Dreams Come Alive and MSEP rebuild

[Genie of the Lamp]

Here's how I see this being played out based on what's given:
2013- Wishes and CADCT remain; MJaJuP is no more by the end of October
2014- FOF debutes in Spring (anywhere from mid march-mid june) then effective immediately (once FOF debutes) MSEP/DEP goes down for 6 months. In that 6 months, FOF performs twice a day at let's say 12:00pm and 4:30pm or something; in essence you have the first performance in the late morning/early afternoon and you would have the second performance in the late afternoon/early evening.
2015-MSEP/DEP comes back out of refurb/rebuild and you have FOF as the MK day parade and DEP as the nighttime parade
2016- New pyro fireworks show comes out by holiday season

 

[articos]

So there will be no night parade for 6 months at all?

Here's how I see this being played out based on what's given:
2013- Wishes and CADCT remain; MJaJuP is no more by the end of October
2014- FOF debutes in Spring (anywhere from mid march-mid june) then effective immediately (once FOF debutes) MSEP/DEP goes down for 6 months. In that 6 months, FOF performs twice a day at let's say 12:00pm and 4:30pm or something; in essence you have the first performance in the late morning/early afternoon and you would have the second performance in the late afternoon/early evening.
2015-MSEP/DEP comes back out of refurb/rebuild and you have FOF as the MK day parade and DEP as the nighttime parade
2016- New pyro fireworks show comes out by holiday season

To clarify, I don't know the specific schedule for this rebuild yet. I was just specifying that it will not be a multi-year downtime for MSEP. Going off the work that needs to be done and the scope that's been approved, it should be a downtime of up to 6 months, but may not be that long. Don't know yet, and I don't know that on-site management knows yet, either. Lot of variables in play with decisions like this. Don't quote me as it's doing down for 6 months yet.

Yes, FoF is currently planned to take up the slack, running 2-3x a day.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Yes, FoF is currently planned to take up the slack, running 2-3x a day.

Will those floats have nighttime lighting like Mickey's Soundsational Parade?

 

[articos]

Will those floats have nighttime lighting like Mickey's Soundsational Parade?

Don't know details, but I'd say if it's going to run after dark, it will have onboard lighting. This parade was not designed as a nighttime parade, since Spectro was planned to come back while this was on the boards. However, if it does run at night, it will need lighting, so it's a safe assumption that it will get lit. How detailed is tbd, but my off-the-cuff opinion is MSP is a good example to go off of.

 

[George]

USED to.

Grrr...

Martin, this got me to thinking and I'll just ask since you know...is the walkway narrow at its narrowest point now that traditional WDW style floats would be problematic? That would be sad. I was also thinking that a water component to the parade on WS lagoon or a separate thing during the day or night would be cool. There are still plenty of good sightlines until every country has their own waterside restaurant, bistro, and haberdashery.

 

[marni1971]

Martin, this got me to thinking and I'll just ask since you know...is the walkway narrow at its narrowest point now that traditional WDW style floats would be problematic? That would be sad. I was also thinking that a water component to the parade on WS lagoon or a separate thing during the day or night would be cool. There are still plenty of good sightlines until every country has their own waterside restaurant, bistro, and haberdashery.

I dare say it is. The biggest comparison for an Epcot parade would be ToN, but with all the clutter of the stalls around the promenade now even if the parade could physically get through there would be far too many areas of limited or no viewing. Let alone should they try to run past Mexico to the plaza, as the parks parade route was originally intended. The San Angel rebuild really messed up that corner.

And as for maintaining any resemblance of through passage around the lagoon for those not watching.... Forget it.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I dare say it is. The biggest comparison for an Epcot parade would be ToN, but with all the clutter of the stalls around the promenade now even if the parade could physically get through there would be far too many areas of limited or no viewing. Let alone should they try to run past Mexico to the plaza, as the parks parade route was originally intended. The San Angel rebuild really messed up that corner.

And as for maintaining any resemblance of through passage around the lagoon for those not watching.... Forget it.

They're such idiots. Or, rather,- since they're not stupid: rampaging Philistines. Interested only in a quick buck. They took something that was unique among global themed environments and turned it into something you can see along any rundown seashore resort both sides of the Atlantic.

Drunkards stuffing themselves silly with roadside food stall offerings. Bah. Barbarians, the lot of them, both the guests and the management.

 

[steve2wdw]

Back when there was more room to "spread out" before the clutter of stalls, I remember visiting during the Millennium Celebration and having to make it to Alfredo's of Rome while a performance of Tapestry was going on. It was next to impossible to go anywhere through the World Showcase during that time, as we planned to be in Italy 15 minutes early and ended up being 15 minutes late. Even with the original width of the promenade, the route was tight when factoring in traffic movement along side the route.

 

[willtravel]

So, TDO is going to spend a lot of money building or updating three different entertainment options at MK. Meanwhile, they are removing the major daytime options at both DHS and DAK. Seems a very odd distribution of resources, especially with MK being the attendance leader and having the most stuff to do already.

I'd certainly rather they keep Wishes and spend any development money on a new parade for DAK.

