DisneylandForward

[Purduevian]

I'm trying to think of the longest "nothing" stretch in a Disney Park with no food, shops, or attractions. Best one I could think of off of my head was from Satu'li Canteen to Festival of the Lion King (I don't count the restrooms) ~1000 feet of nothing but trees, a river, and a restroom.

Compared to potential DL and DCA routes:

 

[Consumer]

I'm trying to think of the longest "nothing" stretch in a Disney Park with no food, shops, or attractions. Best one I could think of off of my head was from Satu'li Canteen to Festival of the Lion King (I don't count the restrooms) ~1000 feet of nothing but trees, a river, and a restroom.
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Compared to potential DL and DCA routes:
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Why are we assuming there would be nothing along those stretches? FDR Dr and 478 both run under Battery Park in NYC. The entire street could easily be enclosed in a similar tunnel with restaurants and shops along the stretch.

We'll use the green to represent the land bridges, the red for attraction space, and the blue for shops/restaurants. With proper engineering, there is no logical reason this couldn't work, more or less. This would help ease the transition and prevent guests from feeling like they're exiting the berm into a tacked on land.

Effectively, this is no different than having a subway tunnel beneath a skyscraper or the dozens of bridges with buildings on them, many of which date back to the Middle Ages. The only problem is this would require a temporary closure of Disneyland Dr. with the road itself being sunken down, which would be a tremendous cost, far more than I'm sure Disney would want to spend.

 

[Purduevian]

Why are we assuming there would be nothing along those stretches?

The only problem is this would require a temporary closure of Disneyland Dr. with the road itself being sunken down, which would be a tremendous cost, far more than I'm sure Disney would want to spend.

Yeah it all comes down to money IMHO. I'm guessing it will look a little more dressed up than the DTD or the bridge by EPCOT that goes over a road and waterway (I never knew there even was a road there for a very long time).

 

[PiratesMansion]

I'm trying to think of the longest "nothing" stretch in a Disney Park with no food, shops, or attractions. Best one I could think of off of my head was from Satu'li Canteen to Festival of the Lion King (I don't count the restrooms) ~1000 feet of nothing but trees, a river, and a restroom.
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Compared to potential DL and DCA routes:
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Not sure how it compares, but the walk from Hungry Bear to Rise feels like it takes forever. It's such a jarring contrast when compared to the rest of the park.

 

[mickEblu]

Not sure how it compares, but the walk from Hungry Bear to Rise feels like it takes forever. It's such a jarring contrast when compared to the rest of the park.

If Disneyland Forward moves forward on the Disneyland side (which I hope it doesn’t not or at least not for a long time after the DCA expansion and when the park is is in better hands) I propose a People Mover from this area to the new lands. This area meaning the GE area on the way to ROTR. Not Critter Country. Ideally of course the station would be on village side and not the more rustic ROTR side.

 

[Nirya]

The path to the new lands is going to be walkable, full stop. Disney is not going to want to slow down the rate at which people enter any new lands with some system that could theoretically break down.

 

[PiratesMansion]

The path to the new lands is going to be walkable, full stop. Disney is not going to want to slow down the rate at which people enter any new lands with some system that could theoretically break down.

Definitely the case, but it would be nice to also have a transportation option, if only for some added ambiance.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney will set up two emergency rescue stations at either end of the bridges. They'll be ready to rescue anyone who passes out attempting to traverse the bridges.

 

[etc98]

Why are we assuming there would be nothing along those stretches? FDR Dr and 478 both run under Battery Park in NYC. The entire street could easily be enclosed in a similar tunnel with restaurants and shops along the stretch.
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We'll use the green to represent the land bridges, the red for attraction space, and the blue for shops/restaurants. With proper engineering, there is no logical reason this couldn't work, more or less. This would help ease the transition and prevent guests from feeling like they're exiting the berm into a tacked on land.
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Effectively, this is no different than having a subway tunnel beneath a skyscraper or the dozens of bridges with buildings on them, many of which date back to the Middle Ages. The only problem is this would require a temporary closure of Disneyland Dr. with the road itself being sunken down, which would be a tremendous cost, far more than I'm sure Disney would want to spend.

