News Disneyland to give Tarzan’s Treehouse a new theme

[Dear Prudence]

The right place for Encanto would be DCA. They could have a South American inspired Adventureland version of Fantasy Springs with a Mystic Manor style Encanto ride, a suspended UP Ride where we ride in little houses and go to Paradise Falls and a Saludos Amigos boat ride (something new not the one from Epcot). An Incredibles ride based at the island from the original movie and anything Neverland could work as well.

They could put this in the backlot/ Eastern Gateway expansion area. Or somewhere in the Simba lot if Disneyland Forward happens.

OMG

 

[mharrington]

The right place for Encanto would be DCA. They could have a South American inspired Adventureland version of Fantasy Springs with a Mystic Manor style Encanto ride, a suspended UP Ride where we ride in little houses and go to Paradise Falls and a Saludos Amigos boat ride (something new not the one from Epcot). An Incredibles ride based at the island from the original movie and anything Neverland could work as well.

They could put this in the backlot/ Eastern Gateway expansion area. Or somewhere in the Simba lot if Disneyland Forward happens.

California doesn't have anything tropical.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Technically, by that logic, what does, say, the Enchanted Tiki Room have to do with adventure? I would think a bunch of singing birds and flowers are more fantasy than adventure, too.

I personally think it's far less egregious for "Encanto" to be in Adventureland than, say, for "The Princess and the Frog" to be in Frontierland (at least in WDW).

Tiki Room is not only set in tropics/a jungle, but the environment is key to the attraction. The house in Encanto sits in a jungle or a jungle-like environment, but the jungle isn’t part of the story. The house is.

PatF will be in NOS here, which is all that matters.

 

[Californian Elitist]

California doesn't have anything tropical.

California also doesn’t have real superheroes flying and running around the state, and yet…

 

[mharrington]

Tiki Room is not only set in tropics/a jungle, but the environment is key to the attraction. The house in Encanto sits in a jungle or a jungle-like environment, but the jungle isn’t part of the story. The house is.

But what does the Tiki Room have to do with adventuring?

PatF will be in NOS here, which is all that matters.

Not at WDW, it won't. It's going in Frontierland there. And Splash Mountain isn't in New Orleans Square, but Critter Country. Now, whether the new version of Splash Mountain gets absorbed into New Orleans Square remains to be seen.

 

[Californian Elitist]

But what does the Tiki Room have to do with adventuring?



Not at WDW, it won't. It's going in Frontierland there. And Splash Mountain isn't in New Orleans Square, but Critter Country. Now, whether the new version of Splash Mountain gets absorbed into New Orleans Square remains to be seen.

Adventureland also has a tiki/Polynesian theme. This is evidenced by the Tiki Room, the Dole Whip stand, Tropical Hideaway, and the now extinct Tahitian Terrace.

This isn’t WDW, though. We’re talking about Disneyland. Disney has already insinuated that the PatF ride will be in NOS.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Tiki Room is not only set in tropics/a jungle, but the environment is key to the attraction. The house in Encanto sits in a jungle or a jungle-like environment, but the jungle isn’t part of the story. The house is.

PatF will be in NOS here, which is all that matters.

But! If it's Antonio's tree, that is canonical!

 

[Animaniac93-98]

It wouldn’t fit anywhere else in the park, but a placement in Adventureland isn’t exactly spot on. DL’s Adventureland has a 1930s jungle/temple theme. Encanto doesn’t fit that. Sure, Colombia has jungles, but Encanto mostly takes place inside the house.

I'd like to think there's more to Adventureland than it just being the dumping ground for content that doesn't take place in Western Europe or the USA.

The land is clearly grouped into geographic clusters, starting with the South Pacific near the hub and then moving to Africa and South East Asia. You could basically draw a line from LA to Cape Town and plot along that path various cultural points of interest that influence the land. The land also now has a clear time frame with the 1930s.

Tarzan worked because it's both set in Africa and part of a larger literary tradition of Adventure stories for Western audiences, and his prominence in movies really peaked in the 30s. Like Aladdin, he existed in media long before his Disney adaptation. Indiana Jones, also draws from this tradition, albite with movie serials rather than written stories.

There isn't as strong a connection to South America in the land, despite references to the Amazon in Jungle Cruise. Encanto is also a story that focuses on family dynamics vs one of exploration. Like you and others say, it mostly takes place in a house.

