Do you think we will have the best FYL after its expansion?

[SirGoofy]

:lol: In terms of attractions, yes. Size? I think I would like WDW's spread out feel more.

The coziness adds to the theming. Wide open walkways destroy a lot of MK's possible beauty in places.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

The coziness adds to the theming. Wide open walkways destroy a lot of MK's possible beauty in places.

That's true, DL's proximity looks great. Everything packed in so close looks like a very authentic park.


However, the wide open vistas of MK are spectacular, too. It's a different kind of beauty, seeing only one thing at a time, especially around the Hub/Walkways around the Castle.

Best of both worlds? Tiny lands and large areas in between.:lookaroun:lol:

 

[sponono88]

Besides the fact that both are giant snowcapped mountains, I don't understand the comparison between EE and Matterhorn :shrug:

The coziness adds to the theming. Wide open walkways destroy a lot of MK's possible beauty in places.

Agreed, with attractions tucked away in corners of the park and hidden trails here and there.. it kinda makes the experience more intimate.

 

[SirGoofy]

Besides the fact that both are giant snowcapped mountains, I don't understand the comparison between EE and Matterhorn :shrug:

I agree.

 

[_Scar]

I agree.

Both have abominable snowmen :shrug:

Other than that I don't see it either.

Everest is sort of tucked away as opposed to Matterhornis viewable from a lot of Disneyland.

I wonder if the Castle Walls will alleviate the mess of the walkways? Maybe more people would be encouraged to park the stroller BEFORE entering the new Fantasyland.

 

[Iceviper123]

Both have abominable snowmen :shrug:

But Harold is much more dependable. :lol:

 

[tirian]

TBH, I'd rather have their small world or Alice in Wonderland :shrug:

Maybe I'm wrong, but Matterhorn seems dated.

Alice! I'd love to have an updated, trippy Alice with the Pooh's Hunny Hunt technology.

The animation style naturally lends itself to the dark ride aesthetic. D-level sets with E-level vehicles would be fun.

 

[tirian]

Now to answer the OP. I believe we will have the most beautiful FL in America or Asia, even though we'll still have one of the lowest capacity lands worldwide. (Why? ) DLP's is tough to beat, but ours is going to be very close, possibly surpassing Paris' beauty around TLM show building façade.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Now to answer the OP. I believe we will have the most beautiful FL in America or Asia, even though we'll still have one of the lowest capacity lands worldwide. (Why? ) DLP's is tough to beat, but ours is going to be very close, possibly surpassing Paris' beauty around TLM show building façade.

:sohappy:

Finally a positive response!:lol:

 

[DisneyParksFan1]

:sohappy:

Finally a positive response!:lol:

I know...:sohappy:

I agree with him btw.

 

[_Scar]

Now to answer the OP. I believe we will have the most beautiful FL in America or Asia, even though we'll still have one of the lowest capacity lands worldwide. (Why? ) DLP's is tough to beat, but ours is going to be very close, possibly surpassing Paris' beauty around TLM show building façade.

ITA. I also think Cinderella's area will rival TLM's area in beauty. That chateau is breathtaking!

 

[WDW1974]

Not.

Even.

Close.

We'll have a mix of pretty with pretty old and tacky. We'll also have far fewer attractions, which kinda is an important component.

It's going to be worlds better than what is there now. But let's control the drool and hyperbole.

Go to Anaheim. Go to Paris. Experience the best ... and then you wait and decide.

 

[tirian]

Not.

Even.

Close.

We'll have a mix of pretty with pretty old and tacky. We'll also have far fewer attractions, which kinda is an important component.

It's going to be worlds better than what is there now. But let's control the drool and hyperbole.

Go to Anaheim. Go to Paris. Experience the best ... and then you wait and decide.

:lol: It's well under control. I really do think that portions of the new areas will equal (I didn't say they would be better than) DLP's gorgeous FL. That doesn't mean we will have enough attractions, or that WDW's FL architecture will be completely as good as Anaheim's; but the new areas will be much more attractive than anything currently in Anaheim. Except for Pooh's Hunny Hunt, TDL's FL looks worse than Florida's. I've never been to Hong Kong.

Gotta' give credit where it's due.

But you've brought up an excellent point. Even though the FL expansion will have an incredible amount of detail, it only brings one real attraction. After the expansion, the comparison will look like this:

Disneyland: Toad, Snow White, Peter Pan, Pinocchio, Alice, Teacups, Matterhorn, Small World, Carousel, Storybookland, Casey Jr., Dumbo, theater.

