News Disneyland to give Tarzan’s Treehouse a new theme

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
Well, technically, DVDs and Blu-Rays can still be taken away from you. Granted, it's illegal (it's called stealing), but it can happen.
Less easily than a streamer losing rights to (or simply deciding not to show) a piece of media to care about.

And it's a lot easier for companies to seize those electronic versions you paid for and "own" on services like Amazon than the ones in my living room.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Tarzan was insanely successful (the film anyways). It was to my knowledge the last successful 2D Disney movie made. But I don't think it's very good, no offense to any fans out there of it.

Seems like Disney was already on a slow decline post Lion King.

Lilo and Stitch was also a success, both at the box office and in merch sales.


🤓 Umm, actually...

Using the industry's rule of thumb for determining a studio's Box Office take, Tarzan and Lilo (which both got good reviews) made a profit in the theatrical window, but, that profit was small (both just $14-15 million in profit). Lilo eked out a profit from such a low budget ($80M compared to Tarzan's $130M).

But the last 2D animation to make a BO profit was Brother Bear at $81M. Mostly because of the remarkably small budget of $46M (and it shows). But for all that profit, audiences only gave it a fair review and critics trashed it.

For comparison, the last 2D film was PatF, which got good reviews, but lost $15M (a figure that can me made up for in the following Pay Windows and merchandise).
 

CaptinEO

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🤓 Umm, actually...

Using the industry's rule of thumb for determining a studio's Box Office take, Tarzan and Lilo (which both got good reviews) made a profit in the theatrical window, but, that profit was small (both just $14-15 million in profit). Lilo eked out a profit from such a low budget ($80M compared to Tarzan's $130M).

But the last 2D animation to make a BO profit was Brother Bear at $81M. Mostly because of the remarkably small budget of $46M (and it shows). But for all that profit, audiences only gave it a fair review and critics trashed it.

For comparison, the last 2D film was PatF, which got good reviews, but lost $15M (a figure that can me made up for in the following Pay Windows and merchandise).
Please explain this Hollywood accounting for me. It cost 130 million to create and made 450 million.

You are telling me they spent 300 million in marketing for Tarzan (in 1999 dollar value as well) and only made 15 million?
 
Please explain this Hollywood accounting for me. It cost 130 million to create and made 450 million.

You are telling me they spent 300 million in marketing for Tarzan (in 1999 dollar value as well) and only made 15 million?
Theaters get half the gross so 225 mil is Disney's take. Depending on how much it cost to market, and whether anyone got residuals, 15 mil seems likely for the studio's profit.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Please explain this Hollywood accounting for me. It cost 130 million to create and made 450 million.

You are telling me they spent 300 million in marketing for Tarzan (in 1999 dollar value as well) and only made 15 million?
This is the rule of thumb that Deadline and the trades use:

Take the stated budget and add 50% for marketing and other administrative costs.​
Take the BO take and split it in half between the theater and studio.​

This is only a 'rule of thumb' because a studio could spend a lot more on marketing or a lot less, depending how they think the movie will do. Also, the split between theater and studio varies. When first released, studios in the U.S. can get get up to 60% (or higher if you're Disney leveraging its power with regard to a Star Wars movie). But over time in the theater, that share decreases. Internationally, the studio gets *less* than 50% of the BO. So, as a rule of thumb, it's just averaged to 50%.

We'll never know the exact spending on advertising or all the theater splits... they keep that secret. So, anyone who says they know for sure what it is is lying.

Since there is imprecision in the rule of thumb, one shouldn't take, say, a $10M loss as proof of a "bomb." The numbers are a little loosey goosey. But when you start getting to $50M in either profit or loss, then one can be more confident that it lost or made money.

The other benefit of the rule is comparing all movies against one another to see how they did relative to one another.

This also highlights how devastating a big budget movie can be. E.g., a movie with a $200M budget actually costs $300M and needs to make $600M in the BO just to break even for the studio.

E.g., On Stranger Tides took in over $1B at the BO, but because its budget was a whopping $411M, it lost $93M. Looking at the BO, one would think the movie was a huge success. But... they couldn't contain their costs and the audience and critical reviews were bad. So, $1B at the BO, and it failed.
 