I feel like they need to do this too for sound. On that downtown Disney bridge you can still hear the traffic, especially when cars are speeding or revving their engines. Having the bridge lined with buildings could help dampen the sound of the road

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

OC Register talking about the possibility of a monorail extension as part of the DisneylandForward project:

Disneyland theme park expansion may extend monorail route

The potential extension of the Disneyland Monorail is buried deep in the 17,000-page Environmental Impact Report for Disney’s expansion initiative known as DisneylandForward.

www.ocregister.com

Pointing out the need for the GardenWalk property to do so:

Connecting Disneyland and Disney California Adventure to the Toy Story parking lot via monorail would likely involve a route through Anaheim GardenWalk — an outdoor shopping mall that Disneyland does not own.

 

[Disney Irish]

OC Register talking about the possibility of a monorail extension as part of the DisneylandForward project:

Disneyland theme park expansion may extend monorail route

The potential extension of the Disneyland Monorail is buried deep in the 17,000-page Environmental Impact Report for Disney’s expansion initiative known as DisneylandForward.

www.ocregister.com

Pointing out the need for the GardenWalk property to do so:

Nice to know its being reported on, but they must be reading these threads for story ideas....

Thinking about this as if the only need for Gardenwalk in DisneylandForward is for monorail right-of-way, then Disney may not actually need to own it. Now obviously for future area improvements and more contiguous land it would make more sense for Disney to own it. But deals could be worked out where the monorail can pass overhead without having Disney buy the entire property.

But Disney should seriously look at buying it when its up for sale again in a few years.

 

[mickEblu]

OC Register talking about the possibility of a monorail extension as part of the DisneylandForward project:

Disneyland theme park expansion may extend monorail route

The potential extension of the Disneyland Monorail is buried deep in the 17,000-page Environmental Impact Report for Disney’s expansion initiative known as DisneylandForward.

www.ocregister.com

Pointing out the need for the GardenWalk property to do so:

The wait for that Monorail would be rough. Still, bring it on.

 

[Purduevian]

Not sure how it compares, but the walk from Hungry Bear to Rise feels like it takes forever. It's such a jarring contrast when compared to the rest of the park.

Probably the longest current "dead" space in DLR. ~500 feet. Could be similar to what the length of the bridge would be... I always forget how large SWGE is with only 2 attractions until I look at a map...

 

[DrAlice]

Monorail isn't a viable option as a major mode of transportation around the resort (like at WDW) unless they fix the lack of A/C problem. You can't rely on a system that has to close every time the weather gets too warm.

Well... I mean, you could.... but that would be silly.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

The wait for that Monorail would be rough. Still, bring it on.

The current ride on the monorail is rough. I won't go on it anymore. I would be happy for any excuse for the beam to be rebuilt, not just patched. Other sites have pointed out its current condition seems less than optimal.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Jokes on us, 50 billion of the 60 billion dollar park investment is just to retrack the Disneyland Monorail.

 

[DrAlice]

Just a reminder that the announcement said they were planning to add $60 billion in spending to the Parks, Experiences, and Products division. That's not just parks. Cruise ships, upcharge stuff experiences, and design of new popcorn buckets all fall under this heading too. Adjust your expectations accordingly.

 

[shambolicdefending]

I'm guessing the 60 billion is a blue sky number that they have PR reasons for hyping. In reality they will probably spend well short of that amount, especially if economic uncertainty persists.

I mean, 60 billion would build a couple of brand new full park resorts from scratch. It's actually pretty hard for a company to spend that much money in a 10-year time frame.

 

[J4546]

I'm guessing the 60 billion is a blue sky number that they have PR reasons for hyping. In reality they will probably spend well short of that amount, especially if economic uncertainty persists.

I mean, 60 billion would build a couple of brand new full park resorts from scratch. It's actually pretty hard for a company to spend that much money in a 10-year time frame.

id rather the 60bil go into existing parks than building all new ones....though I wouldnt mind seeing Shanghai or HK get a sister park, that may entice me to visit one of those resorts.

 

[Phroobar]

Odds are in the next ten years the Shanghai park will be nationalized.