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[SteveAZee]

DLR has a built in-park hotel with the Grand Californian and it flows wonderfully, even if it does take up far too much of DCA's expansion space. Obviously the Mira Costa is the prime example of in-park hotel. Could Disney do something like that with the Paradise Pier Hotel? I don't know, but it would certainly be challenging given its height. If Disney wanted to make a land themed to a major metropolis, such as a Marvel NYC themed land, then it could work great, but obviously something like Avatar or Moana would be trickier.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Magic Awaits as Disney Unveils Enchanting "Hotel Haven" at Disneyland Resort!

ANAHEIM, CA — In a landmark announcement today, Disney is thrilled to introduce "Hotel Haven," an extraordinary addition to the Disneyland Resort that promises to redefine the art of hospitality and immerse guests in the unparalleled magic of Disney. Set to open its doors in 2024, Hotel Haven will be a whimsical wonderland where dreams come true, featuring enchanting accommodations, world-class dining, and unique, immersive experiences that transport guests into the heart of their favorite Disney tales. Whether you're a first-time visitor or a seasoned Disney enthusiast, Hotel Haven will be an unforgettable destination where the enchantment of Disney storytelling seamlessly blends with the comfort and luxury of a world-class resort.

But that's not all! Hotel Haven will also introduce two enchanting attractions that celebrate the magic of hotels like never before. First, guests can experience the thrill of "Bellhop Tower," a spine-tingling elevator adventure that takes you on a heart-pounding journey through the zany and mysterious world of hotel staff, where unexpected surprises await at every turn. Then, for those seeking a more relaxing but equally immersive experience, "Dreamer's Retreat" will offer guests a serene voyage through the captivating history of famous Disney-inspired hotels, where you can explore their fascinating stories and even step into beautifully recreated hotel suites from your beloved Disney classics. With Hotel Haven's extraordinary accommodations and these captivating attractions, your stay will be an adventure in itself. Stay tuned for more details and prepare to embark on a journey like never before when Hotel Haven becomes your new gateway to the Disney enchantment!

 

[J4546]

what is this?

 

[DLR92]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Magic Awaits as Disney Unveils Enchanting "Hotel Haven" at Disneyland Resort!

ANAHEIM, CA — In a landmark announcement today, Disney is thrilled to introduce "Hotel Haven," an extraordinary addition to the Disneyland Resort that promises to redefine the art of hospitality and immerse guests in the unparalleled magic of Disney. Set to open its doors in 2024, Hotel Haven will be a whimsical wonderland where dreams come true, featuring enchanting accommodations, world-class dining, and unique, immersive experiences that transport guests into the heart of their favorite Disney tales. Whether you're a first-time visitor or a seasoned Disney enthusiast, Hotel Haven will be an unforgettable destination where the enchantment of Disney storytelling seamlessly blends with the comfort and luxury of a world-class resort.

But that's not all! Hotel Haven will also introduce two enchanting attractions that celebrate the magic of hotels like never before. First, guests can experience the thrill of "Bellhop Tower," a spine-tingling elevator adventure that takes you on a heart-pounding journey through the zany and mysterious world of hotel staff, where unexpected surprises await at every turn. Then, for those seeking a more relaxing but equally immersive experience, "Dreamer's Retreat" will offer guests a serene voyage through the captivating history of famous Disney-inspired hotels, where you can explore their fascinating stories and even step into beautifully recreated hotel suites from your beloved Disney classics. With Hotel Haven's extraordinary accommodations and these captivating attractions, your stay will be an adventure in itself. Stay tuned for more details and prepare to embark on a journey like never before when Hotel Haven becomes your new gateway to the Disney enchantment!

DL hotel has no fine dining! Where the restaurant? Lol

 

[lazyboy97o]

Everything they're showing is 100% hypothetical. I wouldn't take anything in the Disneyland Foward plans as gospel except for what land will be utilized. The attraction mix is just trying to get people excited so that people vote in Disney's favor.

The attractions are not just to get people excited and sway votes. In order to do these sort of impact studies and understand the plan you have to have something to work with as part of the process.

Part of the problem is that the types of images usually shown associated with any design project doesn’t really tell the public anything about how much work has actually been done. Even if there were fully developed construction documents (“blueprints”) associated with these plans, the whole thing was “shovel ready”, the plans at this scale wouldn’t really look all that different. Or compare the aerial images released this year of the ideas for Dinoland USA, they’re not that much different than the aerial image released of New Fantasyland which came after more detailed plans had already leaked online. Images with relatively similar amounts of information can be anything from the result of a quick charrette to years of detailed work. Combine that with a general unawareness of how much work goes into actual design and people naturally assume released images always represent more work than they may actually reflect.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'm surprised this didn't get picked up by anyone earlier....



