jakeman
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Or more exactly, the purpose was never there; they just changed the marketing.
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EPCOT Explorer
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Marketing?Not just the marketing changed.Look at the park.Is there any optimistic and grand hope for the future left?SSE has a bit,LWTL and the ending message on MS is then only thing I can think of.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.It just kinda defeats the purpose of having an Epcot style park.We already have a place for futuristic cartoons-Tomorrow Land.Why have two?Why not make Epcot back into what it's supposed to be?A park for Discovery and Inspiration?
If you have a reason I sure would like to hear it.:wave
Not being rude,I honestly would)That is what a discussion board is for!
Not that there's anything wrong with that.It just kinda defeats the purpose of having an Epcot style park.We already have a place for futuristic cartoons-Tomorrow Land.Why have two?Why not make Epcot back into what it's supposed to be?A park for Discovery and Inspiration?
If you have a reason I sure would like to hear it.:wave
Not being rude,I honestly would)That is what a discussion board is for!
MKCP 1985
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I'm optimistic and hoping the ticket prices don't go up too much before I go back!
The Epcot park is fully loaded with optimism and hope. It is all sunshine and zippity-do-dah from the time you enter the park until you leave.
We're going to Mars . . . we're building better cars . . . we're soaring over California. . . what fun!
Our nations of the world all exist in harmony and never go to war. They only exist to serve you delicious food and sell you interesting trinkets to make you happy. . . while you walk around, we play uplifting music. . . and we end your day with a big "fireworky - burning ball on a lake" show.
Come again tomorrow! We are here for you, rain or shine. Put away the worries of your job, your mortgage, and your social standing and strap on some build your own Mickey ears for a carefree day of seeing the world through Hidden Mickey glasses. You don't even need your wallet - just charge it to the Disney Resort on your park ticket credit card! You may not be able to count on your government or your in-laws back home, but you can count on us. We're Epcot, dangit!
jakeman
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Because it didn't work. The messages that are there are choosen to be ignored and interpreted in a way that does not hold true to the original Epcot.Marketing?Not just the marketing changed.Look at the park.Is there any optimistic and grand hope for the future left?SSE has a bit,LWTL and the ending message on MS is then only thing I can think of.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.It just kinda defeats the purpose of having an Epcot style park.We already have a place for futuristic cartoons-Tomorrow Land.Why have two?Why not make Epcot back into what it's supposed to be?A park for Discovery and Inspiration?
If you have a reason I sure would like to hear it.:wave
SSE is all about the future and is presented in a way that connects with both parents and children. The post show area is not Innovention Middle of the Park, but an interactive extension of the ride that showcases the connectivity of the global community.
Universe of Energy hasn't changed in over ten years, but still holds the optimistic message of finding new engery sources.
Mission: Space you covered.
Test Track's relevance to the future is on par with World of Motion's. Ride our ride and then see next years models with a concept car thrown in.
The Sea provides information regarding research that will benefit the future of marine animals. Who cares if you can't ride the hydrolators anymore.
The Land hasn't changed. You lost Kitchen Kabaret for Soarin'.
Imagination, although not a favorite attraction, did attempt to explain and research the concept of imagination.
Epcot purist see:
SSE: Flash based animation and a dumb down script
Universe of Energy: An untouch pavilion that needs an update
Mission:Space: Killer of Horizon and a probable location of a secret Michael Eisner led puppy burning operation
Test Track: A ride in car
The Seas: Pixar
The Land: The fountain is gone
Imagination: The removal of a creepy old man that in real life, if he lived down the street from you, you wouldn't let your kids go near.
This wall of text was to demonstrate the different points of view and I fully acknowledge that I painted with a large brush.
Also to keep in line with my other post, even though I am aware of these concepts (both good and bad), I don't really care. I'm there to have a good time not contemplate the meaning of a theme park.
MKCP 1985
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EPCOT Explorer
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Hah!Not that kida optimism...That's just essential for Disney.If it were depressing,I would never go back!(nor would anyone else)
I mean the kind of optimism that means YOU can change the future YOU are going to experience something amazing,not the general,"Oh look how cute Figment is and his silly antics"
The line from JIYI sums it up best.(Imagination)"It's your key to to unlock the hidden wonders of our world"
Then,"If we can dream it we can do it"
Then,"OUR amazing journey on SSE"
EPCOT had so many one-linners like that were really amazing in giving you goosebumps and making you tear up a little bit...Not so much now.AA and ROE are probably the only things left that are "inspirational" and moving.
I mean the kind of optimism that means YOU can change the future YOU are going to experience something amazing,not the general,"Oh look how cute Figment is and his silly antics"
The line from JIYI sums it up best.(Imagination)"It's your key to to unlock the hidden wonders of our world"
Then,"If we can dream it we can do it"
Then,"OUR amazing journey on SSE"
EPCOT had so many one-linners like that were really amazing in giving you goosebumps and making you tear up a little bit...Not so much now.AA and ROE are probably the only things left that are "inspirational" and moving.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Is this a discussion of an ecumenical nature or financial?
nibblesandbits
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:ROFLOL:
OMG!!!!
And the sad part is thought, that you're about 95% right...everything you listed, does seem to be the only things that Purists see....they don't seem to see the bigger picture that you tried pointing out earlier in this post. A point I've been trying to make for the past few years.
wannab@dis
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:ROFLOL:
Your whole post was great, but one snippet says more than all the EPCOT angst posts put together...
Think about that... some here have taken to heart some marketing hype and are actually contemplating the MEANING of a THEME PARK. It's beyond belief. I understand looking for meaning in life, but let's at least move outside the turnstiles of a vacation destination. :zipit:
Timmay
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Epcot is what it's supposed to be...it's just not what you want it to be.
