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Disneyland officially reopening April 30th

fctiger

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I'm not local, but I'm going to attempt to reserve the Sat-Sun on Memorial weekend. The hours should be 9-9 by then, but I also know that will be a popular weekend, so it's hard to say if I'll get in....especially if current ticket holders get a few days' head start on reservations. 🤞

Honestly with lower capacity, I'm guessing every day is going to be pretty full the first few months at least. Could be wrong, but if A Taste of Disney sold out in literally just a few hours which is nothing more than eating food in a dead park, I can only imagine what the first month of opening will be like.
 

MansionButler84

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In the Parks
No
Honestly with lower capacity, I'm guessing every day is going to be pretty full the first few months at least. Could be wrong, but if A Taste of Disney sold out in literally just a few hours which is nothing more than eating food in a dead park, I can only imagine what the first month of opening will be like.
Well, they can increase capacity to 35% in yellow and then further if they choose on 6/15 and the lack of APs will certainly impact numbers. How many individual tickets will locals buy? You could buy a multi-day ticket but they expire pretty quickly.
 

fctiger

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Well, they can increase capacity to 35% in yellow and then further if they choose on 6/15 and the lack of APs will certainly impact numbers. How many individual tickets will locals buy? You could buy a multi-day ticket but they expire pretty quickly.

As I said I was only talking about the first few months and when capacity is lower and also because that's when the hardcore bunch is going to go, ASAP! But yes I agree after those first few months and when they increase capacity it will probably die down a lot. But the poster was specifically talking about Memorial day, which is only a month after the parks open.

It's why I don't want to go until end of June or July. I suspect it will be a lot easier to go, especially once attendance can be at a more normal level. That said, non-Californians will also be allowed to go back so maybe it won't be a huge difference by then either.
 

MansionButler84

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In the Parks
No
As I said I was only talking about the first few months and when capacity is lower and also because that's when the hardcore bunch is going to go, ASAP! But yes I agree after those first few months and when they increase capacity it will probably die down a lot. But the poster was specifically talking about Memorial day, which is only a month after the parks open.

It's why I don't want to go until end of June or July. I suspect it will be a lot easier to go, especially once attendance can be at a more normal level. That said, non-Californians will also be allowed to go back so maybe it won't be a huge difference by then either.
Oh, absolutely, then. May will be tough to get in. People will need to be flexible, I imagine. I hope Disney’s system can handle it. It is inherently unfair when people queue up and the system keeps crashing.
 

fctiger

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Oh, absolutely, then. May will be tough to get in. People will need to be flexible, I imagine. I hope Disney’s system can handle it. It is inherently unfair when people queue up and the system keeps crashing.

Yeah, I just don't have the energy to even TRY to go the first month lol, even if I was fully vaccinated or felt comfortable to go. It's been well over a year now, I can wait a few more months. And I honestly want to wait until Avengers Campus open. Since we no longer have APs and faaaar from rich, we can only go a few times a year now, which is more than fine. I want to wait until the initial rush dies down and hope the new land will open in the summer but with higher capacity. Because I have no idea when we'll be back after we do it the first time.
 

Curious Constance

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I have a hard time believing that Disney will choose to drop all restrictions on June 15th. Some sure, but not all. I can see them allowing out of state visitors, but I bet they will still limit attendance. WDWvhas been limiting long after restrictions where lifted.
 

Old Mouseketeer

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I mean I guess everything "attracts" some people.

"Lukewarm Water on tap at El Zocalo Cart"
"Benches of Main Street"
Hey, Walt listed the Speedramps on the new DL&SFRR Alweg Monorail as an attraction. I love Walt. Disneyland was a major part of my childhood. I have no problem acknowledging that Walt was both a creative genius and a savvy businessman and, frankly, a decent huckster. He knew how to promote. He knew how to cater to his audience. I respect that. Disneyland is a business. Most recently I was awed by RotR. Riding it for the first time is up there with PotC, HM, IJA, Avatar, ATIS, CoP, and, when I was a boy, iasw and Tiki Room. These were attractions that changed my expectations of theme park entertainment.

