Disneyland's Rise Of The Resistance - Reviews, Criticism, Deep Thoughts

[Ismael Flores]

TDA better not screw this opening up because if they do then some people need to be shown the exit door. They also better be ready for the disappointed guests that might not get to experience the ride and have plenty of entertain and character interaction going on in Batuu.
Maybe its time they grab some of those overly priced stormtropers costumes from the shops and have some of the management get out there and entertain the crowds

 

[SSG]

TDA better not screw this opening up because if they do then some people need to be shown the exit door. They also better be ready for the disappointed guests that might not get to experience the ride and have plenty of entertain and character interaction going on in Batuu.
Maybe its time they grab some of those overly priced stormtropers costumes from the shops and have some of the management get out there and entertain the crowds

Do you know how much costumed characters cost? Disney pays those people tens of dollars.

 

[flynnibus]

Yeah, it's interesting. Will we get crickets again because AP people have lives and won't want to get there at opening for boarding pass or will opening mornings be packed?

People will do what the locals do in FL... show up in the AM, get a pass, leave and do other stuff, then come back.

 

[flynnibus]

Do we know if DLR will use a shorter return window than DHS is? 2hrs is a ton of time for something far more compact like DLR

 

[Phroobar]

Do you know how much costumed characters cost? Disney pays those people tens of dollars.

That is why we can't have nice things.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Do you know how much costumed characters cost? Disney pays those people tens of dollars.

then have them multi task, have them walk around in costume while selling those Batuu creatures while they are at it.

 

[lumberguy5]

TDA better not screw this opening up because if they do then some people need to be shown the exit door. They also better be ready for the disappointed guests that might not get to experience the ride and have plenty of entertain and character interaction going on in Batuu.
Maybe its time they grab some of those overly priced stormtropers costumes from the shops and have some of the management get out there and entertain the crowds

Characters are expensive, Florida is doing guest recovery the smarter way by handing out items that have no effective cost. Boarding group that doesn't get to ride. Recovery from a boarding group tomorrow to multiple FPs on later days to also giving entire boarding groups 1 day park tickets. It's easy to handout items like FP/BG allocations for another day to the Annual Passholders and not even effect park ops as they can pull the numbers before they open. The ride will breakdown alot if WDW is anything to go by, but guest relations can just wave some slips around and get the people to come back next week (and also spend another 30ish bucks in the park).

 

[Phroobar]

I don't think it will be as unreliable as the Florida version. This version was ready to open six months ago but needed extensive work. They should be in better shape than Florida's version that uses a less sophisticated ride system when it opens this week.

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

then have them multi task, have them walk around in costume while selling those Batuu creatures while they are at it.

Nope. Retail is union, characters are not.

 

[flynnibus]

I don't think it will be as unreliable as the Florida version. This version was ready to open six months ago but needed extensive work. They should be in better shape than Florida's version that uses a less sophisticated ride system when it opens this week.

What does any of this even mean? Your second line contradicts itself.... and the third means what? Its the same ride

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Rise of the Reliability

 

[TP2000]

Our gracious online host @wdwmagic has created a new thread for us to track Boarding Groups and ride access processes here, just like the DHS forum has (and was so valuable!).

The new thread can be found here, but really won't be needed until sunrise Friday. https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...d-using-boarding-groups-at-disneyland.962850/

I'll say here however that I'm looking forward to seeing how the Boarding Group game plays out here at Disneyland. At DHS it created a system where onsite tourists had to leave their rooms by 5am to guarantee a 6am arrival at DHS, and Orlando locals had to be pulling into the DHS parking lot by 6am to get a Boarding Group that were all gone for the day by 7:30am.

How will that work at Disneyland? I have no stats to back this up, but my hunch is that the far more streamlined and compact transportation logistics and pedestrian access for Disneyland can and will deliver a lot more people per hour right to the Disneyland main gate than is possible at DHS. Getting them in thru the turnstiles and on to Main Street USA may be the weak link, but there seems to be more angles of attack and more efficient systems for pedestrians to get to Disneyland's main gate at sunrise.

Something tells me this will be hysterically funny to watch play out!

