Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid

[Tha Realest]

Good news is we can start discussing then next flop Elemental next week.

What’s the excuse for that one gonna be ?

“Chapek destroyed the brand”

 

[TalkingHead]

Funny thing about the internet is you can stop digging deeper into the hole at any point but, nah, keep digging.

 

[matt9112]

So looks like Asian markets really don’t care about this flick eh? Wonder why…

Granted aside the racial thing it seems like they missed the mark in simple plot terms and the lighting…..who thought that was a good idea?

 

[Jedijax719]

The first thing I wondered when they cast Halle was how the marketing of merchandise would go, particularly at WDW and DL. I had a knee jerk reaction at first but then heard her voice. I was sold and never thought it was any kind of "stunt" or "appeasement" casting. But I had to admit that I wondered what would happen when they sold both animated and live action Ariel stuff. Would someone buying animated Ariel stuff for their child be seen as racist? Then I realized that really is on the one interpreting and not on the one wearing or buying unless someone publicly makes a thing about it. And people can think what they want inside their own brains. So, in my opinion, that is the only potential issue for casting.

But that is a whole different topic from whether the movie is or isn't a success. But it is fair game. I think my question now is whether people feel they should have cast differently JUST to make more money in other countries, giving the movie more of a chance to make a billion? To me, THAT would have been more of a cash grab.

 

[Disstevefan1]

We should make a Disney Wheel of excuses.

Every time a movie comes out you give it a good spin.

It’s human nature. If they make a move and it loses money, folks want to figure out why.

It could simply be they spend too much to make and market them, it could be as simple as that.

 

[Tha Realest]

So looks like Asian markets really don’t care about this flick eh? Wonder why…

Granted aside the racial thing it seems like they missed the mark in simple plot terms and the lighting…..who thought that was a good idea?

I think that’s a reductionist viewpoint. As noted, Will Smith, Dwayne Johnson, and others are very popular in Asian markets, and Spider Man Across the Spiderverse is doing quite well

 

[matt9112]

I think that’s a reductionist viewpoint. As noted, Will Smith, Dwayne Johnson, and others are very popular in Asian markets, and Spider Man Across the Spiderverse is doing quite well

To be clear I wasn’t saying race was the only factor or even the biggest factor.

I guess gender matters? However it’s probably a combination of not knowing the actress. As in legitimately never having heard of her coupled with poor directing and production l. Some of the scenes many of them look terrible. It also lacks the feel of the original. So I think it looses points on nastalga too.

 

[Jedijax719]

I think that’s a reductionist viewpoint. As noted, Will Smith, Dwayne Johnson, and others are very popular in Asian markets, and Spider Man Across the Spiderverse is doing quite well

Might that be because Asians like big action, superheroes, and big movie stars they recognize, especially those in the action and superhero movies?

And if that sounds like a bad stereotyping generalization, it SURE beats the alternative.

 

[matt9112]

Might that be because Asians like big action, superheroes, and big movie stars they recognize, especially those in the action and superhero movies?

And if that sounds like a bad stereotyping generalization, it SURE beats the alternative.

The popularity of basketball would also throw off this notion but that too is tied to that larger than life “entertainer” “performer” stereotype.

 

[Angel Ariel]

So looks like Asian markets really don’t care about this flick eh? Wonder why…

Granted aside the racial thing it seems like they missed the mark in simple plot terms and the lighting…..who thought that was a good idea?

I haven't heard plot-related complaints. IMO, it actually fleshes out the plot and expands on both Ariel and Eric's characters quite well. The lighting is also not nearly as dark as the trailers make it seem. That's a trailer fail.

 

[Jedijax719]

To be clear I wasn’t saying race was the only factor or even the biggest factor.

I guess gender matters? However it’s probably a combination of not knowing the actress. As in legitimately never having heard of her coupled with poor directing and production l. Some of the scenes many of them look terrible. It also lacks the feel of the original. So I think it looses points on nastalga too.

Yeah, like that has ever stopped a movie from being a hit before (not that TLM has those issues you stated).

Perhaps China also felt they had their own mermaid in the movie called The Mermaid, which is one of the biggest movies in Chinese cinema history.