Visually, it shouldn't clash too bad, and I never cared for the Tarzan overlay, but this feels like a 90s-era quick fix to promote a recent release instead of creating something more substantial for the property. An Encanto show/parade makes more sense to me than a treehouse. The little brother's bedroom was not a major focus of the plot and just one minor location, unlike Swiss Family Robinson where the treehouse was a symbol of the family's survival and a frequent setting for the story.

 

[No Name]

Tidal is better. Artists make more money from Tidal and the streaming quality is better.

I’m not that rich!

 

[Californian Elitist]

I'd like to think there's more to Adventureland than it just being the dumping ground for content that doesn't take place in Western Europe or the USA.

The land is clearly grouped into geographic clusters, starting with the South Pacific near the hub and then moving to Africa and South East Asia. You could basically draw a line from LA to Cape Town and plot along that path various cultural points of interest that influence the land. The land also now has a clear time frame with the 1930s.

Tarzan worked because it's both set in Africa and part of a larger literary tradition of Adventure stories for Western audiences, and his prominence in movies really peaked in the 30s. Like Aladdin, he existed in media long before his Disney adaptation. Indiana Jones, also draws from this tradition, albite with movie serials rather than written stories.

There isn't as strong a connection to South America in the land, despite references to the Amazon in Jungle Cruise. Encanto is also a story that focuses on family dynamics vs one of exploration. Like you and others say, it mostly takes place in a house.

Visually, it shouldn't clash too bad, and I never cared for the Tarzan overlay, but this feels like a 90s-era quick fix to promote a recent release instead of creating something more substantial for the property. An Encanto show/parade makes more sense to me than a treehouse. The little brother's bedroom was not a major focus of the plot and just one minor location, unlike Swiss Family Robinson where the treehouse was a symbol of the family's survival and a frequent setting for the story.

Of course. With the exception of maybe the Polynesian theme, I actually wouldn’t say that anywhere in the US, except maybe Hawaii, would be appropriate for Adventureland. Europe, definitely not. As you stated, Africa, Southeast Asia, South America, etc. are all fitting of Adventureland settings. I like the way you put it: “geographical clusters.” I agree that Tarzan fit nicely into Adventureland.

Did Antonio even have a treehouse/tree in the movie? I don’t remember. I would prefer an Encanto cameo in a parade as well. I do believe that Adventureland is the best place for an Encanto attraction, but it’s forced at the same time.

 

[Sailor310]

Back to discussions of streaming, what I really miss is the "extras", all the making of and cast narrations.

 

[PiratesMansion]

It wouldn’t fit anywhere else in the park, but a placement in Adventureland isn’t exactly spot on. DL’s Adventureland has a 1930s jungle/temple theme. Encanto doesn’t fit that. Sure, Colombia has jungles, but Encanto mostly takes place inside the house.

Adventureland is the best placement, but I’m not necessarily convinced that it’s a great match.

In fairness, a lot of ideas about placement in Adventureland and Fantasyland are more *by tradition* than anything else. Now, tradition isn't bad, but The 1930's theme of Adventureland is also a relatively recent development-it was much more open-ended in terms of time/place prior to Indiana Jones. There's no reason they couldn't just go back to a setting without a specific timestamp over the whole land.

Similarly, there isn't really a rule that limits Fantasyland solely to European fairy tales, that's just sort of what happened. IASW already depicts a variety of non-European cultures and I'd argue the main reason other stories aren't reflected is partially because Disney just hasn't made many non-European set animated films, let alone films set elsewhere that became hits AND seem semi-workable in a theme park environment.

Am...am I the only person with organized dvds...... no shade, but this is very eye opening

I not only have a lot of DVDs and Blu-rays, but I still buy new (or new to me) titles fairly regularly. I'll cycle a few out if I need to move but I still have the majority of my films and TV shows I've purchased. I really think the degree to which society has largely and rapidly abandoned physical media is short-sighted, and one that people will eventually regret. If I care about a piece of media, I want to own it so that I am able to watch it whenever I want, and not have to worry about whether or not I have the right streaming service or an internet connection. As long as the DVDs and players still work, they're mine forever and no corporation can take them away from me. No streaming service can take the place of that, and they couldn't even IF all of the content I wanted was reliably available on their platform.

Back to discussions of streaming, what I really miss is the "extras", all the making of and cast narrations.

