Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[lisa12000]

First, my condolences for the people you knew who died. None of my friends or family knows more than two people who tested positive, let alone 6 who died.

I am surprised that the reporting lag is over a month in some cases. I don't think that Florida's lag is nearly that long based on everything I've seen. I assume the MEs in NY were just overwhelmed due to the size of the outbreak and number of fatalities there.

Ont he long term complications thing, I don't think that anything long term can be concluded yet. I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) that any evidence pointing in that direction requires at least a somewhat severe illness.

In England today we reported two deaths from the end of March and the beginning of April - over half of our hospital reported deaths today were from over two weeks ago - and our care home data is as backdated if not more at times - it’s a nightmare

 

[Chomama]

First, my condolences for the people you knew who died. None of my friends or family knows more than two people who tested positive, let alone 6 who died.

I am surprised that the reporting lag is over a month in some cases. I don't think that Florida's lag is nearly that long based on everything I've seen. I assume the MEs in NY were just overwhelmed due to the size of the outbreak and number of fatalities there.

Ont he long term complications thing, I don't think that anything long term can be concluded yet. I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) that any evidence pointing in that direction requires at least a somewhat severe illness.

I am truly glad that you don’t know many people with the disease. Do you think that can inform how we are all responding differently. I know at least 50 people who have it currently or have had it in recent weeks. I also know at least 10 people who have passed away. The longest one of them was in the hospital was 58 days before he passed. Obviously that is anecdotal but I just wanted to answer your question.

 

[havoc315]

First, my condolences for the people you knew who died. None of my friends or family knows more than two people who tested positive, let alone 6 who died.

I am surprised that the reporting lag is over a month in some cases. I don't think that Florida's lag is nearly that long based on everything I've seen. I assume the MEs in NY were just overwhelmed due to the size of the outbreak and number of fatalities there.

Ont he long term complications thing, I don't think that anything long term can be concluded yet. I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) that any evidence pointing in that direction requires at least a somewhat severe illness.

I live and work near an early epicenter. I work with the medical community so I know a lot of frontline medical workers. Fortunately, I haven’t lost any close friends or family. I know dozens who have tested positive.

There is so much we don’t know. So much that we won’t know until years in hindsight.

But there is at least reason to believe there can at least be significant temporary lung damage in asymptomatic cases.

And lots of mysteries in terms of more long lasting damage in more serious cases.

From lung scarring to heart damage, COVID-19 may leave lingering marks - Berkeley News

UC Berkeley professor emeritus John Swartzberg explains how, for some patients, acute COVID-19 infection is just the beginning

news.berkeley.edu

I spoke to 1 radiologist in Manhattan who is simply mystified by the damage to lung tissue he is seeing, nothing like any flu or pneumonia he has ever seen. Spoke to an infectious disease specialist telling me about people with severe ongoing symptoms even 2 months after their “recovery.”

The good news is we are developing better tools to treat patients. We are doing more testing to identify cases so they can be isolated. At least some social distancing and masking to reduce spread.
What’s sad— if we hadn’t rushed to “re-open”, If we had started mass masking nationwide in April or even May, if we implemented a solid contact tracing program... then the disease would be mostly gone by now. Opening schools would be far less troublesome if there were 500 cases per day in the country instead of 60,000.

So there is a lot we don’t know. We don’t know how bad it really is, how bad it really will be.I hope and pray things line up with the “best case scenario.”
But, no matter how you look at it, it would be better to have 90% fewer cases.

 

[legwand77]

I live and work near an early epicenter. I work with the medical community so I know a lot of frontline medical workers. Fortunately, I haven’t lost any close friends or family. I know dozens who have tested positive.

There is so much we don’t know. So much that we won’t know until years in hindsight.

But there is at least reason to believe there can at least be significant temporary lung damage in asymptomatic cases.

And lots of mysteries in terms of more long lasting damage in more serious cases.

From lung scarring to heart damage, COVID-19 may leave lingering marks - Berkeley News

UC Berkeley professor emeritus John Swartzberg explains how, for some patients, acute COVID-19 infection is just the beginning

news.berkeley.edu

I spoke to 1 radiologist in Manhattan who is simply mystified by the damage to lung tissue he is seeing, nothing like any flu or pneumonia he has ever seen. Spoke to an infectious disease specialist telling me about people with severe ongoing symptoms even 2 months after their “recovery.”

The good news is we are developing better tools to treat patients. We are doing more testing to identify cases so they can be isolated. At least some social distancing and masking to reduce spread.
What’s sad— if we hadn’t rushed to “re-open”, If we had started mass masking nationwide in April or even May, if we implemented a solid contact tracing program... then the disease would be mostly gone by now. Opening schools would be far less troublesome if there were 500 cases per day in the country instead of 60,000.

So there is a lot we don’t know. We don’t know how bad it really is, how bad it really will be.I hope and pray things line up with the “best case scenario.”
But, no matter how you look at it, it would be better to have 90% fewer cases.

Great post, like you said might be some concern on long term issues , but we are still figuring that out. Your experience being at the epicenter etc. is truly a rough thing. Might differ on some opinions but absolutly understand and respect your viewpoints where you are coming from.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Great post, like you said might be some concern on long term issues , but we are still figuring that out. Your experience being at the epicenter etc. is truly a rough thing. Might differ on some opinions but absolutly understand and repect your viewpoints where you are coming from.