And people-watching from almost any bench in the parks is a great attraction for me. Waiting for Figaro to wake up at Castle Fantasy Faire or the Evil Queen to reveal herself over Snow White. Or the seagulls at Nemo Subs--I cry out "mine, mine, mine" (and I do it really well). I love seeing the Dapper Dans sing their way down Main Street on the streetcar. I miss the '70s College Marching Band doing a mash-up of 1812 and William Tell Overtures. And Cadaver Dans on a raft on RoA. Don't get me started on losing Thor's throne room--I'll cry. In the late '60s I was fascinated by the glass cutters at Crystal d'Orleans for Arribas Brothers. I always liked glass blowers, but this was new and I spent my allowance on several gifts. Then I got hired in FL and worked my way through college as a glass cutter and worked all over the country for Arribas and others. I miss Harry Brice the Silhouette artist. Bub Taylor and Kevin Miles, the great basses in Dapper Dans in FL. I saw Fulton Burley, Betty Taylor, and Wally Boag at Golden Horseshoe many times. And Teddy Buckner's Jazz All-Stars. I saw Mickey Mouse leading the WDW Band for Salute to Canada in 1974 in his Mountie costume with his sleeve chevrons upside down (they fixed it in between sets).

When I was a boy, we would take my grandparents from Oklahoma to DL with us when they visited. We would buy reasonably priced senior tickets for them and they would ride the train, Mark Twain, CoP, Carousel, FL dark rides, and (in the hot afternoon) Mr. Lincoln and America the Beautiful. And yes, there was a lot of sitting on benches. Walt wanted DL to be for entire families and I got to fully experience that. I don't particularly notice the "Lukewarm Water on tap at El Zocalo Cart". But I do always point out my favorite stained glass window at the resort (other than the entry doors at GCH which are hard to see opening and closing) above the entrance to Rancho del Zocalo (look for the giant "Z" and the beautiful oak leaves). They were produced by Judson Studios of Los Angeles, the US' oldest stained glass studio. I have a lifelong family connection to Judson and my brother has a window panel that is a family heirloom.

Disneyland is full of small, personal stories. I've done my fair share of blowing through the roller coasters. I've also spent a fair amount of time "stopping and smelling the roses". YMMV.
 

AL2000HS

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Just out of curiosity is there some sort of limit of how many hours a day a ride operator can legally work?
I don't know what disney does đź’Ż % cause it has changed a few times. But I want to say 12 is the max. They can try and extend longer but not at an attraction. They can do crowd control for parade/shows and stay longer if those areas need them. I think 12 is the max now so that their mind is still sharp while operating an attraction. I know I have never done more than 12. Especially during the 50th when I did those 5 days a week. My back hated me then. Hahaha.
 

AL2000HS

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Well, they can increase capacity to 35% in yellow and then further if they choose on 6/15 and the lack of APs will certainly impact numbers. How many individual tickets will locals buy? You could buy a multi-day ticket but they expire pretty quickly.
Until the no indoor queues drop, I wouldn't see them adjusting to the higher capacity yet.
As of right now, the attraction teams are trying to figure out how that's going to work still. Some are waiting until they do preview days leading up to the opening. So expect bumpy roads for a least a month or so.
 

TP2000

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You're wrong on so many levels on this one.

This isn't someone working a churro stand. These are performers committed to a standing show. Even making comparisons to attractions operators shows your disconnect.

Okay, but TDA has told us for years that "Every Role Is A Starring Role!". Right?

So it sounds as though you are saying there are levels of CM hierarchy and a Master Electrician or an AGVA Actress is somehow better or more valuable than a churro hostess or a ride operator? ;)

I just find so much of Social Media to be narcissistic cringe. This fired Frozen actress isn't any different than a million other people on Social Media, especially in Los Angeles or New York. She may be very sincere here. But I find it to be stereotypical Social Media claptrap.