 

[Ismael Flores]

Characters are expensive, Florida is doing guest recovery the smarter way by handing out items that have no effective cost. Boarding group that doesn't get to ride. Recovery from a boarding group tomorrow to multiple FPs on later days to also giving entire boarding groups 1 day park tickets. It's easy to handout items like FP/BG allocations for another day to the Annual Passholders and not even effect park ops as they can pull the numbers before they open. The ride will breakdown alot if WDW is anything to go by, but guest relations can just wave some slips around and get the people to come back next week (and also spend another 30ish bucks in the park).

oh come on you are talking about a company that sells soda bottles and water bottles for $6 to $7 with huge profit margins. At the wage characters are paid an extra $1500- $5000 dollars for opening weekend of pay for a an extra 10 or so characters is nothing. They pay way more on the snacks they give the press during the press junkets. It is a minimal cost to keep guests excited about the land and correct the bad word of mouth that the original opening received.

 

[flynnibus]

At DHS it created a system where onsite tourists had to leave their rooms by 5am to guarantee a 6am arrival at DHS, and Orlando locals had to be pulling into the DHS parking lot by 6am to get a Boarding Group that were all gone for the day by 7:30am.

Not true. Once they switched to opening BGs solely at opening time instead of gate opening time, guests only have to show up early enough to get through the gates before posted park opening time. This typically means giving yourself ~30mins cushion before opening time to be at the turnstyles to get into the park. Then it's lottery time when the BGs open. On busy days, the guaranteed BGs are gone in <10mins. On less crowded days the secondary BGs have been available for almost 2.5hrs.

Parking delays have been almost non-existent... as have transportation, as long as your method is running. People park in under 10mins. People are getting through security+gates in 20mins at peaks, and much less after the backups are drained. Buses obviously are on longer intervals and longer transport times. But people have been walking to the park easily after 6am for 7am openings.

Basically as long as people are arriving before 6:30am by whatever means... for a 7am opening they've been fine. Most have settled into the pattern that 30mins-1hr before opening is the optimal trade-off. Which really isn't any different than rope drop at any of the popular park openings.

I would expect DLR to follow the similar pattern DHS has settled into... open the gates early to Main Street to relieve the plaza people pressure.. and open BGs at posted time.

The question I have is if DLR will go rouge since they have a different App...

 

[TP2000]

Basically as long as people are arriving before 6:30am by whatever means... for a 7am opening they've been fine. Most have settled into the pattern that 30mins-1hr before opening is the optimal trade-off. Which really isn't any different than rope drop at any of the popular park openings.

I would expect DLR to follow the similar pattern DHS has settled into... open the gates early to Main Street to relieve the plaza people pressure.. and open BGs at posted time.

The question I have is if DLR will go rouge since they have a different App...

Oh, that's all great information! I admit I stopped following the DHS thread after a week or two, so they've obviously tweaked and improved the process since then.

I just wonder what that 6am to 9am arrival and Boarding Group frenzy will be like at Disneyland, especially when word gets out how fast Boarding Groups are gone each day? It seems like Disneyland has the ability to deliver a lot more people per hour to the main entrance than DHS does. From a quick Google search...

DHS Guest Parking Lot = 9,000 spaces (may be overstated, it was 6,500 spaces before 2018 expansion)
DHS Skyliner Extension = 2,150 passengers per hour
DHS Bus System = Who knows? Maybe a few thousand people per hour?
DHS Friendship Boats = 600 per hour max, with a boat arriving every 10 minutes?
Hotel Rooms within Walking Distance = 3,224 (Boardwalk 576, Beach Club 378, Swan 756, Dolphin 1,514)

Wild card is the use of Uber/Minnie Vans on both coasts. Versus Disneyland's compact setup with a higher capacity.

Disneyland Guest Parking Lots = 24,000 spaces (Toy Story Lot 7,500, Pixar Pals 6,200, Mickey & Friends 10,300)
ART/Hotel Shuttle System = Who knows? Esplanade loading zones seem to be on par with DHS setup, if not larger.
Hotel Rooms within Walking Distance = At least 10,000 of the Resort District's 25,000 rooms are within a four block radius of Disneyland entrance (GCH 750, DLH 990, Pier 481, Hilton 1,572, Marriott 800, etc., etc.)

But again, the weak link is the entry turnstiles. The transportation and sidewalks of Anaheim may be able to deliver 25,000 people per hour to the main entrance, but if the turnstiles can only process 10,000 per hour and Main Street USA can only hold 12,000 people before rope drop, then that's a problem.

I think the numbers and capacity favors Disneyland more than it does DHS. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out this weekend and how many folks actually show up at the turnstiles at sunrise. I won't be one of them, that's for sure!
I'll stay safely tucked in bed until it all calms down, and/or TDA figures out how to manage it all.