So then it makes sense to limit the spread as much as possible then?

 

[Ojo4]

Everyone here is focusing on all the wrong markers, the rising case count/hospitalizations don't matter to Disney, all they care about is politically whether or not the governor is going to shut them down, thats the only thing that will cause them to close

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Everyone here is focusing on all the wrong markers, the rising case count/hospitalizations don't matter to Disney, all they care about is politically whether or not the governor is going to shut them down, thats the only thing that will cause them to close

I disagree...sorta.

But I think I’m “corona’d” our on these boards. Same nonsense is said over and over again.

It’s gonna be a long six months for all of us...Disney included. Be interesting how things fall for them?

 

[disneygeek90]

I disagree...sorta.

But I think I’m “corona’d” our on these boards. Same nonsense is said over and over again.

It’s gonna be a long six months for all of us...Disney included. Be interesting how things fall for them?

Corona Discussion Fatigue is real.

 

[Phil12]

Everyone here is focusing on all the wrong markers, the rising case count/hospitalizations don't matter to Disney, all they care about is politically whether or not the governor is going to shut them down, thats the only thing that will cause them to close

Not to worry then. Governor says WDW is safe to reopen:

Gov. DeSantis Says Disney World is Safe to Reopen, Praises Universal

Disney will begin reopening its theme parks on July 11.

www.baynews9.com

 

[havoc315]

So then it makes sense to limit the spread as much as possible then?

I agree with the gist of your statement BUT we all truly believe in striking a balance. But we don’t agree on where to strike that balance, partially because we don’t all even view the data the same way.

But very few people would say “we should take no precautions, no matter the effects!”
And very few people would say, “we must all stay 100% isolated in our homes until 100% effective vaccines are developed.”

Sadly, we have a distrust of experts and a distrust of government, both of which make it hard to reach a consensus on the balance.

Mask wearing is a relatively minor inconvenience that can have a huge effect in saving lives (and allowing economic activity). But there are those who distrust the experts recommending masks... and believe it’s a conspiracy of leftist politicians.
You have distrust of our President which leads some people to automatically want to discount everything he says. (Though he does make it very hard to trust anything he says, especially on Covid).

If we had leadership that would 1–truly listen to experts, and 2–be honest with the public. And then had a public which had faith in experts and faith in the truthfulness of leadership... then we might actually mostly come to a consensus.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree with the gist of your statement BUT we all truly believe in striking a balance. But we don’t agree on where to strike that balance, partially because we don’t all even view the data the same way.

But very few people would say “we should take no precautions, no matter the effects!”
And very few people would say, “we must all stay 100% isolated in our homes until 100% effective vaccines are developed.”

Sadly, we have a distrust of experts and a distrust of government, both of which make it hard to reach a consensus on the balance.

Mask wearing is a relatively minor inconvenience that can have a huge effect in saving lives (and allowing economic activity). But there are those who distrust the experts recommending masks... and believe it’s a conspiracy of leftist politicians.
You have distrust of our President which leads some people to automatically want to discount everything he says. (Though he does make it very hard to trust anything he says, especially on Covid).

If we had leadership that would 1–truly listen to experts, and 2–be honest with the public. And then had a public which had faith in experts and faith in the truthfulness of leadership... then we might actually mostly come to a consensus.

Yikes...

There’s a lot to like...and a few things to dislike in this one...

Hot potato...not gonna touch it

 

[Phil12]

Corona Discussion Fatigue is real.

Naw, I could do this for another two years.

 

[legwand77]

Yikes...

There’s a lot to like...and a few things to dislike in this one...

Hot potato...not gonna touch it

It is just nice to agree with havoc on some things, its all good Heck I would have fun having a beer at baseline with all of you.

 

[BrianLo]

Another note on how Covid does not effect kids, the new CDC update on flu deaths through 6/27 is out. The seasonal flu was 5x more deadly than Covid is for kids <14.

There have been 30 deaths in children under 14 nationwide so far, and around 150 deaths in the same age group from the seasonal to date

Unfortunately deaths do not necessarily capture MIS-C, which is a unique entity for children.

 

[disneygeek90]

Naw, I could do this for another two years.

You might have to at this rate

 

[Rescue Ranger]

I wonder if Space 220 is delayed indefinitely or will randomly open this summer on any given day?

 

[DisneyDebRob]

It is just nice to agree with havoc on some things, its all good Heck I would have fun having a beer at baseline with all of you.

You better be ready to drink. I’m going to need a long time with you. Throw some big soft pretzels and beer infused dip and I’m in.

 

[milordsloth]

I wonder if Space 220 is delayed indefinitely or will randomly open this summer on any given day?

Back when I was making summer plans over new years, this was one of the things I was really looking forward to! I'm keeping a tiny bit of irrational hope it will open with the park next week...

 

[legwand77]

I wonder if Space 220 is delayed indefinitely or will randomly open this summer on any given day?

They were having problems opening before all this, so who knows.

 

[Herdman]

I think based on how the numbers are right now and with Disney apparently set to open, I'd say the only thing that will make them shut down is if they have a large outbreak among the cast members to the point that they can't efficiently run the parks. Anyone who thinks they won't have any cases amongst guests and cast members are fooling themselves. Cases are going to happen and I'm guessing Disney is prepared for that.