I kinda agree with you. I am going to WDW next week and was looking at the entertainment for AK and DHS and it was kinda disappointing.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

...I have a little faith (left) that Disney will come up with some awesome, creative way of keeping the garland, but raising it/lowering it before and after parades. I dont think it would really be that difficult.

Anyhow, try to be optomistic about this, guys. Maybe we'll get a bigger, better garland display. Or, entirely new decor that'll blow our minds.

I dunno. Kind of tired of all the negativity lately...

 

[wdw71fan]

I dunno. Kind of tired of all the negativity lately...

This place is really good and clapping softly for great accomplishments, and kicking the company when it's down on less than perfect decisions.

 

[eblaz37]

I agree... I think it's safe to say Wishes has lived a full life. Why prolong three and half more years?
Don't get me wrong, I do love Wishes, but I would not hate something new.

 

[emcclay]

Last night I watched both the 9pm and 11pm showings of MSEP. There was only one of those spinning creatures out. Gave the parade a very 'spread out' feeling with the lack of filler going by.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

To reiterate, Wishes is around for the near future. A new show is planned. Though Not yet. And I'd be surprised if it didn't include use of the projection system and other additional tech.

A Dreams type show was proposed a few years back for the MK and the hub. This would have meant reduced high level pyro for reasons I won't go into. Whilst this limit is still a possibility, hopefully TDO and Holmes towers realise what that would mean. It's not as if they haven't been told.

The MSEP / DEP rebuild will focus on the physical float frames and drives. They aren't exactly in tip top condition. Any additions would be welcome of course, but don't hold your breath. If anything were to happen I'd look for plussing as opposed to radical changes both in audio and visuals. But I have been wrong before.

Any talk of adding a handful of WoC fountains in the moat around the lake (and hub for that matter!!) with this new fireworks show like the Shangai castle is reported to be getting?

The visuals of some brightly colored fountains surrounding the castle and hub added in with the castle projectors and "Believe" style fireworks would probably make me drool.

 

[midwest_mice]

Any talk of adding a handful of WoC fountains in the moat around the lake (and hub for that matter!!) with this new fireworks show like the Shangai castle is reported to be getting?

The visuals of some brightly colored fountains surrounding the castle and hub added in with the castle projectors and "Believe" style fireworks would probably make me drool.

That would be pretty neat to have fountains in the moat. If they added them all around it, the center of the hub would give you a 360 degree show. Not sure if they still do it, but while at Disneyland back a few years, they used to fire off fireworks from the rooftops of the buildings on Main St. That would be a neat effect at MK too.

 

[marni1971]

That would be pretty neat to have fountains in the moat. If they added them all around it, the center of the hub would give you a 360 degree show. Not sure if they still do it, but while at Disneyland back a few years, they used to fire off fireworks from the rooftops of the buildings on Main St. That would be a neat effect at MK too.

That (fountains) were included in the proposals for a Dreams TYPE show at the MK. I'd be surprised if it never happens than did.

The 360 pyro for Disneylands Remember was from when the show debued. The regular show when played nowerdays no longer includes the effect.

 

[Skyway]

That would be pretty neat to have fountains in the moat. If they added them all around it, the center of the hub would give you a 360 degree show.

The challenge I see with that (and I'm not sure how they do it at DLP) are the obstacles and congestion around MK's hub. There are so few places I can think of that would give you a good view of the castle, the moats, and the sky altogether. Unless you were standing in a rare "perfect spot", the sky might be blocked by trees, the castle blocked by a popcorn cart, or a moat awkwardly alongside or behind you.

Surely adding more elements to the fireworks show at the castle would require cutting down more trees, which some people already oppose for Wishes viewing.

It would also make the hub even more crowded. At least now Disney tries to encourage fireworks viewing in other lands. Unlike Disneyland, where they can stage similar effects at IASW, there are few places at MK to create a desirable alternative to hub viewing.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

Last night I watched both the 9pm and 11pm showings of MSEP. There was only one of those spinning creatures out. Gave the parade a very 'spread out' feeling with the lack of filler going by.

Yeah I caught the 11:00 show....it was nice, despite one spinning snail and apparently one girls dress from the Cinderella promenade s dress was malfunctioning and ducked out right near me with her partner.

I'm at the poly right now watching a baby bunny eat clover outside my room.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

Sorry that didn't make much sense, totally distracted and on iPad which is enjoying word switching on me

 

[luv]

I need everyone to yell at me and tell me how dumb I am again, please...

Still worried that the addition of CTM means it will be combined with a lackluster fireworks show...and downgrade the whole experience! Still can't believe Disney would simply add something good and think they're planning to cutback. This new fireworks show has me worrying more. Please tell me how wrong I am again. Needing to hear it!

If they're going to "rebuild" a parade, it ought to be Spectro. It was better.

SO in agreement with whoever made the comment about the WS walkway (Martin, I think)!!!!! I've never been more ticked with or disappointed in Disney than I am about Mexico and Morocco and what they're doing to the WS by cluttering it up and ruining the views.

That's my $.02