So potential return of the Peoplemover and Skyway, I'm in....

 

[Consumer]

I'm surprised this didn't get picked up by anyone earlier....



So potential return of the Peoplemover and Skyway, I'm in....

Replacing the trams with a People Mover would be a dream.

This also just brought to mind, does anyone recall an old piece of concept art of the Downtown Disney which had a lake and boats that would take guests to Disneyland, instead of a tram? I'll try to find it but if anybody has it, please share.

EDIT:
Easier to find than I thought, although it seems I misremembered the boats serving as a tram. It appears here the trams were replaced by People Movers, which makes a lot of sense.

Here's a piece of concept art for Westcot that really shows the Downtown Disney district and the proposed artificial lake.

Although I hold that DCA is a better concept than Westcot, I do deeply wish the plans for infrastructure in the Resort from this era saw follow through.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm surprised this didn't get picked up by anyone earlier....



So potential return of the Peoplemover and Skyway, I'm in....

I wonder how themed a tram could be with a $50 budget?

 

[chadwpalm]

Has a link to the DRSP for this been posted here yet? I tried to look back and didn't see it. I also didn't see it in the MiceChat article, but I skimmed quickly.

If not, here it is: Appendix-M-Disneyland-Resort-Specific-Plan-DRSP

And if it has, I apologize.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm surprised this didn't get picked up by anyone earlier....



So potential return of the Peoplemover and Skyway, I'm in....

This would be very cool. Skyway into DCA expansion from Pixar Pier. People mover into DL expansion from Galaxies Edge. They’d obviously still need bridges or alternate entrances. Forcing everyone get into the new lands by skyway or people mover sounds like an operational nightmare.

 

[Consumer]

Has a link to the DRSP for this been posted here yet? I tried to look back and didn't see it. I also didn't see it in the MiceChat article, but I skimmed quickly.

If not, here it is: Appendix-M-Disneyland-Resort-Specific-Plan-DRSP

And if it has, I apologize.

Thanks for sharing. Interesting how they include Gardenwalk as part of the Disneyland Resort plans.

Here's what the document says about Anaheim Gardenwalk:

The Anaheim GardenWalk Overlay encompasses District A and the portion of the Parking District(East Parking Area)/C-R Overlay south of Disney Way (approximately 29.1 acres). This Overlay is a special provision of the Specific Plan that provides for the development of the Anaheim GardenWalk Lifestyle Retail and Entertainment complex/project subject to the approval of Conditional Use Permit No. 4078, as amended. The Anaheim GardenWalk project includes the following: 590,265 gross square feet of specialty retail/dining/entertainment uses, including movie theaters; 1,628 hotel rooms/suites (including up to500 Vacation Ownership Resort Units) and278,817 gross square feet of hotel accessory uses; and parking facilities with up to 4,800 striped parking spaces and 15 bus parking spaces with a7,700 gross square foot bus terminal/transportation center for airport transport and to/from sightseeing venues. The Anaheim GardenWalk project will be an integrated development to be constructed in two areas(Areas A and B, as identified in Exhibit 1.1d(Anaheim GardenWalk Overlay)).

Area A encompasses approximately 20.3 acres of the project site, with 460,115 square feet of specialty retail, restaurants, and entertainment uses, including movie theaters; 1,266 hotel rooms(including up to 400 vacation ownership units) and216,820 square feet of hotel accessory uses, The Disneyland Resort Specific Plan 1.0 Executive Summary DRAFT FOR PUBLIC REVIEW (SEPT 2023)1-7transportation center, and 3,200 parking spaces. The main retail concourse and 3,076 parking spaces will be developed first, followed by the hotels and the remaining 124 parking stalls.

The remaining 8.8 acres (Area B) would be developed as a subsequent phase with up to130,150 square feet of specialty retail, restaurants and entertainment uses, 362 hotel rooms(including up to 100 vacation ownership units) and61,997 square feet of hotel accessory uses, and1,600 parking spaces.

 

[Disney Irish]

Replacing the trams with a People Mover would be a dream.

This also just brought to mind, does anyone recall an old piece of concept art of the Downtown Disney which had a lake and boats that would take guests to Disneyland, instead of a tram? I'll try to find it but if anybody has it, please share.

EDIT:
Easier to find than I thought, although it seems I misremembered the boats serving as a tram. It appears here the trams were replaced by People Movers, which makes a lot of sense.
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Here's a piece of concept art for Westcot that really shows the Downtown Disney district and the proposed artificial lake.
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Although I hold that DCA is a better concept than Westcot, I do deeply wish the plans for infrastructure in the Resort from this era saw follow through.
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I personally would have preferred WestCot over DCA, it was a better concept.

