Nmoody1
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People NEED groceries. People don't NEED to ride space mountain. I do agree they seem to have done a good job. I just question if reopening now is the right time.
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Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?
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People NEED groceries. People don't NEED to ride space mountain. I do agree they seem to have done a good job. I just question if reopening now is the right time.
DisneyDebRob
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This is very concerning. Please #MOM, not being political but this matters in people trying to make informed decisions on trips.
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Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data (Published 2020)
Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.
bartholomr4
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This is very concerning. Please #MOM, not being political but this matters in people trying to make informed decisions on trips.
Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data (Published 2020)
Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.
Scott Gottlieb was just on CNBC and the reporter asked him about this..... The CDC will still get the data it has been receiving andthe CDC will make the data available to the public. The CDC infrastructure is old and processes are antiquated (not designed to handle these volumes). According to Dr Gottleib, HSS has the systems to gather the data at a quicker pace, and their focus is on allocating drugs to where it is needed now.
The new cases reported yesterday in Florida are averaging a 7 day test to results delay and the lag is getting worse. The need to speed findings within processes not designed to handle this volume, is going to require changes, and temporary modifications of process. If your decision to attend the parks is based on Florida data reported yesterday on an average 7 day delay, that may be a bigger data gap, than the professional employees at HSS reporting the results instead of the professional employees at the CDC.
threvester
Well-Known Member
its a better faster system...not concerning at allThis is very concerning. Please #MOM, not being political but this matters in people trying to make informed decisions on trips.
Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data (Published 2020)
Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.
No (sane) person wants the parks to close again. I don’t. I have many friends who would be impacted directly and indirectly. We still have a visit that’s not totally cancelled yet. But if that’s the lesser of the evils it’ll happen. Hong Kong shows it’s not an impossibility.
If it did happen it could be up to Washington to decide if they want to provide more assistance.
Jon81uk
Well-Known Member
if everyone went into full lockdown and places remained shut, it might get under control even sooner
Hakunamatata
Le Meh
And then when you reopen its going to spike again. So what is the answer?
NickMaio
Well-Known Member
This must be the answer.....they have it ALL figured out.
Globalnews.ca: Florida anti-mask group rewarded maskless diners with free grilled cheese.
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Globalnews.ca: Florida anti-mask group rewarded maskless diners with free grilled cheese.
Florida anti-mask group rewarded maskless diners with free grilled cheese - National | Globalnews.ca
Anti-mask protest leaders bought grilled cheese for 100 people who agreed to eat at the restaurant without a mask.
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Jon81uk
Well-Known Member
It doesn't always. Many countries have done this and cases kept going down. Look at us here in the UK for example. We had a tighter lockdown for around two months, then slowly over another month or two re-opened things and cases are still going down, but some cities have had to lockdown again as cases spike. But manage it well and you can basically eradicate the virus as New Zealand did.
NickMaio
Well-Known Member
In theory, once you get the virus transmission levels under control the spreading is far less.
At least that is how most places on the planet have been handling it.
FL is doing a smashing job at spreading this aweful virus.
DisneyDebRob
Well-Known Member
Then give them the better system if they needed improvement.
It won’t all be released to the public,anything that goes through the government, in any administration, usually doesn’t all get realeased. The CDC will no longer control the data and not only the public may not know all of it but the scores of researchers, modelers and health officials that rely on CDC data to make project and crucial decisions.
Are you talking about the deaths caused by hospitals being over run?
Or the deaths caused by increased medical errors because healthcare providers are caring for more patients due to staff shortages?
Wait I know, you’re talking about the deaths caused by people waiting too long to go to the hospital over fear of exposing themselves to Covid, right?
Mental illness is not caused by economic stress, it can be exasperated by economic stress as it can cause (unhealthy and ultimately unsustainable) coping mechanisms to fail sooner then they would but even if the good times kept going eventually without health care intervention (not necessarily meds, I’m also talking about therapy) the affected persons mental disease would have manifested eventually.
If you truly care about mental illness, advocate for increased funding to mental health professionals and public health efforts meant to destigmatize mental health diseases, “fixing the economy” does not fix mental illness.
lentesta
Premium Member
It's true that people don't need to ride Space Mountain. They don't need to eat in restaurants, stay in hotels, or to travel.
Except for the people whose jobs rely on theme parks, restaurants, hotels, and the travel industry. That's roughly 25MM of the 155MM jobs in the U.S. (about 16%). And, of course, the people employed in those industries spend money on everything else in the economy, like food, services, electronics, cars, and homes.
I think the vast majority of people's "Plan A" would've been to stay at home until we developed a vaccine. The U.S. doesn't have social programs to accomplish that. So a substantial part of the U.S. economy needed a Plan B.
