Disneyland officially reopening April 30th

[TP2000]

I am kind of laughing at the 15 minute thing.

As far as I know the science has said 15 minutes is the risk for exposure IF you are in close contact with one person for at least 15 minutes, in close proximity...

So how can you, moving swiftly through a queue (assuming they keep the longer wait portion outdoors) and then a ride that may be 15 minutes at most, possibly be a risk, especially when you are moving the entire time.

I dunno.

Don't question The Science! These are people far, far smarter and better than you that decide this stuff.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Okay, I‘m sure they can control flume speed, so when Gavin brings one of his girlfriends and a stopwatch, they just turn up the water flow a bit on Pirates to get it down to 14:59.

Done.

RotR, thank goodness, has that outdoor portion before the moving preshow. With good pacing, they could get you from there to the exit in 15. Not that anyone will be timing it out on a daily basis.

Ludicrous.

And I’ll attest to being a fairy princess from Tustin if that’s what it takes. What exactly is a resident anyway? You aren’t emigrating into another country. Is a college student a resident even if he lives with his parents in Utah? What if I just moved to CA this week and want to see the parks only to return to FL because their Pirates is open? It’s silly.

As to shows, it says “live performances and shows.” I would not consider a 3D movie or the Tiki Room to be live entertainment. Frozen certainly is. Live entertainment has breathing actors, no?

 

[chadwpalm]

So I can sit in the Blue Bayou with my party for 45 minutes with my mask off eating at a motionless table, but I can't sit with my party with a mask on for 15 minutes on a ride that is in motion? How does that work?

I have never had any indoor restaurant or food court enforce the "mask on between bites" crap. Will Disney be the first to enforce that? Cause I'd rather go to IHOP if that's the case.

 

[TP2000]

Isn't it exciting that Blue Bayou and Club 33 can compete again with the IHOP across the street? (Or at least River Belle Terrace since I think they were the most recent to have the Mickey pancakes! )

Oh my gosh, can you even imagine how cranky and huffy the Club 33 folks are going to be? That restaurant was already difficult to get into, but now they will be held to a 25% capacity? And no place to put outdoor dining, except maybe a table or three in the courtyard or on the interior balcony at the top of the stairs?

What a nightmare to try and manage with those Club members. These are people who are not used to being told no, and who have already seen their sizable investment in their club membership destroyed for the past 13 months. Now it finally reopens and they can't go over 25% dining room capacity in the entire dining complex? And they can't bring in their foreign friends and family and clients who live outside California? Yikes!

Like I said before, on April 30th I'm going to sit on the patio and enjoy the spring weather and have a nice cocktail and say a prayer for all those CM's. I don't have much pull with the man upstairs due to my lifelong lifestyle of drink and debauchery, but they are going to need all the help they can get.

 

[TP2000]

So I can sit in the Blue Bayou with my party for 45 minutes with my mask off eating at a motionless table, but I can't sit with my party with a mask on for 15 minutes on a ride that is in motion?

That's correct. You may not question it. It is The Science, and it was created by people smarter and better than you whom you may not challenge or question.

How does that work?

It doesn't. But it helped fill in their Guidance PDF they finally released on a Friday afternoon six (6) days before these businesses are allowed to reopen.

This is part of the privilege of doing business in California. You get to follow The Guidance based on The Science, and they'll even give you 3 or 4 business days to respond to the new rules so you can reopen your silly little business you seem to care so much about.

I have never had any indoor restaurant or food court enforce the "mask on between bites" crap. Will Disney be the first to enforce that? Cause I'd rather go to IHOP if that's the case.

No, me either. But I also have never parked in a lot or structure where the business owner coned off every other parking space to allow for Social Distancing when entering or exiting a car.

In fact, the government run vaccine Supersite I went to twice in Orange County was directing all cars to park on only one level of a 4 level garage all right next to each other. The occupants of those cars, by their very nature, were all elderly unvaccinated or under-vaccinated people arriving en masse in scheduled 30 minute windows. Not a single attempt to space out parking spaces was made.

But at Disneyland, they are Socially Distancing even the parked cars in Mickey & Friends. But don't question Sacramento on their rules on how to run a major theme park, because they know best.

 

[milordsloth]

what do they consider 15 minutes? the actual ride itself or the whole experience of LOADING + THE RIDE TIME + UNLOADING? Quick how long is Pirates? or Mansion?

Who is enforcing the 15 minutes?? Is someone standing by with a stop watch??

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Who is enforcing the 15 minutes?? Is someone standing by with a atop watch??

They very well may be.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Don't question The Science! These are people far, far smarter and better than you that decide this stuff.

Im not questioning the science. The science is sound. I question California’s interpretation of the 15 minute exposure timing.

 

[mickEblu]

Wasn’t ROTR one of the 4 or 5 rides they specifically mentioned was going to be opening in the parks blog?

 

[TP2000]

I'm sure they will manage as needed. But it's just another of those points that @TP2000 makes that the people creating the rules have absolutely no knowledge of actually running anything.