 

[DKampy]

I haven't heard plot-related complaints. IMO, it actually fleshes out the plot and expands on both Ariel and Eric's characters quite well. The lighting is also not nearly as dark as the trailers make it seem. That's a trailer fail

Especially since most of the complaints are coming from people who have not seen the movie and are only basing it off the trailer alone

 

[Phroobar]

This is not about anything other than better movies should make more money. Both movies are great, but the spider is simply a better movie.

It also shows that TLM has no legs.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Especially since most of the complaints are coming from people who have not seen the movie and are only basing it off the trailer alone

Those seeing it are outnumbered by those not by about 640:1…
Rough math

 

[Disstevefan1]

Those seeing it are outnumbered by those not by about 640:1…
Rough math

I am looking forward to when it's on D+ so I can watch it for "free" and see what the hoopla is all about.

BTW - Avatar is on D+ on June 7th - Looking forward to also seeing this one for "free" and having the ability to pause for breaks and rewind for when I fall asleep.

 

[Jedijax719]

You know, we thought of something. Next week we go to Universal for the first time. We can't wait, but what hits me is that most of the franchises represented there are either out of date or dying. So it occurred to us that the reason Disney keeps making remakes is to keep the "older" movies alive today to keep their parks and merchandize active and current. Yeah, there are differences, but maybe, just maybe, that while most have been successful on their own, they also revitalize interest in the classic animated versions at the same time which can generate more overall revenue.

It also shows that TLM has no legs.

Thanks for the fake news.

 

[Trauma]

You know, we thought of something. Next week we go to Universal for the first time. We can't wait, but what hits me is that most of the franchises represented there are either out of date or dying. So it occurred to us that the reason Disney keeps making remakes is to keep the "older" movies alive today to keep their parks and merchandize active and current. Yeah, there are differences, but maybe, just maybe, that while most have been successful on their own, they also revitalize interest in the classic animated versions at the same time which can generate more overall revenue.



Thanks for the fake news.

Harry Potter
Jurassic Park
NINTENDO
Spider-Man

These are dying?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You know, we thought of something. Next week we go to Universal for the first time. We can't wait, but what hits me is that most of the franchises represented there are either out of date or dying. So it occurred to us that the reason Disney keeps making remakes is to keep the "older" movies alive today to keep their parks and merchandize active and current. Yeah, there are differences, but maybe, just maybe, that while most have been successful on their own, they also revitalize interest in the classic animated versions at the same time which can generate more overall revenue.



Thanks for the fake news.

The Walt Disney company is a 100 year old, public traded company that is currently worth about $205 billion dollars (yikes…that’s down)

…try to keep excuses for a movie that isn’t doing well financially to 15-20 per thread?

It’s not personal to you

 

[Jedijax719]

Harry Potter
Jurassic Park
NINTENDO
Spider-Man

These are dying?

Okay maybe dying is the wrong word. But let's break it down:
Harry Potter (that's our "thing" and we have the trip package)-the last movies were NOT well received (but I TOTALLY give WB credit for trying completely new stories and REALLY hope for more other than the TV remake)
Jurassic: Dominion was also poorly received and killed the franchise for now. But a good tv show can revitalize.
Nintendo: not coming to the parks until 2025
Spiderman: Ironically., due to the Universal/Marvel/Disney contract, is still at Universal. But it is not updated for anything in the "modern age" and is still tied to the comic books. They could really use a boost and make it based on the Sony/MCU Spideys or, better yet, based on Miles.

But with Epic Adventure on the way, all the could change as they can bring in more and more (LOTR, Universal is coming for you!)

 

[Phroobar]

You know, we thought of something. Next week we go to Universal for the first time. We can't wait, but what hits me is that most of the franchises represented there are either out of date or dying. So it occurred to us that the reason Disney keeps making remakes is to keep the "older" movies alive today to keep their parks and merchandize active and current. Yeah, there are differences, but maybe, just maybe, that while most have been successful on their own, they also revitalize interest in the classic animated versions at the same time which can generate more overall revenue.



Thanks for the fake news.

Sure. Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is so current. Disneyland is full of dead IPs. Tomorrowland is a dead movie IP. They should revamp that land. I'd consider Pirates to be a dead movie IP yet the ride is still there. They should remove it for Turning Red arrr.