Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[oceanbreeze77]

And lots of mysteries in terms of more long lasting damage in more serious cases.

From lung scarring to heart damage, COVID-19 may leave lingering marks - Berkeley News

UC Berkeley professor emeritus John Swartzberg explains how, for some patients, acute COVID-19 infection is just the beginning

news.berkeley.edu

I spoke to 1 radiologist in Manhattan who is simply mystified by the damage to lung tissue he is seeing, nothing like any flu or pneumonia he has ever seen. Spoke to an infectious disease specialist telling me about people with severe ongoing symptoms even 2 months after their “recovery.”

The good news is we are developing better tools to treat patients. We are doing more testing to identify cases so they can be isolated. At least some social distancing and masking to reduce spread.
What’s sad— if we hadn’t rushed to “re-open”, If we had started mass masking nationwide in April or even May, if we implemented a solid contact tracing program... then the disease would be mostly gone by now. Opening schools would be far less troublesome if there were 500 cases per day in the country instead of 60,000.

So there is a lot we don’t know. We don’t know how bad it really is, how bad it really will be.I hope and pray things line up with the “best case scenario.”
But, no matter how you look at it, it would be better to have 90% fewer cases.

I have a friend who had a really bad case and she told me sometimes it pops in her head that maybe it would have been easier if she had just died. It breaks me every time. She is suffering, and I know she is not the only one.

 

[havoc315]

I wonder if Space 220 is delayed indefinitely or will randomly open this summer on any given day?

construction was sooooo close to complete, I suspect it will open at some point.

 

[legwand77]

You better be ready to drink. I’m going to need a long time with you. Throw some big soft pretzels and beer infused dip and I’m in.

Guarantee we would have fun and get along grand, face to face is much more fun. First round, pretzels and dip on me for sure.

 

[havoc315]

You better be ready to drink. I’m going to need a long time with you. Throw some big soft pretzels and beer infused dip and I’m in.

I’ll stick to a scotch but all good.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It is just nice to agree with havoc on some things, its all good Heck I would have fun having a beer at baseline with all of you.

Old fashioned at territory lounge (did they screw that up with that dwarf crap?) or Crews Cup...

...and we can chase with whatever three beers you want

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You better be ready to drink. I’m going to need a long time with you. Throw some big soft pretzels and beer infused dip and I’m in.

...here’s something that should shock some people:

I can tie one on and tell a lot of stories

 

[milordsloth]

Guarantee we would have fun and get along grand, face to face is much more fun. First round, pretzels and dip on me for sure.

You guys are really making me want a big pretzel with some beer mustard

 

[DisneyDebRob]

...here’s something that should shock some people:

I can tie one on and tell a lot of stories

I just can’t believe that.

 

[OrlandoRising]

hydroxichloriquine is an extremely safe drug except for those who have serious cardiovascular issues. You would know that hydroxichloriquine has been prescribed routinely for fifty years as an antimalarial that is on par with the safety of other completely safe drugs like albuterol. There's just no way you could be a doctor and not know that... I know it just from having a conversation with my general practitioner.

The FDA has said hydroxichloriquine is not appropriate for emergency hospital use, which is what the latest study reinforces. The drug needs to be taken early in the infection.

Hydroxychloroquine can be taken safely, he's right about that. What he's wrong on is saying the drug "needs to be taken early in the infection."

Larger clinical trial data we have available says it is not effective, at all, in treating COVID-19. The hydroxychloroquine arm of the UK Recovery Trial included more than 4,700 patients -- and found no beneficial effect, including no effect of mortality, length of hospital stay, or any other outcome.

A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine involving 821 patients found it has no benefit as a postexposure prophylaxis. An even larger study conducted in Spain came to the same conclusion.

Those are the kinds of studies that led the FDA to revoke its emergency use authorization.

These were both placebo-controlled clinical trials. The Henry Ford study, however, was not a controlled trial. It was an observational study with some glaring flaws that very likely skewed its results.

"The study that sparked the latest controversy was anything but randomized. Not only was it not randomized, outside experts noted, but patients who received hydroxychloroquine were also more likely to get steroids, which appear to help very sick patients with Covid-19. That is likely to have influenced the central finding of the Henry Ford study: that death rates were 50% lower among patients in hospitals treated with hydroxychloroquine." https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/08...uses-attention-and-the-fda-may-pay-the-price/

So no, there is no proven benefit for the drug being taken early in the COVID-19 infection.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I just can’t believe that.

Believe it, twinkle toes

 

[legwand77]

I’ll stick to a scotch but all good.

tempt you with some bourbon?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ll stick to a scotch but all good.

Glenfiddich? macallan?

tempt you with some bourbon?

I have a good local...

Cape May Distillery Back Bay Bourbon

But I ain’t picky neither!

 

[Lilofan]

You better be ready to drink. I’m going to need a long time with you. Throw some big soft pretzels and beer infused dip and I’m in.

In Munich that's where it at. Those two fisted mugs are huge.

 

[WDW Pro]

Hydroxychloroquine can be taken safely, he's right about that. What he's wrong on is saying the drug "needs to be taken early in the infection."

