Downtown Disney Reopens July 9th - Tracking The Changes & Closures

mickEblu

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How come?

Sounds like they re getting rid of all Splash Mountain merchandise. There is not one Splash Mountain item on Shop Disney and another poster above commented that merch is being removed at WDW. So it would follow suit that they might not even open the ride. I figured they weren’t going to give it a big send off with going away merchandise (as that would be highly hypocritical) but didn’t think they would remove all of the existing merch and possibly not open the ride when the park reopens.
 

Curious Constance

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Sounds like they re getting rid of all Splash Mountain merchandise. There is not one Splash Mountain item on Shop Disney and another poster above commented that merch is being removed at WDW. So it would follow suit that they might not even open the ride. I figured they weren’t going to give it a big send off with going away merchandise (as that would be highly hypocritical) but didn’t think they would remove all of the existing merch and possibly not open the ride when the park reopens.
I had checked the Disney Store online after the announcement and didn’t find anything, but I wasn’t sure if they ever had anything on the website or not. I guess since they originally said it would be returning when the parks reopen, I thought they would be allowing the merchandise to be sold until it was gone. 😕

That makes my heart sad to think me and the kids probably won’t get one more ride.
 

mickEblu

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I had checked the Disney Store online after the announcement and didn’t find anything, but I wasn’t sure if they ever had anything on the website or not. I guess since they originally said it would be returning when the parks reopen, I thought they would be allowing the merchandise to be sold until it was gone. 😕

That makes my heart sad to think me and the kids probably won’t get one more ride.

I believe they always had a few times but never much. Wait, did they announce the parks would be opening with Splash Mountain? I either missed that or forgot.
 

Curious Constance

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I believe they always had a few times but never much. Wait, did they announce the parks would be opening with Splash Mountain? I either missed that or forgot.
I’m fairly certain that was in the original parks blog announcement, but if it was it’s been edited out. But at the very least it was said in an interview from someone working on the project. But his comment was “for now” it’s supposed to reopen when the parks reopen, leaving room for change. At this point , I’m not holding my breath for it to reopen.
 

Askimosita

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In the Parks
Yes
The splash mountain merch sold out both online and in store. So maybe that is why they aren’t listed anymore?

Also, a few youtubers and my sister (CM at WDW) saw them ride testing splash in WDW from the contemporary resort. Pretty sure they are going to open the ride. Annnnnnd with all the budget cuts, they are probably going to finish out a lot of the projects they have already started; I mean, they are still opening with Spaceship Earth in Epcot, which was formally announced at D23 and was supposed to close down for an extensive 1-2 year refurb during the closure.

I think they just wanted to throw out the announcement that they were working on it because of the social commentary and petitions, and EVENTUALLY, it would close and get overhauled.
 

Curious Constance

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The splash mountain merch sold out both online and in store. So maybe that is why they aren’t listed anymore?

Also, a few youtubers and my sister (CM at WDW) saw them ride testing splash in WDW from the contemporary resort. Pretty sure they are going to open the ride. Annnnnnd with all the budget cuts, they are probably going to finish out a lot of the projects they have already started; I mean, they are still opening with Spaceship Earth in Epcot, which was formally announced at D23 and was supposed to close down for an extensive 1-2 year refurb during the closure.

I think they just wanted to throw out the announcement that they were working on it because of the social commentary and petitions, and EVENTUALLY, it would close and get overhauled.

I hope this is true. I sort of fear that they will open in WDW, but not at the DLR. But I'm really hoping this isn't the case. They are going to have their hands full trying to maintain as many of the APs as they can with all the drastic changes happening with Covid, I think it would be a bad idea to add this to the mix.
 

mickEblu

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The splash mountain merch sold out both online and in store. So maybe that is why they aren’t listed anymore?

Also, a few youtubers and my sister (CM at WDW) saw them ride testing splash in WDW from the contemporary resort. Pretty sure they are going to open the ride. Annnnnnd with all the budget cuts, they are probably going to finish out a lot of the projects they have already started; I mean, they are still opening with Spaceship Earth in Epcot, which was formally announced at D23 and was supposed to close down for an extensive 1-2 year refurb during the closure.

I think they just wanted to throw out the announcement that they were working on it because of the social commentary and petitions, and EVENTUALLY, it would close and get overhauled.


Good point. I didn’t consider that they might just be sold out.

