Rumor Disneyland Tomorrowland Future - What to do?

[socalifornian]

These are the hourly capacities for the attractions that are either rumored to be, or theoretically on the chopping block for any sort of update..
Buzz Lightyear - 1,700
Star Tours - 1,450
Autopia - 2,800
Magic Eye Theater - 2,300
Nemo Subs - 850
Astro Orbiter - 650

Tron is apparently 3,500. If a similar version of Tron is coming with a similar hourly capacity, that means 6,250 worth of hourly capacity will have been lost in Tomorrowland. This number would just be in order to match the land’s capacity to what it currently is. I wonder how much this would be prioritized when pursuing this update.

New lands only seem to have 2-3 rides these days. I hope they realize this needs to be a net gain if it happens

 

[Ismael Flores]

here is a quick somewhat cleaned up version of the above.

The red indicates the new monorail layout. I also changed the supposedly new layout for the monorail if the eastern gateway gets approved and the tracks are changed.

Something like this wouldn't be too bad and they would be able to keep a portion of the water feature from the submarine depending on how the entrance to the show building is handled. I doubt that would be the case

 

[Ismael Flores]

These are the hourly capacities for the attractions that are either rumored to be, or theoretically on the chopping block for any sort of update..
Buzz Lightyear - 1,700
Star Tours - 1,450
Autopia - 2,800
Magic Eye Theater - 2,300
Nemo Subs - 850
Astro Orbiter - 650

Tron is apparently 3,500. If a similar version of Tron is coming with a similar hourly capacity, that means 6,250 worth of hourly capacity will have been lost in Tomorrowland. This number would just be in order to match the land’s capacity to what it currently is. I wonder how much this would be prioritized when pursuing this update.

well you can eliminate about 2250 off magic eye theater since that place usually has about a dozen people for each showing.

 

[Phroobar]

I think it's funny that Shanghai's Tomorrowland can fit inside Disneyland's.

 

[Ismael Flores]

seriously though if they do this right and they do something like the last picture i posted they can easily save

Buzzlightyear - 1,700
Star Tours - 1450
Astro orbitor - 650
magic eye theater - 2,300

for only a net loss of 150. They would gain that back if they would do something worthwhile in the magic eye theater.

The ideal thing of course would be to gut Buzz Lightyear and Star Tours and replace it with something new.

 

[truecoat]

well you can eliminate about 2250 off magic eye theater since that place usually has about a dozen people for each showing.

Yeah, counting the Magic Eye theater is counting phantom capacity.

 

[Disney Irish]

These are the hourly capacities for the attractions that are either rumored to be, or theoretically on the chopping block for any sort of update..
Buzz Lightyear - 1,700
Star Tours - 1,450
Autopia - 2,800
Magic Eye Theater - 2,300
Nemo Subs - 850
Astro Orbiter - 650

Tron is apparently 3,500. If a similar version of Tron is coming with a similar hourly capacity, that means 6,250 worth of hourly capacity will have been lost in Tomorrowland. This number would just be in order to match the land’s capacity to what it currently is. I wonder how much this would be prioritized when pursuing this update.

seriously though if they do this right and they do something like the last picture i posted they can easily save

Buzzlightyear - 1,700
Star Tours - 1450
Astro orbitor - 650
magic eye theater - 2,300

for only a net loss of 150. They would gain that back if they would do something worthwhile in the magic eye theater.

The ideal thing of course would be to gut Buzz Lightyear and Star Tours and replace it with something new.

Exactly, you can't count MET as its a glorified preview center now. So adding up the rest and Tron replaces that capacity. Add in another C-D attraction somewhere and TL is better off in capacity than it is now. Not to mention a refresh of the entire land, and hopefully they upgrade SM again in the process.

 

[SuddenStorm]

If they considered restoring the Rocket Jets to the proper location but didn't... they're fools.

I get that it's "expensive", but with all the hacking going on around the rest of park, it would've been nice for Project Stardust to actually add something... plus the bit of fan service and HUGE crowd flow improvements, it seems like a win win.

This further reinforces my feeling that Project Stardust is a gratuitous move that was hastily implemented and poorly thought out from the top down. Moves like getting rid of the planter along the HM, but realizing it was actually valuable seating and putting benches there (completely invalidating the space saved)- or removing curbs around the most aesthetically pleasing location in the park while leaving the biggest choke point in the park in place (Astro Orbitor) is ridiculous. Not to mention all the seating that was removed in Tomorrowland.

 

[TROR]

Tron at Shanghai is an ugly ride that fits into the sterile Communist idea of the future, not the optimistic vision of America. It's distinctly Chinese.