WDW MK: Snow White, Peter Pan, Pooh, Teacups, Small World, Carousel, Little Mermaid, Dumbo, Philharmagic, a rethemed roller coaster.

DL still has Critter Country for Pooh and a Toontown for Gadget's Go-Coaster and Roger Rabbit; at the MK, Toontown Fair which will be razed for two Dumbos and some M&G's. This means that DL will still have SIX more FL/TT attractions than the MK! SIX! Nobody can deny that the MK has higher attendance than DL. Even after the expansion, it still won't have enough attractions compared to its crowd levels. That's concerning, and it's a prime example of bad management.

 

[jakeman]

:lol: It's well under control. I really do think that portions of the new areas will equal (I didn't say they would be better than) DLP's gorgeous FL. That doesn't mean we will have enough attractions, or that WDW's FL architecture will be completely as good as Anaheim's; but the new areas will be much more attractive than anything currently in Anaheim. Except for Pooh's Hunny Hunt, TDL's FL looks worse than Florida's. I've never been to Hong Kong.

Gotta' give credit where it's due.

But you've brought up an excellent point. Even though the FL expansion will have an incredible amount of detail, it only brings one real attraction. After the expansion, the comparison will look like this:

Disneyland: Toad, Snow White, Peter Pan, Pinocchio, Alice, Teacups, Matterhorn, Small World, Carousel, Storybookland, Casey Jr., Dumbo, theater.

WDW MK: Snow White, Peter Pan, Pooh, Teacups, Small World, Carousel, Little Mermaid, Dumbo, Philharmagic, a rethemed roller coaster.

DL still has Critter Country for Pooh and a Toontown for Gadget's Go-Coaster and Roger Rabbit; at the MK, Toontown Fair which will be razed for two Dumbos and some M&G's. This means that DL will still have SIX more FL/TT attractions than the MK! SIX! Nobody can deny that the MK has higher attendance than DL. Even after the expansion, it still won't have enough attractions compared to its crowd levels. That's concerning, and it's a prime example of bad management.

However, and I'll be the first to admit I don't have the numbers and could be wrong, you can't just compare land to land and say "it's not enough for capacity". That would be dependent on the whole park. I have a feeling that DL still wins out, but I thought it was a point worth bringing up.

Additionally, if you take away the fact that they are at DL, how many of these FL attractions are up to the Disney standards that we hold other parks too? Toad, Pinocchio, and Storybookland are kind of bad. Matterhorn...well the only thing it has going for it is history.

If we are just talking about the number of people eating attractions and not concerned with quality of said attractions then I agree.

As for quality, right now DL trumps MK, but it will be an interesting comparison in 2013.

 

[Figment632]

We have the Matterhorn on crack: Everest. And it isn't even bumpy

I would take The Matterhorn over EE any day because its a much better coaster IMO, EE is very boring and they spent so much money and time on the Yeti that doens'work. They could have put those resources into making the coaster better.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Not.

Even.

Close.

We'll have a mix of pretty with pretty old and tacky. We'll also have far fewer attractions, which kinda is an important component.

It's going to be worlds better than what is there now. But let's control the drool and hyperbole.

Go to Anaheim. Go to Paris. Experience the best ... and then you wait and decide.

Well...:lookaroun That's rumored to be changed up a bit, isn't it?

And if they can pull of a successful transition with the two clashing ares, it could even enhance it, IMHO. FLEast looks pretty nice, actually.

 

[tirian]

However, and I'll be the first to admit I don't have the numbers and could be wrong, you can't just compare land to land and say "it's not enough for capacity". That would be dependent on the whole park. I have a feeling that DL still wins out, but I thought it was a point worth bringing up.

Decent point, but DL still has more attractions than the MK overall. I prefer the wide-open spaces of the MK to the crowded streets of DL (which fanboys stubbornly call "quaint"), so I won't argue that the MK should be so jam-packed with attractions that the walkways are crowded every Sunday. But have you been to the MK when Splash, BTMRR, POTC, the HM, the JC, or Space Mt. is closed? The cascading effect of just one missing E-ticket is staggering. The park desperately needs another "E," but adding a couple of C's or D's wouldn't hurt either.

Additionally, if you take away the fact that they are at DL, how many of these FL attractions are up to the Disney standards that we hold other parks too? Toad, Pinocchio, and Storybookland are kind of bad. Matterhorn...well the only thing it has going for it is history.