Another D+ area of strength. It's not for ALL the content on the platform, and it's often incomplete, but it's better than the ZERO bonus features films typically have on other streamers.

 

[Too Many Hats]

"Many of us dream of traveling to these mysterious, far-off regions of the world. To celebrate a land that would make this dream a reality, we pictured ourselves far from civilization, in the remote jungles of Asia and Africa." - Walt, 1954

"Here is adventure. Here is romance. Here is mystery. Tropical rivers, silently flowing into the unknown. The unbelievable splendor of exotic flowers, the eerie sound of the jungle, with eyes that are always watching."

 

[D.Silentu]

I really think the degree to which society has largely and rapidly abandoned physical media is short-sighted, and one that people will eventually regret. If I care about a piece of media, I want to own it so that I am able to watch it whenever I want, and not have to worry about whether or not I have the right streaming service...

Just quoting you because it's a message worth repeating. I'd also like to add that studios are becoming more and more comfortable altering or censuring their past films which makes me appreciate having my own copy.

 

[Californian Elitist]

In fairness, a lot of ideas about placement in Adventureland and Fantasyland are more *by tradition* than anything else. Now, tradition isn't bad, but The 1930's theme of Adventureland is also a relatively recent development-it was much more open-ended in terms of time/place prior to Indiana Jones. There's no reason they couldn't just go back to a setting without a specific timestamp over the whole land.

Similarly, there isn't really a rule that limits Fantasyland solely to European fairy tales, that's just sort of what happened. IASW already depicts a variety of non-European cultures and I'd argue the main reason other stories aren't reflected is partially because Disney just hasn't made many non-European set animated films, let alone films set elsewhere that became hits AND seem semi-workable in a theme park environment.

Yes, small world is an exception. There’s a circus theme going on as well, albeit a small one. There’s no set rule, but Disney has managed to keep Fantasyland mostly “European” for decades. Same with Adventureland, the 30s jungle thing has been pretty consistent since the mid 90s. That’s not to say that they’ll never change it.

 

[Brer Panther]

Similarly, there isn't really a rule that limits Fantasyland solely to European fairy tales, that's just sort of what happened. IASW already depicts a variety of non-European cultures and I'd argue the main reason other stories aren't reflected is partially because Disney just hasn't made many non-European set animated films, let alone films set elsewhere that became hits AND seem semi-workable in a theme park environment.

I feel like that might stem from the fact that Fantasyland is themed around a sort of Bavarian village, or in the Magic Kingdom's case a medieval fair with castle walls around. It'd be weird having the facade for, say, a Lion King dark ride look like a German cottage, and having Pride Rock among European-looking buildings would be out of place.

Granted, the Magic Kingdom did have a Lion King show in Fantasyland for a while, so...

 

[tcool123]

Technically, by that logic, what does, say, the Enchanted Tiki Room have to do with adventure? I would think a bunch of singing birds and flowers are more fantasy than adventure, too.

I personally think it's far less egregious for "Encanto" to be in Adventureland than, say, for "The Princess and the Frog" to be in Frontierland (at least in WDW).

Its honestly about the same. Song of the South and Princess and the Frog both take place in the deep south not the Frontier.

However thats neither here nor there as this is the Disneyland forum not Walt Disney World.

 

[Phroobar]

How would the tropics fit in Fantasyland?

Well Fantasyland used to have a pirate ship docked in a tropical setting complete with waterfall and skull rock.

 

[mharrington]

I not only have a lot of DVDs and Blu-rays, but I still buy new (or new to me) titles fairly regularly. I'll cycle a few out if I need to move but I still have the majority of my films and TV shows I've purchased. I really think the degree to which society has largely and rapidly abandoned physical media is short-sighted, and one that people will eventually regret. If I care about a piece of media, I want to own it so that I am able to watch it whenever I want, and not have to worry about whether or not I have the right streaming service or an internet connection. As long as the DVDs and players still work, they're mine forever and no corporation can take them away from me. No streaming service can take the place of that, and they couldn't even IF all of the content I wanted was reliably available on their platform.

Well, technically, DVDs and Blu-Rays can still be taken away from you. Granted, it's illegal (it's called stealing), but it can happen.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Just to clarify, Antonio is the little cousin, not Mirabel's brother. In Latin America, everyone lives in the same house.