Seeee everyone. New members can be good.
 

mickEblu

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Bought this frame like 7 years ago but never put a picture in it. Hoping to get one last ride with my son screaming in Terror to put in there. The scariest thing I’ve had the heart to put him on so far was BTMRR.
 

Curious Constance

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Bought this frame like 7 years ago but never put a picture in it. Hoping to get one last ride with my son screaming in Terror to put in there. The scariest thing I’ve had the heart to put him on so far was BTMRR.

LOL does he get really scared? Poor little guy. My son would never admit to being afraid on anything, even though all of his ride pictures when he was younger literally looked like he was face to face with a serial killer ghost.
 

Curious Constance

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Lol it’s ok he likes older women.

Don't they all? Bunch of little pervs! When my son was still in DIAPERS, barely talking, he loved the Boom Boom Pow song, he used to stand up on the coffee table and twerk to that song, and whenever Fergie would come on the screen he'd jump down and put his face two inches from the screen and just STARE the entire time she was on. 🤨
 

mickEblu

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LOL does he get really scared? Poor little guy. My son would never admit to being afraid on anything, even though all of his ride pictures when he was younger literally looked like he was face to face with a serial killer ghost.

Actually he didn’t scream on BTMRR at all. He just kind of put his head down from time and was really tense. BUT ... a huge 40 foot drop I’m expecting to see a terrified face.

LOL. I can relate to your son. I was a late bloomer myself. I don’t think I had the guts to ride Splash Mountain until I was like 11 years old. Shoot- that’s like 4 more years of Splash Mountain I could have hand, in its prime too with functioning animatronics.
 

TP2000

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I was at two social events in the last 48 hours, and one of the events had a very interesting conversation that I mentioned over in the Splash Mountain thread. But another party had a conversation with two very knowledgeable persons about Downtown Disney, OC's commercial real estate market, and the state of the Anaheim Resort District.

Like I surmised, TDA is bracing for some Downtown Disney tenants to not survive the current situation, especially if the Disneyland closure has to be extended through August. Most of those establishments have large enough corporate offices that they applied for and received PPP loans through the federal government back in April, and they are keeping a core group of employees paid with that money for now. But the PPP loan for payroll dries up by the end of August, and expenses not covered by the PPP loan are mounting and stacking up for all the tenants.

Particularly with the long term tenants, they are extremely nervous about the mid-term prospects for Disneyland attendance. The parks will be dealing with daily crowds a fraction of their usual size, the Anaheim Convention Center is closed through the end of the year now apparently, and hotel occupancy rates throughout the Anaheim Resort District are going to be way below historical norms. In short, the entire Anaheim Resort District is over-built with restaurants and hotel rooms for at least the next six months, even if Disneyland got approval to reopen July 17th which they didn't. TDA is trying to calm the tenants by attempting a big marketing push for locals for late this summer and fall, but the tenants are not convinced that's going to be enough. There have been some very heated conversations lately as Disney tries to manage expectations with the long term tenants (Patina Group, Brennan's & Lego were mentioned specifically).

Downtown Disney in its currently shrunken footprint east of the Lego Store will survive, it will reopen, and most of its tenants will cling to life in one form or another. Although TDA is realizing that at least a few locations may not make it to September/October timeframe. Apparently the minor attempt to repopulate the abandoned west end of the mall was shelved, along with nearly every other Disney project in North America. It should be interesting to watch to see who makes it and who doesn't at Downtown Disney over the next six months.

The same conversation dealt with GardenWalk, and that is just a disaster for everyone. JW Marriott has no known opening date, even though the Bonvoy.com site will let you book a room there starting in mid July when Disneyland was going to reopen. GardenWalk is on much shakier footing than Downtown Disney obviously, and will be troubled for the next several years. Expect another foreclosure auction on the property by 2021.

It should also be noted that this basic concept of economic destruction and financial despair is not exclusive to the Anaheim Resort District. Every other Class A dining/retail development in OC is hurting very badly; Pacific City, Fashion Island, South Coast Plaza, Irvine Spectrum are all in very dire straits and are now beginning to lose tenants at an increasing clip.

At some point it all stabilizes and regains financial footing, because OC is still an affluent county with 3.2 Million people who need to dine out somewhere at sometime. But the Anaheim Resort District and its two major malls are bearing the brunt of problems because they were so dependent on the tourist industry. And the tourism industry in Anaheim has at least a five month long full closure (March 14th to mid August?), followed by a reopening that will attract only 25% to 30% of its previous customer load when it does finally reopen. That just doesn't pencil out, even for the big boys.
 
