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TP2000

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Will the pharmacies not be making profit off each jab? I honestly don't know, but have assumed so. If so, that's a lot of extra business/profit to address staffing issues. I certainly agree that this is a process that requires time to work through.

That's a good question. Pharmacies like CVS, or in supermarkets and Target, often bend over backwards to provide "free!" flu shots. I assume it's because it brings feet into the store, and they buy toothpaste or hairspray on the way out.

The Covid vaccine itself is free, paid for by the federal government. But I wonder if the private pharmacies in other states are getting paid an administration fee from the Feds or states for each shot given to customers?
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
They're from the Bloomberg site that was updated at about 3:00pm today, Pacific time. There's a lot of different sources because nearly every news outlet in the nation is tracking this stuff. But we've used Bloomberg a lot in this thread.
Well I get my data right from the source.


I've noted the actual number of doses administered in each state several times in this thread. Above in today's statistics update you can see those numbers in parenthesis on each line. For instance, taken from above...

Texas = (1,358,676)
California = (1,393,324)
Except you've been tracking "ranking", which is meaningless because its a number based on the amount of supply used. Because let me give you a perfect example, North Dakota which is number 1 based on your ranking has used up almost their entire supply. With the recent shipping issues at Pfizer and Moderna they won't get anymore for 2 weeks or more. That is 2 weeks of no vaccinations. YAY North Dakota!

In reality California has administered more doses than any other state, including Texas. That is what matters. That is all that should be discussed. If California falls behind with that number, then that is what we should be concerned about. Plus as you're own data proves, California still has almost 2M doses left in supply to continue to hand out. That means those 2 weeks where North Dakota won't be giving out vaccines, California still will. But YAY North Dakota, you're number #1!
 

Practical Pig

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That's a good question. Pharmacies like CVS, or in supermarkets and Target, often bend over backwards to provide "free!" flu shots. I assume it's because it brings feet into the store, and they buy toothpaste or hairspray on the way out.

The Covid vaccine itself is free, paid for by the federal government. But I wonder if the private pharmacies in other states are getting paid an administration fee from the Feds or states for each shot given to customers?
I knew the vaccine was free for us, but I assume pharmacies can't be coerced into becoming distribution points and there must be some financial incentive involved. Public duty only goes so far in the absence of $$$. I'd love it if someone who knows more could clear that up.
 

TP2000

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Well I get my data right from the source.
What did the source say about the updated numbers for Texas and Florida today?

In reality California has administered more doses than any other state, including Texas. That is what matters. That is all that should be discussed.

So you don't track stuff per capita. The largest state in the union with 40 million citizens is automatically better than a state with only 2 Million citizens. Got it.

Do you also use that form of science to track Covid deaths? Because in raw numbers, today California had the 2nd highest number of deaths from Covid of any state in the union, without using a per capita filter. Yay California? Lotso deaths?
 

lazyboy97o

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Will the pharmacies not be making profit off each jab? I honestly don't know, but have assumed so. If so, that's a lot of extra business/profit to address staffing issues. I certainly agree that this is a process that requires time to work through.
I don’t doubt the pharmacies will be making money. My understanding is that even before the last year pharmacist and even pharmacy technician were both very in demand jobs. CVS and Walgreens have both bragged about the hiring binge they went on for the vaccination process and I image other pharmacies did the same.

Over in the Walt Disney World thread there are a few doctors who participate and I asked about how difficult it would be train people to administer vaccines. The response was that while stabbing someone with a needle is very easy the safety around properly handling vaccines and bodily fluids requires more training and should be left to those with the proper experience. I’m guessing unemployment amongst those who know how to safely administer vaccines is pretty close to 0 right now. Some have suggested calling up the National Guard but the people in the National Guard with medical skills/roles are almost certainly working a day job with those skills.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
What did the source say about the updated numbers for Texas and Florida today?
I'm looking at California numbers direct from the state. For Texas and Florida, I rely on the same numbers as you do. I'm sure I could go find their direct numbers if I wanted, but I don't.

