Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And I think that’s particularly true with these animated to live action films where a big selling point is the “nostalgia” and attachment to the original film. The more you drift from the beloved work, the harder it can be on selling people to go and see the new thing. There’s some element of “they changed too much” that’s necessarily racial per se.

Let’s face it….Disney keeps doing far too many remake/spin movies.

So while yes…there is some racial tinge to it - mostly because an unregulated internet still allows near universal “troll anonymity” - it’s also criticized because of a mounting list of them messing with ALL their characters. It’s almost across the board.

They did it again in their only other chance for a “tentpole” this summer a few weeks away.

Take one of the worlds greatest action heroes and made him a cowering buffoon of an old man - it seems?

The “catalogue” is leading to fan disgruntlement across the board.

 

[Jedijax719]

$40.6 million second weekend. Less than 60% drop despite the monster opening of Spideyverse2.

 

[Tha Realest]

What happened to franchise fatigue?

Seems like Sony’s doing a better job managing Disney properties?

 

[Tha Realest]

Let’s face it….Disney keeps doing far to many remake/spin movies.

So while yes…there is some racial tinge to it - mostly because an unregulated internet still allows near universal “troll anonymity” - it’s also criticized because of a mounting list of them messing with ALL their characters. It’s almost across the board.

They did it again in their only other chance for a “tentpole” this summer a few weeks away.

Take one of the worlds greatest action heroes and made him a cowering buffoon of an old man - it seems?

The “catalogue” is leading to fan disgruntlement across the board.

I don’t think there’s a racial component to the new Indy. I do think it’s being set up as a deconstruction of the adventure serial and the Indy franchise. That approach worked so well with Man of Steel and The Last Jedi!

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

$40.6 million second weekend. Less than 60% drop despite the monster opening of Spideyverse2.

Amazing that Spiderverse covered it’s production costs in 3 days, TLM is 2 weeks in and will probably need a couple more weeks to cover its production costs.

Disney needs to reign in their costs or their movie division is in trouble.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t think there’s a racial component to the new Indy. I do think it’s being set up as a deconstruction of the adventure serial and the Indy franchise. That approach worked so well with Man of Steel and The Last Jedi!

No I’m not saying there’s any racial component to it

I’m saying exactly what you said below

I didn’t hate man of steel as much as most. But the other one was the dumbest move in Hollywood history. Don’t believe me, Disney defenders? Watch it play. I’ll be on that hill.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

TLM is on pace for about a $44 based on Hollywood math for a second weekend…

I do think it will come in above that…maybe $52?
That would be a 55% drop

I was wrong and that ain’t good

$40.6 million second weekend. Less than 60% drop despite the monster opening of Spideyverse2.

Not good.
International will have to bail it out.

Again…not good

 

[MisterPenguin]

Seems like Sony’s doing a better job managing Disney properties?

It's Morbin' time!!

 

[Indy_UK]

Amazing that Spiderverse covered it’s production costs in 3 days, TLM is 2 weeks in and will probably need a couple more weeks to cover its production costs.

Disney needs to reign in their costs or they’re movie division is in trouble.

I may be wrong but did I hear that production spent $150,000 on Ariel’s hair in the new movie? It’s things like this is why budgets are spiralling out of control and movies aren’t turning a profit.

For a company who are so tight to spend any money, why are things like this not reigned in?

 

[Jedijax719]

Amazing that Spiderverse covered it’s production costs in 3 days, TLM is 2 weeks in and will probably need a couple more weeks to cover its production costs.

Disney needs to reign in their costs or they’re movie division is in trouble.

I think, in terms of budget, we have to considered swollen budgets due to COVID-19 delays. Underwater scenes were always going to be more expensive than pretty much anything they do. But since TLM was the last of the true renaissance remakes that made a culture impact, I don't see them putting forth the cash for anything else in that genre. They were always going to go all in for TLM considering the successes of BatB, Aladdin, Lion King, and even Jungle Book. Now, they'll leave the big budgets for MCU and Star Wars going forward.

 

[TalkingHead]

Seems like Sony’s doing a better job managing Disney properties?

Also worth mentioning Lord and Miller, the Spiderverse producers/writers, were the guys Disney fired while making Solo. One of those great Hollywood what-ifs.