Every Role Is A Starring Role!* Everyone Is a Star!* All CM's Are Equal!* (*pay scales do not apply and *no legal agreement is implied)

 
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TP2000

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Heck, churro stand or attractions operator even, if they genuinely enjoy or love what they do. If you're doing something you love and you do it long enough to develop relationships within a company or take pride in what you do, having that taken away is something you're allowed to feel natural human emotions over without others telling you you're wrong for feeling a certain way.

But that's just it.

Disneyland fired thousands and thousands of CM's in the last year. Many are never coming back.

But we never saw teary Social Media from ride operators or churro girls or turnstile attendants. Only the professional actors seem to have put that kind of stuff up on their Social Media. Don't forget to Like and Subscribe!

It just feels... cringey to me. But that's just me.

If I'm off base on this one, that won't have been the first time. But it just seems eye-rolling to me when many thousands of other CM's also lost their jobs in the last year.
 

TP2000

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Park entertainment cast are my namesake raison d'etre. You just attacked and mocked someone I directly care about.

I'm glad it looks like you or a mod pulled the original post. Because it was way out of line.

Making fun of generalities - understood. Belittling specific CM's? NO. HELL NO.

Okay. I have no idea who that girl is/was. Her Social Media post came up at the top of a page on a general Google search when I was double-checking that the Frozen show had indeed been closed and its equipment removed from the theater, per an earlier conversation.

That person put that out on Social Media for the world to see. I didn't hack into her protected Facebook photos and cut and paste it. Don't forget to Like and Subscribe.

My point is that thousands and thousands of CM's have been fired in the last few months. Entire departments were wiped out. And suddenly there's actresses from theme park stage shows putting teary photos up on public Social Media? That seems cringey to me for a show and role designed to be temporary and fleeting, particularly when thousands of other CM's who have worked at Disneyland for many years (decades) longer than the Frozen show has been around were laid off in the last six months. :(
 

TP2000

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Any locals considering just not going until after June 15? I don’t know that I’d want to go and deal with queue oddities knowing that they’ll be gone after 6 weeks. For example, I’d rather see the Indy queue as intended.

I'm in that camp.

I was considering a late May visit to give the CM's a month to work out all the bugs and hassles they will have to deal with.

But now? I'm waiting until after Sacramento allows California to go back to normal. If that means waiting another month or two past late May, then so be it.
 

TP2000

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You have a certain style and I know you never shy away from an opportunity to roast someone in humor, so I’m not sure if your post was sincere. If not, well. Har har, I guess. Good one. But you have a lot of influence here, TP, and people eat this up like it’s the truth.

This is creepy and weird, and it really needs to stop.

I have "influence"? That's weird and dumb. And I don't want it.

If me making fun of a narcissistic Social Media post from a very dramatic CM gets people to stop thinking I have some mysterious power, than that would be great! :)

I'm a guy in my den posting whatever comes to my mind. Although, right now, I'm far away from home for an impromptu Easter vacation posting whatever comes to my mind. As long as it's still fun to post here, I'll do it. But having to live up to some pre-conceived notion of who I am and what I should post and how I should set a good example for the kids? No thanks. ;)
 

TP2000

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I'm surprised by two things:

1. Buzz Lightyear is closed, while Midway Mania is not. Did I miss something about this?
2. That is a serious LACK of dining. No Blue Bayou? Carnation Cafe? Rancho del Zocalo? Am I missing something here?

I think part of this may be they simply don't need that many restaurants open with the tiny capacity limits they must deal with.

It just doesn't pencil out to keep those restaurants open at an arbitrarily low percentage of capacity. So they remain closed.
 

TP2000

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Uh oh... No Lincoln. Why do I get the feeling we will never see it again?

He's a racist and horrible human being. Or so many fashionable people on the Left think now. His name has been stripped from public schools in San Francisco, and his statue has been toppled and destroyed in Portland. He is a horrible human being now!

