be unsupervised in the pool again until we were seniors in high school. It's really scary how fast these things happen. My thoughts are with him and his family and I hope he pulls through this.
RandomPrincess
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We used to play the same kind of games. I think it's common. You don't think of how dangerous it is when you are young.
luv
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My brother dove in and knocked his teeth out. Kids being kids, it turned into him having his jaw fall off, having been decapitated, lol. The whole neighborhood stopped trying to dive in the shallow end when the lifeguards weren't looking, lol. Even when everyone knew he was fine, they'd learned the lesson vicariously.
But he could have died. Could have snapped his neck. Anything. It happens just likethat.
Typical kid behavior.
But he could have died. Could have snapped his neck. Anything. It happens just likethat.
Typical kid behavior.
luv
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I caught that, too. And the pic they used shows not one, but two lifeguards at a pool with a handful of people in it.
...another one that calls Kramerica "a witness." I wish one of them would use the name "Kramerica."
Mrsdonaldduck
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Thank you for the update.... Praying for this boy and his family...
DrewmanS
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You can't have just one life guard. To properly staff a pool, you need multiple life guards who can constantly scan all areas of the pool and have additional guards available for breaks. You either fully staff the pool or have swim-at-your-own-risk. I am sure Disney has done extensive studies on average pool usage by day of year and time of day. They use this information to determine how many life guards they need and work schedules. But on any given day, the air temperature might be above average or a large group from a cold climate creates a situation where a large number of people are in the pool after life guard hours. So, Disney posts those hours in which the pool will be fully staffed. At most pools, you can swim after hours at your own risk.
When you're at POP there is conflicting info about when the pools are "open". The little folder you get when you check in lists open hours, but at night the sandwich boards by the pools just ask guests to keep the noise down (suggesting that it's OK to swim). Maybe it would be better to just list the lifeguard hours? Consistently in all places (printed hand outs, signs)?
Mickey2minnie1
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Keep us updated. The family is in my prayers.
The boy and his family are in my prayers.
I did that until one time I hit my chest on the bottom, it collapsed my lungs and I surfaced and for several seconds couldn't breath. I was standing next to my aunt, trying desperately to breath. She still remembers that, it was scary for both of us.
I did that until one time I hit my chest on the bottom, it collapsed my lungs and I surfaced and for several seconds couldn't breath. I was standing next to my aunt, trying desperately to breath. She still remembers that, it was scary for both of us.
R W B
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When I was about 6-7 yrs old my neighbors son who was in high school then dove head first into a pool and I believe broke his neck, all I remember is he had a "halo" screwed into his head and shoulders to keep everything straight. He was in that contraption for about 6 months. When your 6 yrs old, that thing looked very scary lol. Kept me from ever diving head first into a pool even til this day.
HatboxGhost
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Its sad when people go on vacation to have fun and it turns into this. Hope all goes well for the boy and he recovers 100%.
Gabe1
Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Ellis, the training system that Disney contracts with has a formula for type of pool and zones, maximum area of sight lines for guards, blind spots, like behind where a slide hits water, water features in pool, like an island along with the capacity of the pool, which also varies during the seasons as would the lifeguard count. Ellis is 20 minutes on one stand, rotate stands and totally off stands for 20 minutes after an hours, guards can have a 20 minute break, which is what my DD's pool does or they can be sent to tidy up a rest room, change garage liners, pick up water bottle, etc.
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Boy, ever feel like pieces of the puzzle are missing, that is where I am with...he dove, hit his head and nobody in pool noticed. Would make more sense with the serious to critical, being a brain injury over near drowning. Brain bleeds are real touch and go, often they induce coma's too. And so true, my competition swimmers were taught sternly never to dive down, you push off and lunge forward.
It has been many years since we did late night pool dips, now it is generally a quick dip in the hot tub, but the main pool use to close at midnight or 1am depending on season and then the quiet pools were open all night at your own risk always. This was at Dixie/POR. We always dipped in the pool with the kids late at night 'cause they could melt the days slime away and then shower in morning. I highly doubt this will change the protocol of swimming at Disney at night or early morning. A few years back a man passed in the pool at Boardwalk.
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Gabe1
Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
I know at POR the pool was always marked with the hours the pool was guarded.
Take a look at POR, if you zoom you can see notice on guard stand that no life guard is on duty, and pool clearly marked no diving.
http://www.portorleans.org/ol-man-island.php
PhotoDave219
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Its the fog of breaking news. Trying to report on these things that happen in places where the news isnt welcome means you're stuck relying on background sources as well as whatever eyewitnesses are willing to talk about it.
That being said, it is generally best for the big company to get the story out at the beginning and get in front of it to keep the speculation to a minimum. (IMO)
Thoughts and prayers to the family.
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