 

[TalkingHead]

It's Morbin' time!!

It’s $75-85m budget Morbin’ time

 

[MisterPenguin]

Also worth mentioning Lord and Miller, the Spiderverse producers/writers, were the guys Disney fired while making Solo. One of those great Hollywood what-ifs.

The scuttlebutt was that L&M were filming a whole bunch of alternat scenes for Solo without a clear storyboard and were racking up big expenses. And that's why they were canned.

When you're doing animation, you can't just keep filming new scenes (outside of a few touch-ups/fixes). Everything needs to be laid out before you start animating. That enforced discipline on them to get the story completed and to then animate it as written.

And good for them. Spider-verse is excellent.

 

[donaldtoo]

The initial China results are a disaster:

BATB: $45M opening weekend/$86M total
Aladdin: $18M opening/$53M total
TLM: $2.5M opening

Japan opens 6/9, but can’t save it.

I’m sure Disney didn’t set out to make a disaster movie, but, apparently, that’s how it turned out.

 

[Tha Realest]

It's Morbin' time!!

It was a miss, but it at least broke even. I don’t believe any of the Sony Spider-Man or SM-adjacent films have ever lost money, and many of them - including the “bad” Andrew Garfield ones and the Venom films - have made many times their budgets.

Can you say the same for Disney’s recent output?

 

[MisterPenguin]

It’s $75-85m budget Morbin’ time

Even with a skinny budget, it lost money in the theatrical window... even with bringing back to the theaters because Twitter was blowing up with "Morbin' time!"

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Box Office Pro morning Update:

Last weekend, Disney’s live-action remake was under the sea and below expectations with a $95.5M debut. It was below some other Disney live-action remakes which it was potentially expected to beat, like 2016’s The Jungle Book ($103.2M) and 2010’s Alice in Wonderland ($116.1M).

This weekend, it falls -58% to $40.6M and second place.

That’s a steeper sophomore percentage drop than:

• 2016’s The Jungle Book (-40%)
• 2010’s Alice in Wonderland (-46%)
• 2017’s Beauty and the Beast (-48%)
• 2019’s Aladdin (-53%)

Looking at those numbers the enthusiasm for remakes seems to be consistently dropping every year, the first week is catching the people genuinely looking forward to the movie, after that the rest of us are happy waiting for it on D+.

 

[Jedijax719]

Box Office Pro morning Update:

Last weekend, Disney’s live-action remake was under the sea and below expectations with a $95.5M debut. It was below some other Disney live-action remakes which it was potentially expected to beat, like 2016’s The Jungle Book ($103.2M) and 2010’s Alice in Wonderland ($116.1M).

This weekend, it falls -58% to $40.6M and second place.

That’s a steeper sophomore percentage drop than:

• 2016’s The Jungle Book (-40%)
• 2010’s Alice in Wonderland (-46%)
• 2017’s Beauty and the Beast (-48%)
• 2019’s Aladdin (-53%)

Second week competition:
Jungle Book (retained #1 against The Huntsman's $19 mill)
BatB (retained #1 against Power Rangers $40 mill)
Aladdin (fell to #2 against Godzilla KOM's $48 mill)
Alice in Wonderland (retained #1 against Greenzone's $14 million)

TLM's second weekend was up against ATSV's $120 million.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I didn’t realize breaking even was the goal?

It’s betting than the alternative, besides, that’s all they got at this point as far as the business aspects for this movie.

 

[TalkingHead]

The scuttlebutt was that L&M were filming a whole bunch of alternat scenes for Solo without a clear storyboard and were racking up big expenses. And that's why they were canned.

When you're doing animation, you can't just keep filming new scenes (outside of a few touch-ups/fixes). Everything needs to be laid out before you start animating. That enforced discipline on them to get the story completed and to then animate it as written.

And good for them. Spider-verse is excellent.

“Racking up big expenses” as opposed to what? Everything Dis/Lucas/Pixar do involves overspending.

Better to spend big on filmmakers who have a proven track record and who know how to work until they have gold. Take a chance that you get a 21 Jump Street, Lego Movie, or Spiderverse. Instead Disney fired them and in exchange received a forgotten safe Ron Howard entry that went absolutely nowhere.