Plan B The U.S. implemented additional unemployment insurance. That ends in 16 days and hasn't been extended. But let's assume that every person who needed it, got it, it all worked perfectly, and it was enough to cover everyone's expenses.
Employers got up to 2.5 months of payroll expenses through the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP). Let's say that all of that worked perfectly too, that companies didn't have other expenses besides payroll, and that everyone who needed the PPP, got it. Assuming that started in April, that would've lasted until mid-June. Emergency (EIDL) loans are available for up to $150K. Let's say that gets 2.5 months too, through the end of August, and that EIDL worked perfectly.
Plan C Thus, at the end of July (workers) or August (companies), lots of people need a Plan C. Let's assume that Plan C is that everyone perfectly followed what financial advisors said, and had 3 to 6 months of emergency money sitting around. That gets us to November to January.
Plan D Assuming everything went exactly to plan at every step along the way, workers and companies will run out of their own emergency savings and all existing government assistance programs starting in a little over 100 days from now.
The economy will not be fixed 100 days from now.
It's worth pointing out that 46 U.S. states plus the District of Columbia have laws that mandate balanced budgets - they can't run deficits, even if they wanted to implement their own emergency social programs. (They could change those laws, of course. As far as I can tell, no state is considering doing so.)
If you're trying to plan ahead, then, the two most likely options for Plan D are "hope the federal government helps" or "figure it out for yourself."
Again, the right thing to do would be for everyone to re-isolate until a vaccine is available. To do that without destroying the lives and livelihoods of 1/6th of the U.S. economy for the next decade, the federal government would need to indicate now that it's going to do whatever it takes to support the economy.
The federal government isn't doing that.
That's why businesses like theme parks are re-opening.
As usual, I could be wrong.
I don't think Washington will jump over hoops to provide help just because WDW parks close. But if the parks close, it will get world wide attention that's is for sure. I have friends that could be directly indirectly impacted to.
G00fyDad
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That is because people are refusing to stay home and let this thing die down. They are too busy going to restaurants, movies, parties, and theme parks. Most of the time without a mask. Many of them get indignant when you tell them they need to wear one. As if you are violating their rights or something. Anti-Maskers are a thing and they usually come down with COVID19 with some pretty bad results.
Sir_Cliff
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Every day that goes by I see a news story about rising cases in Florida headlined by a picture of the Magic Kingdom. Disney World really seems to have become the international face of what is being reported as Florida's apparent indifference to becoming one of the world's coronavirus hot spots.
I can't help but think that Disney executives are very nervously hoping and praying that stories don't start emerging of cast members and guests getting sick as this decision is already looking like a disaster for Disney's brand. Hopefully they don't have to close, but they really need to consider what it will mean for the future of WDW if it becomes permanently associated with sickness and possible deaths in the popular imagination.
I can't help but think that Disney executives are very nervously hoping and praying that stories don't start emerging of cast members and guests getting sick as this decision is already looking like a disaster for Disney's brand. Hopefully they don't have to close, but they really need to consider what it will mean for the future of WDW if it becomes permanently associated with sickness and possible deaths in the popular imagination.
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NickMaio
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That was great.......nailed it.That is because people are refusing to stay home and let this thing die down. They are too busy going to restaurants, movies, parties, and theme parks. Most of the time without a mask. Many of them get indignant when you tell them they need to wear one. As if you are violating their rights or something. Anti-Maskers are a thing and they usually come down with COVID19 with some pretty bad results.
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NickMaio
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Just a matter of time before a cast member gets it......
I'm honestly kinda over this "People are not wearing the mask thing" because, I go out and I see like 95% of the people wearing a mask.
No. Mass testing and highly organized contact tracing can prevent big spikes, but only if you start at a very low number.
Our testing has improved, but still not to the necessary point.
Only a few states have gotten serious about contact tracing. And there has been no national leadership on contact tracing. When done right — it recently led to a few hundred people in my town receiving 2-week quarantine instructions. Which worked, it prevented a few cases from becoming a mass outbreak.
But again, can only work if you start with small numbers. As I said, a handful of cases in my town led to quarantine of a few hundred people. If you’re having tens of thousands of cases, you can’t trace and quarantine even a modest fraction.
So the way it’s supposed to work (and what should have been done in April and May)— lock downs to get numbers as low as feasible. At the same time, build up testing and proper contact tracing. Then slowly re-open with the testing and contact tracing in place.
Instead — many places just re-opened while their numbers were a bit flat or even increasing. They re-opened with mass testing increases. And they never implemented a mass contact tracing program.