Figment632
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Thats the only thing I can think of. If you look there could be a small connection near SFR but you can'y get close enough really. But there is also no connections on the other sides.
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Draining the Moat
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Thats the only thing I can think of. If you look there could be a small connection near SFR but you can'y get close enough really. But there is also no connections on the other sides.
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Thanks SirGoofy and Lee!:wave:
According to http://www.wdwhistory.com/wiki/Swan_Boats
"The boats were stored and serviced opposite the Jungle Cruise boat's since both canals use the same water."
"The boats were stored and serviced opposite the Jungle Cruise boat's since both canals use the same water."
Lee
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SirGoofy
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I'll bet it is. How nice of Disney.It's literally just an overhang.
Our break room is even better.:lol:
SirGoofy
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Actually they gave us another, real one recently.
It even has air conditioning!:lol:
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:lol: Good!
If I may...
Back in the day, the hub canal / castle moat, adventureland canal, the moat that circles the treehouse, and the Jungle Cruise were indeed all joined. There was a movable footbridge/dam across this spur to the JC. It was right next to the west end of the unload dock.
The only part of the waterway which was dammable was underneath the Tomorrowland bridge, to allow the pylons and sloping walls of the Tomorrowland entrance to be serviced. This is why the island under the Tland hub bridge is a strange shape; it would be blocked at either end to drain and access the Tland details and still allow Swan Boats to circle the hub.
1971; The Swiss Family Treehouse is centre screen, with Adland at the bottom:
Back in the day, the hub canal / castle moat, adventureland canal, the moat that circles the treehouse, and the Jungle Cruise were indeed all joined. There was a movable footbridge/dam across this spur to the JC. It was right next to the west end of the unload dock.
The only part of the waterway which was dammable was underneath the Tomorrowland bridge, to allow the pylons and sloping walls of the Tomorrowland entrance to be serviced. This is why the island under the Tland hub bridge is a strange shape; it would be blocked at either end to drain and access the Tland details and still allow Swan Boats to circle the hub.
1971; The Swiss Family Treehouse is centre screen, with Adland at the bottom:
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Tom
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Missed it by that much.
I was also wondering how they would drain just the moat and not the rest of the MK waterways. There's obviously a dam somewhere.
On one of the few times I took the KttK tour (yeah, I know, reliable source), we were riding JC and the guide explained that (I think) Inspiration Falls actually supplied the brown coloring for the MK waterways (including JC and castle moat, and perhaps Rivers of America) so as to help hide the tracks.
Then again, isn't Rivers of America connected to 7 Seas Lagoon via the backstage west canal?
Argh, I'm really confused now. I'll wait for someone smarter to explain all of this, and hopefully provide photos of where the castle moat stops and rest of the water begins.
Lee
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May I assume by your use of the past tense that they are currently not all connected?
EPCOT Explorer
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LOVE threads like these! Historical and technical. 
Thanks, guys.
Thanks, guys.
Rob562
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Thanks, Martin. I knew I wasn't going crazy reading that about all of those waterways being connected... Any idea when they permanently separated the two waterways? (Or perhaps they're still connected, but they're using that dam? I've never actually noticed it, but you can bet I'll look for it on my next trip) 
And Edward, you're right that the Rivers of America are connected to the Seven Seas Lagoon via the canal to the west of the park. There's a lock that keeps the Rivers a few feet higher than the Lagoon. The Rivers may just use water out of the lagoon.
As for the Disneyland "dark water" system that was referred to earlier, I know (thanks to The E-Ticket magazine, which I'll have to drag out at some point to double-check this, but not tonight) originally almost all of the waterways in Disneyland were connected as part of one very large system.
The lowest point in the system was the Rivers of America, and the highest point was somewhere in Fantasyland. (I'm presuming it was for the Storybookland canals and perhaps the Phantom Boats)
Water would flow from Fantasyland, past the Castle the Hub, down a stream from the Hub to the Jungle Cruise, down past the Treehouse, and then to the RoA. I know that some part ot eh water system between the Jungle Cruise and the Rivers it went through an underground pipe.
The genius of this system was that the entire waterway system used only one pump (or set of pumps) in one location to pump water from a low point to a high point. From there, gravity did everything else.
Over the years, things may have gotten segmented up into smaller systems, with the large-scale additions like New Orleans Square and the Indiana Jones entrance.
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And Edward, you're right that the Rivers of America are connected to the Seven Seas Lagoon via the canal to the west of the park. There's a lock that keeps the Rivers a few feet higher than the Lagoon. The Rivers may just use water out of the lagoon.
As for the Disneyland "dark water" system that was referred to earlier, I know (thanks to The E-Ticket magazine, which I'll have to drag out at some point to double-check this, but not tonight) originally almost all of the waterways in Disneyland were connected as part of one very large system.
The lowest point in the system was the Rivers of America, and the highest point was somewhere in Fantasyland. (I'm presuming it was for the Storybookland canals and perhaps the Phantom Boats)
Water would flow from Fantasyland, past the Castle the Hub, down a stream from the Hub to the Jungle Cruise, down past the Treehouse, and then to the RoA. I know that some part ot eh water system between the Jungle Cruise and the Rivers it went through an underground pipe.
The genius of this system was that the entire waterway system used only one pump (or set of pumps) in one location to pump water from a low point to a high point. From there, gravity did everything else.
Over the years, things may have gotten segmented up into smaller systems, with the large-scale additions like New Orleans Square and the Indiana Jones entrance.
-Rob
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I remember reading something about the water system in "it's a small world" somehow being linked to the Water System that used to be in 20K Leagues Under the Sea. I don't know if it's true, but if I recall they were both drained around the same time, during the major "it's a small world" refurbishment.
Tom
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They may have shared a main pump or drain line, but they were pretty far apart to have actually shared a water source. At least a few hundred feet between the actual water in 20k and IASW.
But maybe they were linked via piping so that they shared one filter (since the water in both is actually clear, and not brown like the rest of the park).
Figment632
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Great stuff as usual Martin!
Here is a question, did the new bridge they installed a few years ago 100% kill the Swan boats ever coming back?
Tom
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I think the loud engine noise, exhaust, and lack of guidance track killed them ever coming back.