The fact that Walt idolized him won't be easy to work around for Burbank, but they'll need to find a way.

I think it's only a matter of time before Disney removes him entirely from the park, citing Equity or Inclusion or a word like that.
 

TP2000

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The latest aerial pictures show construction walls around the mountain and scaffolding on the mountain. I can't remember... last year before they shut down, was the work to fix the "mountain falling off" issue completed? Maybe they are still working on that?

It's a ride that is closed every year or two for heavy maintenance. It's a beast of a ride to maintain, and it requires regular upkeep.

It's a good sign they still do this. The day they stop maintaining the Matterhorn is the day it goes to Yesterland.
 

TP2000

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For all the love D'Amoro gets on here, he completely failed at running the parks during this shutdown, ie the Touch of Disney event which took them a year to create and was plagued with problems.

Good point. Mr. Damaro does get a lot of praise, but maybe it went overboard? Mr. Potrock is in charge of Disneyland (for now), but surely he ran the whole Touch Of Disney thing by his boss?

I mean, they had almost an entire year when they had nothing to do but lay off tens of thousands of CM's and plan a food festival experience where you got $25 of food for $75. And they failed at that experience part. Mr. Damaro deserves at least part of that blame.

Honestly shocked to see both parks closing at 7. I was thinking 8 or 9 at the latest.

It saves money on not running restaurants for dinner, and pushes business out to Downtown Disney restaurants. With how few people will be allowed inside the parks, I really don't think it's going to be a problem.
 

SuddenStorm

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I don't remember ever complaining that CM's aren't invested in their jobs. I just need them to be well groomed, polite, and efficient. I'd love it if Disneyland's CM's were as good as In-N-Out employees (too many at Disneyland aren't, especially for the prices charged), but I don't care if they are "invested" in their jobs. That's up to them.

The crying on Social Media thing seems a bit much to me. A tad self-serving. :oops:

Especially after many thousands of CM's lost their jobs in the last six months because their department's were eliminated or the business case for their employment collapsed due to Covid.

Frozen was a theme park stage show. By design, those things are fleeting and temporary, usually lasting 3 or 4 years. Sometimes less, sometimes more. But always far shorter than the lifespan for an attraction or restaurant. Frozen opened at DCA 5 years ago now. It had a good run.

I've been online talking about Disneyland for decades. I can't think of a single time that any CM's cried online when fill-in-the-blank restaurant or ride or shop closed. From Rocket Rods to Burger Invasion to Avalon Cove to Plaza Pavilion to Luigi's Flying Tires to Heraldry Shoppe to Tower of Terror to MuppetVision, we never saw crying CM's for those closures. Those CM's may have been sad about it, they might miss working with their friends at a fun location or wearing a favorite uniform.

But public posts about "bittersweet ends" with tearful photos? That just seems overly dramatic for a temporary stage show.

CM's posting about Disneyland online is an interesting subject depending on their role.

If the guy or gal that played Mickey in Fantasmic were to hop on Twitter and say "Man, I'm sure gonna miss being Mickey 5 nights a week!" with a close up photo of him in the Mickey costume, I wouldn't like it. Since Disneyland is fantasy made real- so that Mickey in Fantasmic is supposed to be Mickey, not Mickey played by some 20 year old in Anaheim. So the actors/face characters really shouldn't be posting about how they're a certain character at Disneyland. Is it a huge deal? No... but I think the more 'backstage' stuff that stays backstage, the better. At least as far as cast social media is concerned.

But for the Frozen show- which is delivered as a stage show, and isn't intended to be 'real' to the audience- it's a bit less egregious for the cast to post about their experience working on it. Since she isn't supposed to be 'Elsa', but is instead someone portraying Elsa in a live stage show at the park.

You'd be surprised how many backstage photos end up online on cast social media- usually taking selfies backstage and posting online.
 

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