So you don't track stuff per capita. The largest state in the union with 40 million citizens is automatically better than a state with only 2 Million citizens. Got it.

Do you also use that form of science to track Covid deaths? Because in raw numbers, today California had the 2nd highest number of deaths from Covid of any state in the union, without using a per capita filter. Yay California? Lotso deaths?
You wanna talk per capita, ok.

Let's use South Carolina as an example, has a lower per capita than California but yet is ranked higher. Why is that?

My point is that I agree overall that California can (and will) do better. But I think you put too much emphasis on this silly ranking.
 

lazyboy97o

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I knew the vaccine was free for us, but I assume pharmacies can't be coerced into becoming distribution points and there must be some financial incentive involved. Public duty only goes so far in the absence of $$$. I'd love it if someone who knows more could clear that up.
This is all that was said in the press release from Health & Human Services back in October when it was announced that CVS and Walgreens wold be managing most long term care facility vaccinations.

“HHS is using multiple authorities to ensure appropriate reimbursement for these services and that no American being vaccinated for COVID-19 will have to pay out-of-pocket.”

 

Practical Pig

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I don’t doubt the pharmacies will be making money. My understanding is that even before the last year pharmacist and even pharmacy technician were both very in demand jobs. CVS and Walgreens have both bragged about the hiring binge they went on for the vaccination process and I image other pharmacies did the same.

Over in the Walt Disney World thread there are a few doctors who participate and I asked about how difficult it would be train people to administer vaccines. The response was that while stabbing someone with a needle is very easy the safety around properly handling vaccines and bodily fluids requires more training and should be left to those with the proper experience. I’m guessing unemployment amongst those who know how to safely administer vaccines is pretty close to 0 right now. Some have suggested calling up the National Guard but the people in the National Guard with medical skills/roles are almost certainly working a day job with those skills.

Some very good points there. Thanks.
 

TP2000

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Let's use South Carolina as an example, has a lower per capita than California but yet is ranked higher. Why is that?

Ah, the Palmetto State! A state and its people that is still near and dear to my heart, for reasons that are better left unsaid on a family board such as this. ;)

The stats on South Carolina (which is not doing well at all on vaccine distribution, not unsurprisingly as a poor, Southern state) versus California are thus as of January 19th. Bloomberg bases its ratings on the percent of delivered doses administered (AKA shots in arms versus shots still sitting in freezers)...

#34 South Carolina = 3.2 Doses Per 100 Citizens, 46.7% Doses Administered
#47 California = 3.5 Doses Per 100 Citizens, 39.3% Doses Administered


Perhaps there's an outlet somewhere that is ranking states based on doses per capita, but I haven't seen one. Bloomberg, the New York Times, NBC, etc. all seem to be ranking states based on doses administered. A quick scan of the stats though shows the rankings wouldn't change too drastically if you ranked states bases on doses per capita; a few states would move up a few notches, a few states would move down a few notches. But overall the rankings would be about the same, and Texas would still be far ahead of California.

You realize Texans pay a whole lot less in state taxes, right?

My point is that I agree overall that California can (and will) do better. But I think you put too much emphasis on this silly ranking.

Well, currently California is ranked #47 after the holiday weekend. There's really nowhere for us to go but up!
 

TP2000

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Even though I regularly work in Skilled Nursing Facilities, I still don't qualify for the vaccine. So if I end up Covid positive and wiping out the contents of one of these Skilled Nursing Facilities, don't blame me. I tried to get immunized and was flatly refused.

That seems nearly criminal. Over 40% of the deaths have been in Nursing Homes (AKA "skilled nursing facilities" or "assisted living facilities" or "community care facilities" or perhaps even "Del Boca Vista").