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Figments Friend

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With things so dire in the Resort area , you would think the non-Disney owned hotels would be dropping their prices to try to attract potential travelers like moi.
I'm still interested in coming back to Anaheim for more adventures, apocolypse or not, this Autumn if things pan out.

I've been browsing on and off for the last couple of months and everything is still the typical rates.
And I'm looking at off-season too...but nothing has changed price wise.

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Curious Constance

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With things so dire in the Resort area , you would think the non-Disney owned hotels would be dropping their prices to try to attract potential travelers like moi.
I'm still interested in coming back to Anaheim for more adventures, apocolypse or not, this Autumn if things pan out.

I've been browsing on and off for the last couple of months and everything is still the typical rates.
And I'm looking at off-season too...but nothing has changed price wise.

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I don’t know what you typically pay for a hotel room, but for us we stay as close as we can across the street on Harbor. I booked a hotel in January for about $1470 for a week. It wasn’t our normal fave, Park Vue Inn, because they were almost $1900 for the same week, and that’s too much for what you get. So anyway, the hotel we booked for $1470 kept slowly coming down and I rebooked it a month or so ago for $768! For the whole week! But, once Disney announced their reopening plan of July 17th, it instantly shot back up, I looked earlier today out of curiosity since the opening has been delayed and it’s about $1000 for a week now in August. Might keep coming down though as the reopening becomes more and more delayed.
 

Th3 DUd3

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I was at two social events in the last 48 hours, and one of the events had a very interesting conversation that I mentioned over in the Splash Mountain thread. But another party had a conversation with two very knowledgeable persons about Downtown Disney, OC's commercial real estate market, and the state of the Anaheim Resort District.

Like I surmised, TDA is bracing for some Downtown Disney tenants to not survive the current situation, especially if the Disneyland closure has to be extended through August. Most of those establishments have large enough corporate offices that they applied for and received PPP loans through the federal government back in April, and they are keeping a core group of employees paid with that money for now. But the PPP loan for payroll dries up by the end of August, and expenses not covered by the PPP loan are mounting and stacking up for all the tenants.

Particularly with the long term tenants, they are extremely nervous about the mid-term prospects for Disneyland attendance. The parks will be dealing with daily crowds a fraction of their usual size, the Anaheim Convention Center is closed through the end of the year now apparently, and hotel occupancy rates throughout the Anaheim Resort District are going to be way below historical norms. In short, the entire Anaheim Resort District is over-built with restaurants and hotel rooms for at least the next six months, even if Disneyland got approval to reopen July 17th which they didn't. TDA is trying to calm the tenants by attempting a big marketing push for locals for late this summer and fall, but the tenants are not convinced that's going to be enough. There have been some very heated conversations lately as Disney tries to manage expectations with the long term tenants (Patina Group, Brennan's & Lego were mentioned specifically).

Downtown Disney in its currently shrunken footprint east of the Lego Store will survive, it will reopen, and most of its tenants will cling to life in one form or another. Although TDA is realizing that at least a few locations may not make it to September/October timeframe. Apparently the minor attempt to repopulate the abandoned west end of the mall was shelved, along with nearly every other Disney project in North America. It should be interesting to watch to see who makes it and who doesn't at Downtown Disney over the next six months.

The same conversation dealt with GardenWalk, and that is just a disaster for everyone. JW Marriott has no known opening date, even though the Bonvoy.com site will let you book a room there starting in mid July when Disneyland was going to reopen. GardenWalk is on much shakier footing than Downtown Disney obviously, and will be troubled for the next several years. Expect another foreclosure auction on the property by 2021.

It should also be noted that this basic concept of economic destruction and financial despair is not exclusive to the Anaheim Resort District. Every other Class A dining/retail development in OC is hurting very badly; Pacific City, Fashion Island, South Coast Plaza, Irvine Spectrum are all in very dire straits and are now beginning to lose tenants at an increasing clip.

At some point it all stabilizes and regains financial footing, because OC is still an affluent county with 3.2 Million people who need to dine out somewhere at sometime. But the Anaheim Resort District and its two major malls are bearing the brunt of problems because they were so dependent on the tourist industry. And the tourism industry in Anaheim has at least a five month long full closure (March 14th to mid August?), followed by a reopening that will attract only 25% to 30% of its previous customer load when it does finally reopen. That just doesn't pencil out, even for the big boys.
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