 

[Phroobar]

Tron at Shanghai is an ugly ride that fits into the sterile Communist idea of the future, not the optimistic vision of America. It's distinctly Chinese.

It's not very big either. Their entire Tomorrowland fits instead a third of Disneyland's and only have two rides.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Tron at Shanghai is an ugly ride that fits into the sterile Communist idea of the future, not the optimistic vision of America. It's distinctly Chinese.

It's also a ridiculous ride. When I think "light cycle" I don't think of a large, outdoor roller coaster.... I think an indoor, high speed dark ride with immersive screen, lighting, and physical sets to give the illusion of being inside Tron.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Last time I was at DL, Tomorrowland had relatively few people in it in attractions like Launch Bay etc.
Demo it all save Space Mountain and move on. I'll miss the Subs, but if done right, it will all be worth it. Tomorrowland as it stands is an embarrassment.

 

[mickEblu]

If they considered restoring the Rocket Jets to the proper location but didn't... they're fools.

I get that it's "expensive", but with all the hacking going on around the rest of park, it would've been nice for Project Stardust to actually add something... plus the bit of fan service and HUGE crowd flow improvements, it seems like a win win.

This further reinforces my feeling that Project Stardust is a gratuitous move that was hastily implemented and poorly thought out from the top down. Moves like getting rid of the planter along the HM, but realizing it was actually valuable seating and putting benches there (completely invalidating the space saved)- or removing curbs around the most aesthetically pleasing location in the park while leaving the biggest choke point in the park in place (Astro Orbitor) is ridiculous. Not to mention all the seating that was removed in Tomorrowland.

I agree with all this but just to play devils advocate they can say that the benches can be removed on really busy days where the planter in front of HM couldn’t be.

But then again, when is it not busy at Disneyland?

 

[mickEblu]

I'm ok with Tron coming to Anaheim if that means that the land will get the upper walkways as well. It could definately add the visuals that the land has been missing for a while.

I’m good with it but it depends on how they integrate it with the Tomorrowland/ the Hub

 

[mickEblu]

These are the hourly capacities for the attractions that are either rumored to be, or theoretically on the chopping block for any sort of update..
Buzz Lightyear - 1,700
Star Tours - 1,450
Autopia - 2,800
Magic Eye Theater - 2,300
Nemo Subs - 850
Astro Orbiter - 650

Tron is apparently 3,500. If a similar version of Tron is coming with a similar hourly capacity, that means 6,250 worth of hourly capacity will have been lost in Tomorrowland. This number would just be in order to match the land’s capacity to what it currently is. I wonder how much this would be prioritized when pursuing this update.

Well you also have to include the end game capacity of the Fantasyland expansion since you included the Subs/ Autopia on this list. Anyway they would be insane to spend all that money on a new Tomorrowland and have the same or less capacity. I can deal with the same capacity if it means brand new rides and beautiful aesthetics but less capacity is a no go. I’m imagining that the Astro orbiter gets moved back to its rightful place and that there would be at least 3-4 other attractions in addition to Tron. Whether it be Buzz and Star Tours rethemes In addition to another new ride or just 3 brand new rides.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I still haven't seen The Haunted Mansion Planters removed. The last time I was there, it was a blue wall. Adding benches sounds like an improvement.

 

[mickEblu]

Last time I was at DL, Tomorrowland had relatively few people in it in attractions like Launch Bay etc.
Demo it all save Space Mountain and move on. I'll miss the Subs, but if done right, it will all be worth it. Tomorrowland as it stands is an embarrassment.

Agree mostly but I’d say the lagoon needs to stay in some form. Also the nostalgic in me (more for the history because I drove a real car before I drove an Autopia car) says it would be great if they could keep it around by cutting it in half and building up. Upgrading it of course to the future. I want to see things up high in TL. The Space Restaurant 3-4 stories high. Elevated walkways. Autopia on elevated tracks. Astro Orbitor where the Rocket Jets used to be. This is what would really separate it from other lands.

 

[mickEblu]

I still haven't seen The Haunted Mansion Planters removed. The last time I was there, it was a blue wall. Adding benches sounds like an improvement.

How is a bench resting against a stained brick wall an improvement to a planter with greenery that you could sit on anyway?

 

[Kram Sacul]

I don't see this happening. Way too much money and imagination.

 

[mickEblu]

I know we like to all say TL needs a complete redo and we re mostly OK with the whole thing getting demo’d But there is still a part of me that has nostalgia for things like the TL terrace complex etc. I also worry about losing the charm of how Autopia/ Subs/ Monorail are all interwoven. They don’t really do anything like that with attractions anymore and I feel that would be a loss unless they can manage to do that with some new attractions.