Over the holiday weekend here in OC there were 110 deaths, and 51 of those deaths were in OC Nursing Homes (or whatever you want to call them). That's a basic statistical trend, Science & Data if there ever was such a thing, that has held steady since the day this virus arrived from China.

That the vaccine rollout didn't focus intently first on Nursing Homes and those who interact with them seems like a stupid mistake to make. The older you are, the more likely you are to die from Covid. So get the oldest people first, and those who serve them, and work your way down the age demographics.

CDC Covid Survival Rates By Age Range
0 to 19 = 99.997% Survival
20 to 49 = 99.98% Survival
50 to 69 = 99.5% Survival
70 to 105 = 94.6% Survival
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Ah, the Palmetto State! A state and its people that is still near and dear to my heart, for reasons that are better left unsaid on a family board such as this. ;)

The stats on South Carolina (which is not doing well at all on vaccine distribution, not unsurprisingly as a poor, Southern state) versus California are thus as of January 19th. Bloomberg bases its ratings on the percent of delivered doses administered (AKA shots in arms versus shots still sitting in freezers)...

#34 South Carolina = 3.2 Doses Per 100 Citizens, 46.7% Doses Administered
#47 California = 3.5 Doses Per 100 Citizens, 39.3% Doses Administered


Perhaps there's an outlet somewhere that is ranking states based on doses per capita, but I haven't seen one. Bloomberg, the New York Times, NBC, etc. all seem to be ranking states based on doses administered. A quick scan of the stats though shows the rankings wouldn't change too drastically if you ranked states bases on doses per capita; a few states would move up a few notches, a few states would move down a few notches. But overall the rankings would be about the same, and Texas would still be far ahead of California.

You realize Texans pay a whole lot less in state taxes, right?



Well, currently California is ranked #47 after the holiday weekend. There's really nowhere for us to go but up!
Actually it would make a difference if per capita was used. Some of the top states on the lists you've use would still be the same due to their smaller populations. But the middle is where it would make the most difference. California would also go up to about 43, its because of how large the population is, but that should be expected.

Also I've never said California is doing outstanding in terms of administering the vaccine. It has been slow, no doubt about it. But its been slow for reasons more of which are beyond California's control. And its also not as bad as you try to portray it, as shown below. There is plenty of blame to go around first and foremost on the outgoing administration. Why the Defense Protection Act was not enacted in the last month to speed up manufacturing of the vaccine is beyond me. Hopefully the new administration will rectify that in very short order.

Point is there have been hiccups, which should be expected when an endeavor of this magnitude is undertaken. So I'm cutting them a lot of slack right now. In a month from now if things aren't better, well then not so much.

Also here is a better site for you to track things (use the table tab in each graph if you want to see all the states in a list):


Interesting statistics, California leads in not only the amount of people who've gotten fully vaccinated but also in the amount of daily vaccinations.

Fully vaccinated (both doses):

1. California 260,838
2. Texas 179,801
3. Illinois 104,533
4. Florida 103,173
5. New York State 102,187

Daily vaccinations:

1. California 92,018
2. Florida 77,321
3. Texas 70,361
4. New York State 60,112
5. Michigan 36,558

What this means is that California will likely have more of the population fully vaccinated a lot quicker than most other states.

So really when you look at the overall picture California has sped up administration by a lot over the last week. And over the next couple of weeks that number will just continue to go up as more capacity comes online. Once that happens, then the per capita will skyrocket as I've been saying it will.
 
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FYI, California has launched the sign-up site where you can be notified when its your turn to get the vaccine.


I suggest everyone sign-up.
Thanks. I signed up for San Francisco's notification list yesterday. Probably wouldn't hurt to do both.
 

TP2000

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Per the Bloomberg tracking tools, on Wednesday, January 20th California just fell to #50 of all 50 states when it comes to percentage of its distributed vaccines used. California is the lowest ranked state in the union.

Because, you know, California is such a small, poor state and they barely collect any taxes from anyone. :rolleyes:

 

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