If we are just talking about the number of people eating attractions and not concerned with quality of said attractions then I agree.

They still absorb crowds. If we were talking about one or two dark rides, I'd agree with you; but we're talking SIX attractions—one of which is an E-ticket, two of which are D's.

As for quality, right now DL trumps MK, but it will be an interesting comparison in 2013.

For years, the MK had fewer attractions than DL but managed to trump it on show and quality. DL was dilapidated and one of the chief complaints from the "Save Disney" crew. But the park's transformation for its 50th anniversary was so complete, so gorgeous, and so well maintained in the consecutive years, that TDO's stale management at the MK suddenly became apparent. Sure, some people already knew WDW was stagnating, but the comparison between California and Florida became more pronounced.

I am encouraged to see the high number of refurbs taking place in Florida. Tarps seem to be constantly popping up overnight throughout the MK. Show elements which were neglected for years are working consistently again. The FL/TTF issues are finally being resolved. Epcot and DHS are being acknowledged and improved again. DAK still needs help.

I hope that the older side of FL gets completely reworked after the expansion opens, because otherwise, it'll look like a real-life fairy tale set next to a poor 1970s imitation. And IMO, if the land is fully refreshed, Florida's FL will at least look better than California's, even if it doesn't have as many attractions. And to reiterate what I said earlier—I've seen bigger versions of the concept art, and the area surrounding the LM ride will be just as good as FL in DLP.

 

[SirGoofy]

The park desperately needs another "E,"

In Adventureland, please.:lookaroun:lol:

They still absorb crowds. If we were talking about one or two dark rides, I'd agree with you; but we're talking SIX attractions—one of which is an E-ticket, two of which are D's.

Which is the E?:veryconfu

I am encouraged to see the high number of refurbs taking place in Florida. Tarps seem to be constantly popping up overnight throughout the MK. Show elements which were neglected for years are working consistently again. The FL/TTF issues are finally being resolved. Epcot and DHS are being acknowledged and improved again. DAK still needs help.

Personally, I think DAK and Epcot are fine. DHS and MK are the ones that will still need help, even after Fland.

OF course this is my opinion.

I hope that the older side of FL gets completely reworked after the expansion opens, because otherwise, it'll look like a real-life fairy tale set next to a poor 1970s imitation. And IMO, if the land is fully refreshed, Florida's FL will at least look better than California's, even if it doesn't have as many attractions. And to reiterate what I said earlier—I've seen bigger versions of the concept art, and the area surrounding the LM ride will be just as good as FL in DLP.

I agree. If all the land gets refreshed it may rival DLP in terms of beauty, but that's a big if at this point.

And darn your concept art seeing ways!:fork:

 

[tirian]

In Adventureland, please.:lookaroun:lol:



Which is the E?:veryconfu

As a roller coaster and a wienie, the Matterhorn is perceived as an E, even if we know it's really a jarring ride that bruises your butt. Trivia: no Mountain at the MK because the Matterhorn and Cinderella Castle are about the same height.

Personally, I think DAK and Epcot are fine. DHS and MK are the ones that will still need help, even after Fland.

OF course this is my opinion.

Yeah, but EC and DHS are getting attention right now. DAK isn't, because EE and Nemo were expected to hold it over for a while. Too bad there aren't too many other things to do.

I agree. If all the land gets refreshed it may rival DLP in terms of beauty, but that's a big if at this point.

We don't know how much of an "if" it really is. It might very well be part of future plans; then everyone crying that the new FL won't work will be forced to eat his words.

 

[SirGoofy]

As a roller coaster and a wienie, the Matterhorn is perceived as an E, even if we know it's really a jarring ride that bruises your butt. Trivia: no Mountain at the MK because the Matterhorn and Cinderella Castle are about the same height.

Wow, that was a complete brain fart on my part. Completely forgot about Matterhorn.:brick:

Yeah, but EC and DHS are getting attention right now. DAK isn't, because EE and Nemo were expected to hold it over for a while. Too bad there aren't too many other things to do.

Eh, personally I disagree. I can easily spend an entire day in DAK with all the trails.

That's not to say I wouldn't mind a few more rides.

We don't know how much of an "if" it really is. It might very well be part of future plans; then everyone crying that the new FL won't work will be forced to eat his words.

True, I didn't mean to say that it won't happen, I meant it more as a "most of us don't know the whole story" way.

If that makes any sense.:lol: