Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[Sirwalterraleigh]

When we eventually have a vaccine, just wait for the firestorm when the manufacturers report that they can't just magically produce 1 billion doses at the snap of a finger, or this being a Disney site, the sprinkling of fairy dust.

People also assume vaccines are “sure science”...when In reality modern Medicine has struggled greatly to produce effective solutions due to biology being so darn “adaptive” and organisms varying greatly from one another due to dna/efficiency nuances.

As far as production goes...that capability should be being ramped up right now...and since there’s little “money in it”...that should be done on the public level.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I know you like to be dramatic, but try not to move past dramatic into ridiculous.

Homemade masks seem to be fine. FWIW, only only one area of this country had PPE issues.

Like I said, when the messaging is inconsistent, when the rules are dumb, people will stop listening.

They lied to us...and I’m ok with it.

They KNEW what would happen. It would have been a rush to amazon and Cvs and every farting store on the block for masks.

Just because homemade masks were “good enough”...doesn’t mean that’s what would go.

If you assume everyone is selfish...you’re chances of predicting their behavior right skyrockets.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

When we eventually have a vaccine, just wait for the firestorm when the manufacturers report that they can't just magically produce 1 billion doses at the snap of a finger, or this being a Disney site, the sprinkling of fairy dust.

They lied to us...and I’m ok with it.

They KNEW what would happen. It would have been a rush to amazon and Cvs and every farting store on the block for masks.

Just because homemade masks were “good enough”...doesn’t mean that’s what would go.

If you assume everyone is selfish...you’re chances of predicting their behavior right skyrockets.

Science is hard. Always will be. The people that come out and throw out past mistakes or wrong findings of them as they sort out the millions of pieces of data are just narrow minded or don’t understand what the process is. They always get it right but it may take time. Follow the science and the guidelines instead of finding the mistakes and we will be fine.
Right now it’s 6 ft distancing, avoid large groups and wear a mask. It’s not hard.

 

[Mainahman]

I'm still trying to figure out which masks to get my son. My husband's work gave him a huge pack of surgical masks for home use but we don't know if kids can wear those. I also kind of want a few that don't look so intimidating for pictures. Bottom line is we want the most effective option so we may just go with the surgical masks. People say they are more comfortable in the heat.

We got the cloth Disney themed ones no shocker here of course.

I got 2 haunted mansion

 

[lazyboy97o]

So because the public was mislead in March because supplies were short and healthcare workers needed them, 3 months later when we have plenty of supplies and we shouldn’t wear masks because of that lie; yup checks out totally logical.

Of course other guidelines have been consistent throughout (6 ft social distancing, avoid large gatherings, stay home as much as possible) and everyone ignores them too so...

I think calling it a lie was the bigger mistake. The original message remains consistent with today. People were asking about and hoarding masks to protect themselves. In one of those interviews in March, Dr. Fauci says masks should be worn by people who are contagious which also remains true. I guess the lie was in knowing that treating everyone as contagious would have just cast a big wide net but calling it a lie has only further undermined something that is incredibly simple and not a big new idea.

 

[Touchdown]

Vaccine production is indeed ramped up, nearly all vaccines in trial are being produced in mass quantities thanks to public funding. However, we still will not have enough if it’s only one vaccine that works, ideally multiple ones will to increase numbers. The general public better be ready to wait their turn behind military, healthcare workers, politicians and people with underlying conditions though, the vaccine will be rationed to those people first.

 

[mickeymiss]

I think calling it a lie was the bigger mistake. The original message remains consistent with today. People were asking about and hoarding masks to protect themselves. In one of those interviews in March, Dr. Fauci says masks should be worn by people who are contagious which also remains true. I guess the lie was in knowing that treating everyone as contagious would have just cast a big wide net but calling it a lie has only further undermined something that is incredibly simple and not a big new idea.

I don't think there's anything wrong with a message change but I will remember every public figure that loudly shamed anyone who wore a mask back then. They were so hostile about it and look where we are now. I see those people and I don't forget. Celebrities made up quite a percentage of shamers as many of them wear N95 masks now. Where'd they get those? Hmm?

 

[Horizons '83]

Vaccine production is indeed ramped up, nearly all vaccines in trial are being produced in mass quantities thanks to public funding. However, we still will not have enough if it’s only one vaccine that works, ideally multiple ones will to increase numbers. The general public better be ready to wait their turn behind military, healthcare workers, politicians and people with underlying conditions though, the vaccine will be rationed to those people first.

I think that is fair. I would want my elderly parents to get the 1st crack before me. They have literally not left their city since March and are bored out of their minds right now.

 

[Heppenheimer]

People also assume vaccines are “sure science”...when In reality modern Medicine has struggled greatly to produce effective solutions due to biology being so darn “adaptive” and organisms varying greatly from one another due to dna/efficiency nuances.

As far as production goes...that capability should be being ramped up right now...and since there’s little “money in it”...that should be done on the public level.

It is being done to a certain degree (there's enough money flooding into vaccine research right now that they can take some risks on infrastructure investment that they otherwise wouldn't be able to make), but the entire system can't actually go full throttle until they know precisely what they'll be producing. At this point, we don't even know if the first vaccine will be killed, attenuated, or one of those new DNA insertion vaccines (I forget the actual term for these). All three require very different production methods, and attenuated vaccines have a particularly slow and error-prone manufacturing process.

 

[carolina_yankee]

Seriously. I can't stop finding ones I like. This one recently made it to my cart: https://www.redbubble.com/i/mask/stretch-portraits-by-memoryanddream/50174361.9G0D8

I wonder how comfortable they are. I’ve spent dozens of dollars on the quest for the perfect mask. As a glasses-wearer, it’s hard. Ultimately, the medical masks are the most comfortable and work best for me. That shape certainly does, even when I go for a cloth mask. I do want to be mask-stylish. If it’s good to wear one, have fun with it!

 

[GoofGoof]

Pages of mask debate again??? Masks are ineffective because you can’t show me 27 studies from a source I approve of that shows they aren‘t. Someone in March said masks weren’t required so now thats carved in stone like the Ten Commandments. And my all time favorite is...I still wear a mask after pages of posts saying I don’t think they work. I think we’ve heard it all at this point.

Whether masks work or not that’s the price to pay to go to WDW. Take it or leave it, especially now that cases are surging. Any hope of the mask rules relaxing has gone from slim to none in recent weeks. The masks are here to stay for the foreseeable future. The rest of the back and forth has nothing to do with WDW delaying their opening date.

 

[electric]

Pages of mask debate again??? Masks are ineffective because you can’t show me 27 studies from a source I approve of that shows they aren‘t. Someone in March said masks weren’t required so now thats carved in stone like the Ten Commandments. And my all time favorite is...I still wear a mask after pages of posts saying I don’t think they work. I think we’ve heard it all at this point.

Whether masks work or not that’s the price to pay to go to WDW. Take it or leave it, especially now that cases are surging. Any hope of the mask rules relaxing has gone from slim to none in recent weeks. The masks are here to stay for the foreseeable future. The rest of the back and forth has nothing to do with WDW delaying their opening date.

WDW hasn't delayed the opening date though, and they wont now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wonder how comfortable they are. I’ve spent dozens of dollars on the quest for the perfect mask. As a glasses-wearer, it’s hard. Ultimately, the medical masks are the most comfortable and work best for me. That shape certainly does, even when I go for a cloth mask. I do want to be mask-stylish. If it’s good to wear one, have fun with it!

I’ve figured out the perfect mask...

It’s one that’s on when it’s between 55 and 67 degrees out.

No problems there

 

[GoofGoof]

WDW hasn't delayed the opening date though, and they wont now.

I don’t disagree. I think outside of the local government forcing a pull back (unlikely for the county and impossible for the state) or competitors like Universal and Sea World closing (also highly unlikely) the opening will happen when planned. At this point no new case numbers will be enough to move the needle less than a week from opening.

 

[disneygeek90]

Pages of mask debate again??? Masks are ineffective because you can’t show me 27 studies from a source I approve of that shows they aren‘t. Someone in March said masks weren’t required so now thats carved in stone like the Ten Commandments. And my all time favorite is...I still wear a mask after pages of posts saying I don’t think they work. I think we’ve heard it all at this point.

Whether masks work or not that’s the price to pay to go to WDW. Take it or leave it, especially now that cases are surging. Any hope of the mask rules relaxing has gone from slim to none in recent weeks. The masks are here to stay for the foreseeable future. The rest of the back and forth has nothing to do with WDW delaying their opening date.

Dying at the Ten Commandments reference

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t disagree. I think outside of the local government forcing a pull back (unlikely for the county and impossible for the state) or competitors like Universal and Sea World closing (also highly unlikely) the opening will happen when planned. At this point no new case numbers will be enough to move the needle less than a week from opening.

I think it’s a social experiment now...but one to their advantage because they have excuses if they do some closures/shutdowns moving forward.

They’ll use This as an opportunity to see “just how bad you want it?” And see how that effects the crowds in the new reality and how they can change pricing.

The studies out of Europe (Spain and Switzerland notably) show very little antibody rates.

So that kills the concept of “herd immunity”. Not gonna happen.

So then we accept that corona is new reality...hope for a reasonably effective vaccine that only fails to provide benefits to some...that is just like the flu - even if the virus is not.

So that will heavily impact travel. No “magic wand/silver bullet” to provide comfort and a return to normalcy for the masses.

That’s very much an issue for Disney.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Dying at the Ten Commandments reference

I now have a mental image of unmasked Floridians partying and crowding around a golden calf.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Dying at the Ten Commandments reference

When the “counter arguments” dry up...people resort to spirits and apothecary solutions

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I now have a mental image of unmasked Floridians partying and crowding around a golden calf.

Some of the characters do remind me of Edward G Robinson...really bad make up

 

[carolina_yankee]

I’ve figured out the perfect mask...

It’s one that’s on when it’s between 55 and 67 degrees out.

No problems there

Don’t think I’m not cranking the AC down in church when we open up in two weeks . . .