 

[Disney Irish]

Thanks for sharing. Interesting how they include Gardenwalk as part of the Disneyland Resort plans.
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Here's what the document says about Anaheim Gardenwalk:

I wouldn't read too much into the Gardenwalk sections.

Its not like Disney owns it at this point anyways....

 

[Disney Irish]

This would be very cool. Skyway into DCA expansion from Pixar Pier. People mover into DL expansion from Galaxies Edge. They’d obviously still need bridges or alternate entrances. Forcing everyone get into the new lands by skyway or people mover sounds like an operational nightmare.

Guess it really depends on if this is really them looking to extend DL and DCA, or if it could turn into a 3rd gate project....

As I've always wondered how they would have foot traffic from say the esplanade into the new areas, ie a new gate(s). Or if it'll require entrance into DL and DCA first before and then walk/transport into the new areas. Plus then is each expansion area separated by a berm, ie DL sticks with DL and DCA sticks with DCA, or is it opened to crossing over into each expansion area.

Lots of questions still unanswered, hope this continues to move forward so we can find out.

 

[Disney Irish]

I wonder how themed a tram could be with a $50 budget?

$50 worth of glitter?

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

I'm surprised this didn't get picked up by anyone earlier....



So potential return of the Peoplemover and Skyway, I'm in....

The site that cannot be named posted about it a few days ago.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

I wonder how themed a tram could be with a $50 budget?

6 College Program kids, stencils and paint.

 

[Disney Irish]

The site that cannot be named posted about it a few days ago.

Yep, but not everyone reads that site and it wasn't mentioned in this thread hence why I said that and posted it.....

 

[Consumer]

I personally would have preferred WestCot over DCA, it was a better concept.

Meh. Westcot really didn’t offer anything new conceptually, it was just a micro, inferior Epcot and that would have been it’s reputation had it opened. California Adventure is a unique idea that has an amazing potential to explore the diverse beauty of the state in a way no other Disney park can. Obviously, DCA has failed to live up to that potential, but I hold that a theme park celebrating California is conceptually far more interesting than Westcot.

I wouldn't read too much into the Gardenwalk sections.

Its not like Disney owns it at this point anyways....

Right, which is partially why I found it so interesting. If you look at the Resort plans from the 90s I posted, you can see that plot was also going to utilize the GardenWalk plot. I don’t believe any of the proposed Disneyland Forward ideas will come to fruition, but I’m wondering if Disney is regretting not having bought GardenWalk when they had the chance.

 

[mickEblu]

Guess it really depends on if this is really them looking to extend DL and DCA, or if it could turn into a 3rd gate project....

As I've always wondered how they would have foot traffic from say the esplanade into the new areas, ie a new gate(s). Or if it'll require entrance into DL and DCA first before and then walk/transport into the new areas. Plus then is each expansion area separated by a berm, ie DL sticks with DL and DCA sticks with DCA, or is it opened to crossing over into each expansion area.

Lots of questions still unanswered, hope this continues to move forward so we can find out.

Yeah lots of possibilities.

Perhaps a second esplanade separating two new gates into expanded DL and DCA around where the ESPN zone is now. Not sure if the new DTD expansion prohibits this. My bet would be a DCA expansion at first with a bridge from Pixar Pier or vehicle (much less likely) taking you to the expansion land. Then maybe further down the line a DL expansion over on the other side.

 

[Disney Irish]

Meh. Westcot really didn’t offer anything new conceptually, it was just a micro, inferior Epcot and that would have been it’s reputation had it opened. California Adventure is a unique idea that has an amazing potential to explore the diverse beauty of the state in a way no other Disney park can. Obviously, DCA has failed to live up to that potential, but I hold that a theme park celebrating California is conceptually far more interesting than Westcot.

Obviously opinions vary, but for me WestCot just would have been more interesting to me personally. I've lived in the state almost my entire life and have seen almost all of California for real, I don't need to visit a theme park version of it. I get why some liked its original concept and respect that opinion, but it just never worked for me.

But lets not turn this into a DCA history thread and take this off topic.

Right, which is partially why I found it so interesting. If you look at the Resort plans from the 90s I posted, you can see that plot was also going to utilize the GardenWalk plot. I don’t believe any of the proposed Disneyland Forward ideas will come to fruition, but I’m wondering if Disney is regretting not having bought GardenWalk when they had the chance.

I think its included as its part of the overall district and there are continued plans to develop it.

I doubt Disney is having many regrets about GardenWalk at this point. They probably think as many here do, it'll be up for sale again in a few years. So they'll get another shot if they really want it.