CaptainAmerica
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Sucky movies succeeding is how we get more sucky movies.
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Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid
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Californian Elitist
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You don’t think those behind the film would be unhappy if the movie bombed?
Californian Elitist
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Look to another movie production company then. You’re wasting your time with Disney.
This is childish and weird.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Disney's live-action movies (mostly) sucked big time way before the remakes.
But, what do I know, I'm just a pixie-dust-snorting shill.
Californian Elitist
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Perfect.
BlakeW39
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Honestly, me laughing at your post because I disagreed with it was rude and condescending, so I sincerely apologize for that. I've seen others on this site do it in the past and it's always come off as immature to me. However...
That isn't how this works, to put it bluntly. The working class people creating this film on a technical level aren't the ones who will suffer if this film loses money. They were already paid with money Disney spent making the film. The people who will lose if this film flops are executives who already have plenty more money that you, I, or the vast majority of people on this planet. So...
..the fact of the matter is that we are not childish for hoping this film fails financially. That's just how a free market economy works, or at least how it should. Good products succeed, bad products don't. Disney is making bad products. Bad films & shows, diminishing their brand image, and decreasing the quality of their parks. I want their bad products to fail financially so that they are forced to make good products again. There is nothing childish about that, but I do think it's childish to expect that I as a consumer shouldn't expect more, to think that bad products shouldn't fail, all products should succeed and the customers who don't like bad products can just buy something else. That's because...
Bad products are made at the expense of good products. Disney is choosing to make bad products instead of, not as well as, bad products. More people, including myself, would be happy if they started treating their brand with even a modicum of integrity, rather than spewing IP vomit all over the place. So yeah,
a couple might be. I mean, the executives who greenlit the film certainly will, but they don't care about our happiness so I don't know why we should give theirs priority. But I genuinely believe more people would be more happy if Disney corrected their course and improved the quality of the content they're pumping out. Across all of TWDC's divisions, including Lucasfilm, Marvel, and of course Disney Parks & Resorts.
Disstevefan1
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I will happily watch it on Disney+ when it gets there.
Disney Irish
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Hmm, you do realize this is backwards thinking and will have absolutely the opposite effect you think it will.
If movies fail in Hollywood it just causes the studios to retreat even more into the "safe mindless garbage" you are against. Its the exact reason why we studios keep pumping out sequel after sequel of safe money making mindless garbage. And why Disney is pushing out Toy Story 37 in a few years....
BlakeW39
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That is not correct. If spin-offs, remakes, sequels, and adaptations start to fail, Disney will have just three options: continue to make spin-offs/sequels/remakes/adaptations to their own financial detriment, make less content in general, or start creating new IPs again. TWDC currently believes recycling the same IPs over and over again is safe. We need to teach them that it isn't.
Californian Elitist
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My comment wasn’t about people not making money. I’m fully aware that they will be paid. Still, they put effort into the film. That’s what matters, personally. I’m not going to wish for movies to fail simply because I personally don’t like them.
It’s not a fact that you don’t find this kind of thinking childish. It’s an opinion. In my opinion, your behavior is childish. Wishing bad on the company you want to do well is contradicting, and, yeah, weird.
This is all subjective. Just because you think they’re making bad products, it doesn’t mean that they are for everyone else. There are people who don’t believe that Disney is putting out bad products. Do their opinions not count?
I believe life is too short to be wishing ill will on a company’s product simply because you don’t like it. Childish and immature, actually. Best bet is to find something else that makes you happy because Disney doesn’t care about our opinions. Not that much, anyway, especially if we’re just going to continue to give them money anyway. Waiting for Disney to produce a film that you personally find enjoyable may take a bunch of time.
When you say you believe more people will be happy with Disney if they changed, what are you basing this on, besides personal bias?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Again this is backwards thinking. The reason why they continue to recycle the same IP over and over is because it makes them money and is safe. They have done original stuff and its failed, hence why they keep going back to the same IP well over and over again, ie why take risks and lose money if the audience will just continue to only spend money on content based on existing IP.
In reality if you want them to take more risks and make more original content then you and the rest of the fan base has to support it when it comes out, even if you may not enjoy that particular piece of content. Its the only way to get them to take more risks in the future.
Jedijax719
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That pretty much sums it up. New IP's have been failing every since Avatar came out in 2009. Yeah, there have been some successful horror franchises but, well, that's not Disney's schtick. It sucks that new stuff cannot take off like back in the 80's or early 90's. And since no book series has generated the same level of popularity as Potter or even Hunger Games and (gag) Twilight, that opportunity has been lacking too.
As far as delving into known IP's, we have two situations. Remaking animated classics and keeping live action IP's going. The former garners a LOT of criticism due to a perceived lack of originality. The former ebbs and flows. MCU has had a tremendous run, then a drought, then it can have a great run again. Same with Star Wars. They can keep those going because the torch is constantly passed from generation to generation with those franchises (same reason WB and Amazon want to keep Potter and Middle Earth going respectively). But with animated tales, they can remake each once and, IF they are popular enough, continue stories with sequels or side adventures.
Seems the trend is to utilize known IP's just enough to tap familiarity and then branch off from there. It's harder to do with princess movies that multi-film franchises.
Californian Elitist
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Both of these posts make great points. Even before all the live-action remakes, Disney wasn’t making huge, popular hits. The last mega hit on their hands that is universally considered to be excellent and even Oscar-worthy is Curse of the Black Pearl. Before that, what was it?
People weren’t flocking to theaters to see their originals. As tiring and even annoying as it is, remaking their animated films for live-action absolutely IS safer than cranking out originals that likely most people don’t care for. People like familiarity. I also agree about people wishing for the live-action remakes to fail and championing originals. I hope you all showed up and showed out for Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day and A Wrinkle in Time.
Disney Irish
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I didn't show up for the former, but I did show up for the latter.
Ghost93
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Disney's live action movies tend to be fondly remembered by the generations that grew up with them and mostly forgotten by everyone else, because most range from mediocre to bad.
There are probably like 5 good-to-great live action movies per decade (going back to the 50s) and dozens of terrible ones per decade.
Disney Irish
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Nothing wrong with disagreeing. Also its not really that serious.Yeah, I'm sorry but some of these points are just simply ridiculous. Like sure, because I want Disney to stop recycling the same IPs over and over again means I have to support every new IP they createor perhaps that remakes beginning make less money will result in there being more remakes. Lol what. But, reply to this as you will. At the risk of sounding slightly rude, I really can't get myself into another one of these pointless arguments. We simply disagree.
Just remember though that Hollywood, including Disney, goes where the money is. So if you want more original content you have to be willing to shell out your dollars when that original content comes out, otherwise you get Fast and Furious 98.
Disney Irish
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Everything with Dean Jones and Kirk Russell was awesome.
Ghost93
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They have a certain charm (as do the movies with Hayley Mills), but I don't think I can objectively call a lot of the Jones/Russell movies classics.
Disney Irish
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Dunno, I would consider the whole Dexter Riley series classics, the same for Jones movies like the Ugly Dachshund and That Darn Cat.