 

[flynnibus]

Oh, that's all great information! I admit I stopped following the DHS thread after a week or two, so they've obviously tweaked and improved the process.

I just wonder what that 6am to 9am arrival and Boarding Group frenzy will be like at Disneyland. It seems like Disneyland has the ability to deliver a lot more people to the main entrance than DHS does. And at DHS there are only From a quick Google search...

DHS Parking Lot = 9,000 spaces
DHS Skyliner Line = 2,150 per hour
DHS Bus System = Who knows? Maybe a few thousand people per hour?
DHS Friendship Boats = Who knows? 100 passengers per boat, maybe 600 per hour max, with a boat arriving every 10 minutes?
Hotel Rooms within Walking Distance = 3,224 (Boardwalk 576, Beach Club 378, Swan 756, Dolphin 1,514)

Versus Disneyland's compact setup with a higher capacity.

Disneyland Parking Lots/Structures = 24,000 spaces (Toy Story Lot 7,500, Pixar Pals 6,500, Mickey & Friends 10,000)
ART/Hotel Shuttle System = Who knows? Esplanade loading zones seem to be on par with DHS setup, if not larger.
Hotel Rooms within Walking Distance = At least 10,000 of the Resort District's 25,000 rooms are within a four block radius of Disneyland entrance (GCH 750, DLH 990, Pier 481, Hilton 1,572, Marriott 600, etc., etc.)

But again, the weak link is the entry turnstiles. The transportation and sidewalks of Anaheim may be able to deliver 25,000 people per hour to the main entrance, but if the turnstiles can only process 10,000 per hour and Main Street USA can only hold 12,000 people before rope drop, then that's a problem.

I think the numbers and capacity favors Disneyland more than it does DHS. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out this weekend and how many folks actually show up at the turnstiles at sunrise. I won't be one of them, that's for sure! I'll stay away until it all calms down, and/or TDA figures out how to manage it all.

But this is kinda apples and oranges because throughput to the plaza area isn't really the limiting factor. In the early mornings people trickle in vs 'all trying to arrive at once' because their transportation options are varied and their actual arrival time is not really synchronized. They aren't all trying to arrive right at opening. This diffuses the concurrency.

In DHS for instance - people were primarily walking, driving, ride share drop off, and bus drops from all over the property. Capacity to get to the gate was never an issue. What becomes an issue is the security risk of the large crowd outside the security zone and the bottleneck that the gates become. It's a security and safety hazard.

There was also the problem of 'escalating how early..' people would show up, but once Disney changed BGs to the fixed time instead of 'when you got in the park' it changed it from 'first come, first serve' to effectively a lottery. As long as you were present in the park at the set time, you had a chance at the lottery. This diffuses the escalating race to be first/early in line.

At DLR, you have walking, ART/etc buses, and the trams feeding to the security gates. You will have the same concerns about large groups outside the security screening area... so it will be interesting to see the time schedule Disney will open the security screening and parking garages. Cars backing up onto the highway and local street are a much bigger concern at DLR and DLR is more car centric. I wonder if Disney may do something creative like only open one of the parking lots early and force people on buses?

I think the parking/traffic snafu is actually the bigger issue at DLR along with the messier security boundaries due to DTD.

Whatever that plan.. once people get to the esplanade... Disney has the whole rope drop thing pretty well figured out. I would expect them to open the turnstyles early to relieve that bottleneck... allow people up to the hub... and do the usual 'guided group' thing to avoid stampedes to the high demand areas.

 

[BalooChicago]

Party of three. Do we all have to be in park to get a BG, or if I go early can I grab a BG for all three of us with them getting to the park later?

 

[TP2000]

Party of three. Do we all have to be in park to get a BG, or if I go early can I grab a BG for all three of us with them getting to the park later?

Nope, all three people must be scanned into the park with their own ticket to be eligible to grab a Boarding Group. You'll also want to link all three tickets to the same account via the App before you get a Boarding Group to avoid getting split up into random Boarding Groups.

Isn't this fun?! You're on vacation!

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

I know he’s from Southpark but not sure what this means

One time Cartman owned a theme park just for himself and advertised it as no one can come in which made people want to come in even more. Over time due to the costs of runing a theme park he had to open it to the public and it became a cash cow but he was upset he no longer had the place to himself so he sold it and lost out on millions.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Here is a link. Pretty much saying people can't come makes them want to come even more. So my point was this is what disney was doing by having boarding groups.