Now, if you are refering to how it "used to be", then that is different, and the first thing you have to do is ansnwer the question as to why it was changed in the first place.
I believe it was changed because it wasn't working. Others believe Disney has become lazy and lost their "vision". I think the people that believe that simply don't remember what the park was really like 20-25 years ago.:snore:
EPCOT Explorer
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Seeing that you think I'm a purist,I'll answer these.
What is so bad about being thoughtful?I take time to appreciate the meanings in things.Yes,Disney is a vacation dstination,but it holds meaning.Not just to me,probally to most everyone on this site.Kinda makes no sence that you are here then,that Disney is "just a place" to you then.This is almost a insult.
Emotion much?
So why not a new vision(what I've been saying all along!)Something for both parties-Cartoons for the kids-Inspiration for everyone else.
*sigh*I don't know if I'm having a fun debate or if I wanna cry.LOL!
Epcot purist see:
SSE: Flash based animation and a dumb down scriptAnimation doesn't bother me.Script,not that really.But where is the relatable factor?How does it make ME feel involved?Yeah,I would like some new stuff for the decent,a black tunnel with just a video,really isn't Disney quality.But,SSE COULD be worse.I was actually expecting it and was moderately pleasantly surprised,
Universe of Energy: An untouch pavilion that needs an updateLOVE UoE-but it is getting old.And it's MILES beyond the old one.I was bored silly in that thing.
Mission:Space: Killer of Horizon and a probable location of a secret Michael Eisner led puppy burning operationOK,while I am upset that Horizons is no more,I do know that becasue of it's state this is a worthy replacement.I just wish everyone could ride.
Test Track: A ride in carTrue,it's OK.
The Seas: PixarTrue...Nemo is great but there is NOTHING educational here.It's just a sea based Fantasyland darkride
The Land: The fountain is goneI love the land.EPCOT's perfect pavilion.Something for everyone!-A direction the park needs to go in.
Imagination: The removal of a creepy old man that in real life, if he lived down the street from you, you wouldn't let your kids go near.Hey,Dreamfinder was awesome.My kids(If I had any,I'm only 16 LOL:lolcould hang with him anytime!I DO miss the original creativity and message though.
What is so bad about being thoughtful?I take time to appreciate the meanings in things.Yes,Disney is a vacation dstination,but it holds meaning.Not just to me,probally to most everyone on this site.Kinda makes no sence that you are here then,that Disney is "just a place" to you then.This is almost a insult.
Emotion much?
So why not a new vision(what I've been saying all along!)Something for both parties-Cartoons for the kids-Inspiration for everyone else.
*sigh*I don't know if I'm having a fun debate or if I wanna cry.LOL!
MousDad
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I think it's more financiumenical.
nibblesandbits
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Once again...this post deserves a standing ovation!!!
I couldn't agree more! Epcot is what it's supposed to be...it has trasformed from a boring educational-type park to a park that I now enjoy immensly. And I can only assume the general public seems to enjoy as Disney wouldn't just be making these changes b/c they felt like it.
As I mentioned before, it has changed in the exact same way that the Studios is currently changing...it's just for some reason, people are more accepting of the Studios change, but can't comprehend the Epcot change and I don't understand why.
EPCOT Explorer
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JUst a quick note here...Not really.Ask any other teenager,and EPCOT is still the most boring place on earth.My friends at school think I'm out of my mind.:lol:
:lookaroun
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
But your average teen is a spotty faced with hormone control issues so lets not.
jakeman
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The interactive video and the ability to send a momento of your ride in the post show area is not enough? You can't be more involved than choosing the ending of your ride.
Ironically, it was the same thing as Horizon, but because they dare make you laugh at it, it's the worst thing in the world.
I also wanted to flag this as a perfect can't see the forest through the trees (no offense). Has it ever been consider that the dark ride portion of The Seas is to actually portray you going into the sea? Just because one small facet of the pavilion is not educational does not mean the rest of the pavilion does not have merit. Have you read the information in the bays? Why does this pavilion not count as education?
nibblesandbits
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Yes, when comparing it to MK or DHS, or even AK sometimes, it still is the more boring of the 4 in a way...
However, compare the Original Epcot that those who are purists wax so poetically about to the Epcot of today...and it's no comparison...the Original Epcot would be seen as WAY more boring than the Epcot of today with the youth of today. (And also apparently a good portion of the youth of 1982....:lookaroun )
EPCOT Explorer
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Hey,those are my friends!:ROFLOL:
Eh,That's true on the most part but even in the honors and AP classes,(where the supposedly "nerdy" smart kids are(and they are:lookaroun))Epcot is still "The park with the big boring ball and the really cool fast track ride and space thing."
But let's not get off topic.:lookaroun
Eh,That's true on the most part but even in the honors and AP classes,(where the supposedly "nerdy" smart kids are(and they are:lookaroun))Epcot is still "The park with the big boring ball and the really cool fast track ride and space thing."
But let's not get off topic.:lookaroun
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Hey,those are my friends!:ROFLOL:
Eh,That's true on the most part but even in the honors and AP classes,(where the supposedly "nerdy" smart kids are(and they are:lookaroun))Epcot is still "The park with the big boring ball and the really cool fast track ride and space thing."
But let's not get off topic.:lookaroun
See if the legal age to have a wee hello cheeky was the same as here I wonder how quickly Epcot would become the land of mystery and excitement.
darthjohnny
Active Member
There are still plenty of educational exhibits in the Seas pavillion. Also Crush, while designed to be a fun attraction based off a Disney/Pixar movie, will still teach you about turtles. In fact, when they moved his theater, they put some more fish tanks and exhibits in the waiting room.