SBlake

Member
No love lost here. I never enjoyed Tarzan. Yes the background jungle animation was top notch and they did some really neat effects when he was swinging through the trees, but overall the characters were forgettable, and it just seemed lacking all around. For me at least.

Looking forward to what comes next for the treehouse.
 

Sharon&Susan

Well-Known Member
The new Micechat updates speculates that once they finish demolishing the stump in the middle of the walkway and the bridge that they'll stop work on the Treehouse and keep it as a decorative element for an indefinite amount of time Not entirely unexpected with how they didn't even bother to announce the new theme, but still sad to hear all the same.
 

disneyC97

Well-Known Member
The new Micechat updates speculates that once they finish demolishing the stump in the middle of the walkway and the bridge that they'll stop work on the Treehouse and keep it as a decorative element for an indefinite amount of time Not entirely unexpected with how they didn't even bother to announce the new theme, but still sad to hear all the same.
Really hope they’re wrong here 😞
 

SBlake

Member
Disney officially said a new character will call the treehouse home. If they were hoping to slowly put the tree out to pasture they wouldn't have said that.
Unless they were meaning as a decorative element. Example, Antonio watching Adventureland from the treehouse with his animal friends. I certainly hope that's not the case. This needs to remain a walkthrough attraction.
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Theaters get half the gross so 225 mil is Disney's take. Depending on how much it cost to market, and whether anyone got residuals, 15 mil seems likely for the studio's profit.

Which would not include thing like merch, licensing, rentals, home video, soundtrack sales etc, the last two of which were a bigger thing in 1999/2000.
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
🤓 Umm, actually...

Using the industry's rule of thumb for determining a studio's Box Office take, Tarzan and Lilo (which both got good reviews) made a profit in the theatrical window, but, that profit was small (both just $14-15 million in profit). Lilo eked out a profit from such a low budget ($80M compared to Tarzan's $130M).

But the last 2D animation to make a BO profit was Brother Bear at $81M. Mostly because of the remarkably small budget of $46M (and it shows). But for all that profit, audiences only gave it a fair review and critics trashed it.

For comparison, the last 2D film was PatF, which got good reviews, but lost $15M (a figure that can me made up for in the following Pay Windows and merchandise).
What about Winnie the Pooh 2011?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Which would not include thing like merch, licensing, rentals, home video, soundtrack sales etc, the last two of which were a bigger thing in 1999/2000.
Correct. We're only talking about the theatrical window.

After that come the other Pay Windows: Exclusive PPV (e.g., in hotels); Premium Cable; DVD; Cable Channels; Broadcast; General PPV (e.g., Vudu). And also all the other merchandising you mentioned (streaming music, CDs, merch, licensing, etc...).

Plus, for Disney, the IP of a film can live on as a franchise with becoming part of a park experience, sequels, and increasing the value of Disney+'s library of content.
 

No Name

Well-Known Member
Please explain this Hollywood accounting for me. It cost 130 million to create and made 450 million.

You are telling me they spent 300 million in marketing for Tarzan (in 1999 dollar value as well) and only made 15 million?
Do you think that the company that makes the movie gets 100% of the movie theaters’ ticket revenue?
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
The new Micechat updates speculates that once they finish demolishing the stump in the middle of the walkway and the bridge that they'll stop work on the Treehouse and keep it as a decorative element for an indefinite amount of time Not entirely unexpected with how they didn't even bother to announce the new theme, but still sad to hear all the same.

Sounds like closing it to save on operating costs. Hope that's not the case.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Sounds like closing it to save on operating costs. Hope that's not the case.
Other than some yearly maintenance I can’t imagine it’s very costly to operate. In fact I would say it’s probably the least costly attraction to operate at DLR.

So I doubt there is much cost savings, and thus not likely the reason if this is true.
 

DavidDL

Well-Known Member
Late to this thread but all this news about something actually happening to the treehouse gives me a laugh. Just because I think back to some earlier threads where another member started tossing out bizarre conspiracies that because a "trash can had been moved near the entrance of the treehouse", that it was a sign of something big happening to it. Hilariously, something now is.
 

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