Tony Perkis
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Because the people that are involved in the creative process of the new film will know that’s dumb.
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Hotamber
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Movies recycle themselves and influence other movies all the time, watch the Searchers or notice the MCU one liners in the Last Jedi. The main goal of an expensive film is to make money fast and usually that means copying or including popular trends. Solo felt too much like GOT for me. All I keep hearing is that they have the writers from GOT for the new trilogy. I was only saying that Endame set a trend that is easy to follow.
I'm pretty sure that people in the creative process know some film history and notice what breaks box office records. Solo being greenlit proves my point they don't know what's dumb. Sadly I don't think they know what a Star Wars film is anymore and will try to make it like GOT or a MCU film
Tick Tock
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Sirwalterraleigh
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I agree...the decline in Star Wars is a composite of several reasons...but to say “we can’t be fully sure last Johnson was a cause of solo” does not seem to for the facts or impressions at hand.
It’s hard to make a case against it.
As far as why the farce awakens made what it did...it was an event movie...a lot was the hype/angst pent up from 1999 that became trendy for its run. But longterm - the minute the Luke clone character of Rey and “starkiller bass” appeared....the minute the longterm resonance of it was basically shot. It’s not really a memorable movie at all.
The other big mistake they did - other than Johnson and his emo angst story out in left field - was alternating “trilogy” movies and stand offs.
I get why they did it...but I think the approach turned out to be dead wrong.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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It had a big, bloated Star Wars opening and then tanked.
To debate this is silly. Far less legs than the Phantom Movie.
erasure fan1
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This is something that I have wondered about since they announced Rouge one. I hate to bring up marvel again but I think that changed the game on this. People would go to a marvel movie, even if it wasn't of total interest to them, because they knew it was leading to something bigger. I can't tell you how many people said, where was Kylo and Rey, in Rouge one. So when Solo came along, people realized it just didn't matter. So it became, if I see it, whatever, I can just rent it. I think people just expect that things tie together if you release movies that close together. Its funny because just about every studio has been trying to copy the MCU formula but lucasfilm.
Mike S
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The sequel trilogy was billed as the end of the Skywalker Saga. It’s just one extra movie over what Marvel did.
erasure fan1
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I watched that last night, it's a really good idea. It really shows the vader we see in Rouge one, very cool.
Tony Perkis
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Lucasfilm has done a very poor job advertising that to the general audience.
Mike S
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Yup. Among other mistakes.
Tony Perkis
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You are suggesting time travel for IX because it’s popular after the success of Endgame.
Throwing out the fact that IX already had a script and finished principal photography by the time Endgame was released, franchises don’t just throw in gimmicks because it was used in an unrelated series.
Bad filmmakers steal ideas to create stories for the sole purpose of money. Good filmmakers write stories that are consistent with the characters and universes already established.
Mike S
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Yup and that’s how some people feel about TLJ. A lot of it feels inconsistent with the OT and some of it even with TFA. If Luke gave up and just wanted to die, why did he leave a map of how to find him? Just one example. The whole of TFA really hyped up his return actually and people expected a payoff.
Tony Perkis
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But there’s nothing in TLJ that is inconsistent with the rules established in any SW film. Introducing time travel to a series that has never questioned the idea of time and relative time, let alone traveling to the past, is a logic inconsistency.
Doesn’t feel like Star Wars isn’t an inconsistency. That’s just, like, your opinion, man.
Regarding the map detail, I 100% believe that was simply a gimmick by Abrams and Lawrence.
Mike S
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Becoming a Jedi always used to require discipline and training too. That’s the really big one.
Tony Perkis
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That hasn’t mattered very much though. It was important in the prequel trilogy, but not really in the OT. In ESB, we don’t have a grasp of how much time has passed over the course of the film, so we don’t know if Luke’s training was 3 months or 2 days. I don’t see how TLJ abandons that thought process.
If anything, TFA does, but that moment in the snow fight was so good that the point is moot to me.
Tony Perkis
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And the things we are discussing are ideas that don’t fundamentally break the rules established in the films’ universe. If we are able to have a discussion of why something works or doesn’t work in a film, then we would have to conclude that logic in the film can be believed to be valid. Whether we like whatever is onscreen is a moot point.
Let’s say, for example, Engame completely botched the time travel aspect of the film. Most people disliked it, and it seemed like a get out of jail free card for the characters. We can say it sucked, but it didn’t break the rules of that franchise because the idea of space and time relativity were previously established in the Ant-Man films.
However, if Star Wars uses time travel in IX (they won’t, but for the sake of discussion, let’s assume it happens), then we have a logic problem. They could do a great job handling that aspect of he film and make it extremely entertaining, but it would not make any logical sense because those ideas have been 100% absent in previous films. It’d be a literal deuce ex machina.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Rewriting the Jedi code was stupid on Disney’s part. One of several huge mistakes.
Saying “it doesn’t matter” after two screwy movies that had no idea where to go is revisionist history...maybe the best example of it.
Because the prequels were bad executions didn’t mean the main story concept was wrong.
Saying “it doesn’t matter” after two screwy movies that had no idea where to go is revisionist history...maybe the best example of it.
Because the prequels were bad executions didn’t mean the main story concept was wrong.
Mike S
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It doesn’t matter how long Luke was training. What we do know is that even after that training he was still weak and couldn’t match Vader. Rey matched Kylo a few minutes after first discovering her abilities and then could lift a mass of boulders when Luke was never able to lift his X-Wing out of the swamp. At the point where Rey matched Kylo Luke could only sense an incoming laser blast and was able to use the Force to only enhance what he already knew about firing a shot at a 2 meter wide object. In the beginning of ESB he could barely pull his lightsaber.
And training did matter in the OT.
“Luke, you must go to the Dagobah system.”
You are right that time travel would be stupid to just introduce all of a sudden though. Even worse than the training debacle.
The Prequels had a great overall story imo. The execution is where George faltered and needed a second opinion.
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