Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid

Jedijax719

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It has nothing to do with Disney making money. Everyone here wants Disney to prosper and make money. What they don't like, is the absolute lazy, creatively bankrupt way they are going about it. There was a time when Disney was "ok, just take my money!" For probably most people here. That's what people want them to get back to. Do the things that made everyone fall in love with the company in the first place.
That's on the executives. Let's not forget. There are still creative storytellers out there as well as those who want to bring interesting books to life. The problem is that they are all being rejected and told that their stories and adaptations won't make enough money. That's the sad part. There are TONS of potentially loved stories that will never be able to be told.
 

Disstevefan1

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Everything modern Disney creates is intended to be a safe cash cow devoid of artistic merit or social impact.
Have you watched the recent stuff?

They are not attempting to create safe cash cows.

Disney is expressing art in their movies, some will like it, some won’t. I think it’s simple as that. It is not for everybody Disney knows this when they create their art and that’s fine once you realize it.
 

Casper Gutman

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Everything modern Disney creates is intended to be a safe cash cow devoid of artistic merit or social impact. Live action remakes, of which the subject of this thread is one, are the worst example.

Making films that vaguely allude to supporting the current social milieu is not risk-taking.
I dislike the live-action remakes, but they are absolutely not "devoid of artistic merit." They are art, good or bad, and should be evaluated as such. The idea that art for profit is unartistic is an ancient elitist canard that should be derided and dismissed.

Its also incredibly disingenuous to downplay such films as "vaguely alluding to supporting the current social milieu." Deliberately risking the wrath of a huge and well-funded culture war outrage machine that gains power from negatively impacting the finances of companies that oppose them is actually a surprising and praiseworthy risk for a major entertainment conglomerate to willingly take. Acting as though there is some sort of widespread social agreement regarding minority representation is deeply disingenuous. And yes, representation makes a social impact, just as it always has.
 

Casper Gutman

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It has nothing to do with Disney making money. Everyone here wants Disney to prosper and make money. What they don't like, is the absolute lazy, creatively bankrupt way they are going about it. There was a time when Disney was "ok, just take my money!" For probably most people here. That's what people want them to get back to. Do the things that made everyone fall in love with the company in the first place.
When exactly was this golden age of Disney LIVE-ACTION film excellence?
 

Disstevefan1

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The idea that art for profit is unartistic is an ancient elitist canard that should be derided and dismissed.
Disney is releasing very artistic works.

It's just the profit they are struggling with.

Disney knows what they release will not make huge money, it's not about the money, it's about the expression of art.

If the object was to simply make money Disney would release stuff like The Super Mario Bros.
 

Casper Gutman

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Disney is releasing very artistic works.

It's just the profit they are struggling with.

Disney knows what they release will not make huge money, it's not about the money, it's about the expression of art.

If the object was to simply make money Disney would release stuff like The Super Mario Bros.
I disagree with this is well. Disney absolutely wants to make money first and foremost. That simply doesn't mean what they release isn't art.

Mario's art too.
 

Disstevefan1

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I disagree with this is well. Disney absolutely wants to make money first and foremost. That simply doesn't mean what they release isn't art.

Mario's art too.
I will disagree with making money is first and foremost when it comes to their movies.

Perhaps with their theme parks and cruise ships, yes.

I honestly think making money is not first and foremost for Disney when it comes to their movies.

Iger admits some folks won’t like their movies.

That’s perfectly fine in my mind. It’s true with all movies.

There are critics who dislike the Mario movie, but it’s very apparent a lot of folks like it.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
I disagree with this is well. Disney absolutely wants to make money first and foremost. That simply doesn't mean what they release isn't art.

Mario's art too.
"Disney" doesn't "want" anything because Disney is a multinational media conglomerate made up of hundreds of thousands of individuals who each have their own wants. Some of those individuals want Disney to make money. Some of them want to make money themselves. Some of them want to be agents of social change. Some of them want to be famous. Some of them just want to leave at 4:59 and spend the evenings with their wife and kids. Some of them want to create art. Some of them want to entertain people. Some of them want to leave a legacy.
 

Disstevefan1

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"Disney" doesn't "want" anything because Disney is a multinational media conglomerate made up of hundreds of thousands of individuals who each have their own wants. Some of those individuals want Disney to make money. Some of them want to make money themselves. Some of them want to be agents of social change. Some of them want to be famous. Some of them just want to leave at 4:59 and spend the evenings with their wife and kids. Some of them want to create art. Some of them want to entertain people. Some of them want to leave a legacy.
I agree, Disney doesn't want anything, and I am first to say when making movies, making money is not first and foremost.

Having said that they are also obligated to serve their majority shareholders too.
 

erasure fan1

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When exactly was this golden age of Disney LIVE-ACTION film excellence?
Who said anything about a golden age of live action? Disney has always struggled with live action. But they were the gold standard in theme parks and animation. Now they just want to repackage their classics for a safe pay check.
 

LittleBuford

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Who said anything about a golden age of live action? Disney has always struggled with live action. But they were the gold standard in theme parks and animation. Now they just want to repackage their classics for a safe pay check.
It’s disingenuous to say they’re just doing that when they’ve been coming out with original animated features on a regular basis.
 

erasure fan1

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It’s disingenuous to say they’re just doing that when they’ve been coming out with original animated features on a regular basis.
It's not disingenuous because I never said they weren't making original films. I said "it all boils down to quality content". And it isn't fair to expect fans to just show up to new content just because. They need to earn it with a string of quality films.
 

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