Larger clinical trial data we have available says it is not effective, at all, in treating COVID-19. The hydroxychloroquine arm of the UK Recovery Trial included more than 4,700 patients -- and found no beneficial effect, including no effect of mortality, length of hospital stay, or any other outcome.

A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine involving 821 patients found it has no benefit as a postexposure prophylaxis. An even larger study conducted in Spain came to the same conclusion.

Those are the kinds of studies that led the FDA to revoke its emergency use authorization.

These were both placebo-controlled clinical trials. The Henry Ford study, however, was not a controlled trial. It was an observational study with some glaring flaws that very likely skewed its results.

"The study that sparked the latest controversy was anything but randomized. Not only was it not randomized, outside experts noted, but patients who received hydroxychloroquine were also more likely to get steroids, which appear to help very sick patients with Covid-19. That is likely to have influenced the central finding of the Henry Ford study: that death rates were 50% lower among patients in hospitals treated with hydroxychloroquine." https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/08...uses-attention-and-the-fda-may-pay-the-price/

So no, there is no proven benefit for the drug being taken early in the COVID-19 infection.

Pavlich: The media’s about-face on hydroxychloroquine

President Trump should be praised, not vilified, for quickly breaking down bureaucratic barriers, making the drug widely available should doctors choose to prescribe it to sick coronavirus patients…

www.google.com

 

[Heppenheimer]

Pavlich: The media’s about-face on hydroxychloroquine

President Trump should be praised, not vilified, for quickly breaking down bureaucratic barriers, making the drug widely available should doctors choose to prescribe it to sick coronavirus patients…

www.google.com

So, several large-scale, double-blinded clinical trials (the gold standard in medical research) found no benefit, but a Fox News contributor quotes three month old opinion polls among physicians, from before these trial results were known and hydroxychloroquine was the most well-publicized clinical lead at the time. And a limited, non-blinded trial that also used corticosteroids. That's her evidence. I'll take the New England Journal of Medicine on this one, thank you.

Time to move on. Hydroxychloroquine was an intriguing idea and I would have been thrilled if it panned out, but its all but dead as both a treatment and prophylactic for COVID-19. (one interesting trial still going on in Britain, but I anticipate the results will be the final nail in the coffin). Give it up.

 

[Heppenheimer]

In Munich that's where it at. Those two fisted mugs are huge.

In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus:
Eins, zwei, g'suffa
Da läuft so manches Fäßchen aus:
Eins, zwei, g'suffa
Da hat so manche braver Mann:
Eins, zwei, g'suffa
Gezeigt was er so vertragen kann
Schon früh am Morgen fing er an
Und spät am Abend kam er heraus
So schön ist's im Hofbräuhaus.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So, several large-scale, double-blinded clinical trials (the gold standard in medical research) found no benefit, but a Fox News contributor quotes three month old opinion polls among physicians, from before these trial results were known and hydroxychloroquine was the most well-publicized clinical lead at the time. And a limited, non-blinded trial that also used corticosteroids. That's her evidence. I'll take the New England Journal of Medicine on this one, thank you.

Time to move on. Hydroxychloroquine was an intriguing idea and I would have been thrilled if it panned out, but its all but dead as both a treatment and prophylactic for COVID-19. (one interesting trial still going on in Britain, but I anticipate the results will be the final nail in the coffin). Give it up.

Yeah...this is what I meant a week ago when I said “stay in your lane”...

Leave the science to the researchers from fancy backgrounds and the armchair imagineering rumors to...well...here

 

[mickeymiss]

Is Disney obligated to share when a staff member tests positive? Disney California launched a full media report over one case of measles last year. If we haven't heard anything about Universal having cases, why are we so convinced that there are cases? I would think that kind of claim should be based on something.

I would be inclined to think that we would notice in some way if covid was present in the currently open theme parks. I wish we had data for this. It seems like the pattern has been that one case often doesn't lead to others outside of close contacts.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Is Disney obligated to share when a staff member tests positive? Disney California launched a full media report over one case of measles last year. If we haven't heard anything about Universal having cases, why are we so convinced that there are cases? I would think that kind of claim should be based on something.

Disney isn't a medical provider. They are not conducting tests, and have no obligation to report anything, but hopefully as a responsible company, they would cooperate with the proper health authorities if an outbreak was identified amongst their staff.

 

[DisneyCane]

I am truly glad that you don’t know many people with the disease. Do you think that can inform how we are all responding differently. I know at least 50 people who have it currently or have had it in recent weeks. I also know at least 10 people who have passed away. The longest one of them was in the hospital was 58 days before he passed. Obviously that is anecdotal but I just wanted to answer your question.

100% it is easier to look pragmatically at the situation when I don't personally know many people that have tested positive and didn't know anybody who has died.

Out of curiosity, the one that was in the hospital for so long before passing, when was he infected? I assume based on the number of people you know that had it and passed away from it that you are located somewhere that was a major hot spot.

10 out of 50 is a crazy high mortality rate for the people you know/knew. I am sorry that you've had to deal with so much loss.