Meanwhile the employees at Walmart doing 8-hour shifts inside a building...

I just went down the hill to In-N-Out to get my Friday Night Shake. The place was packed, and the drive-thru line stretched out onto the street and was a mile long. So I went inside to get my shake, and it was the usual busy In-N-Out suburban scene with seemingly two dozen perky employees scrambling around the crowded kitchen flipping burgers, making fries, crafting special orders, etc. They're reopened the dining room now, and some of the local teens had taken up residence inside to flirt and throw fries at each other (established mating ritual).

It looked just like this, except all the kids have masks on now...

There are 253 In-N-Out locations in California, and I can guarantee that almost all of them were just as busy as mine was tonight. And those In-N-Out kids have been working like this since Covid began over a year ago.

But you sure as heck can't let a fly-by-night place like Disneyland have their employees work indoors at a theme park ride for more than 15 minutes. And no paying customer is allowed to sit inside a theme park ride for more than 15 minutes. That's Science!

 

[TP2000]

As to shows, it says “live performances and shows.” I would not consider a 3D movie or the Tiki Room to be live entertainment. Frozen certainly is. Live entertainment has breathing actors, no?

The wording seems to indicate that only outdoor shows are allowed. And if they don't allow a 10 minute Turtle Talk show with a live host, they sure won't allow a 10 minute Tiki Room show with a live host waking up Jose.

Of course, at WDW the Tour Guides there tell their paying customers that Walt had to shut down Disneyland's Tiki Room as a dinner theater because people were complaining that the birds were going to crap in their teriyaki chicken. So maybe they could just reopen the Tiki Room as that dinner show it apparently used to be?

"• Only outdoor live performances and shows are allowed in all tiers."

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

I just went down the hill to In-N-Out to get my Friday Night Shake. The place was packed, and the drive-thru line stretched out onto the street and was a mile long. So I went inside to get my shake, and it was the usual busy In-N-Out suburban scene with seemingly two dozen perky employees scrambling around the crowded kitchen flipping burgers, making fries, crafting special orders, etc. They're reopened the dining room now, and some of the local teens had taken up residence inside to flirt and throw fries at each other (established mating ritual).

It looked just like this, except all the kids have masks on now...

There are 253 In-N-Out locations in California, and I can guarantee that almost all of them were just as busy as mine was tonight. And those In-N-Out kids have been working like this since Covid began over a year ago.

But you sure as heck can't let a fly-by-night place like Disneyland have their employees work indoors at a theme park ride for more than 15 minutes. And no paying customer is allowed to sit inside a theme park ride for more than 15 minutes. That's Science!

Did you get the neapolitan shake yet?

 

[TP2000]

Did you get the neapolitan shake yet?

It's funny you said that! I've thought of that several times since we talked about it. Tonight I looked at the menu, I smiled at the girl behind the counter, I looked back at the menu board...

And I just said "May I have a chocolate shake, please?"

But it's on my To-Do list, I swear.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

It's funny you said that! I've thought of that several times since we talked about it. Tonight I looked at the menu, I smiled at the girl behind the counter, I looked back at the menu board...

And I just said "May I have a chocolate shake, please?"

But it's on my To-Do list, I swear.

LOL Habbits hard to break. the chocolate is great. but you gotta try the neapolitan at least once.

 

[Darkbeer1]

The wording seems to indicate that only outdoor shows are allowed. And if they don't allow a 10 minute Turtle Talk show with a live host, they sure won't allow a 10 minute Tiki Room show with a live host waking up Jose.

Of course, at WDW the Tour Guides there tell their paying customers that Walt had to shut down Disneyland's Tiki Room as a dinner theater because people were complaining that the birds were going to crap in their teriyaki chicken. So maybe they could just reopen the Tiki Room as that dinner show it apparently used to be?

"• Only outdoor live performances and shows are allowed in all tiers."

More details can be found here...

https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-live-performances--en.pdf

>>o Audience seating locations must be fixed or marked, with readily identifiable signs to indicate by section, row, and seat (assigned seating). Assigned seats must clearly define space for individuals with appropriate space per person (no blanket reservations or group areas), and non-permanent seating arrangements must not be altered by spectators.

o Discourage audience from engaging in yelling, singing, chanting, booing, use of noise makers that require the exhalation of air (e.g. vuvuzelas), and other similar practices that may increase the likelihood of transmission from contaminated exhaled droplets and aerosols.

o Entry and exit should be tightly controlled to prevent concentrations of people on concourses and aisles.

o Shared musical instruments must be cleaned and disinfected in accordance with manufacturer’s instructions between users. Musicians must play their own instrument whenever possible (e.g., discontinue single-piano duets).

Permissible Outdoor Venues:

For the purposes of this guidance, a permissible outdoor venue for live audience performances shall require:

• A permanent and fixed facility, focused around a stage round, field court, or other central area designed primarily for viewing entertainment or athletics by an audience OR a defined and demarcated outdoor area. Seat assignments must be marked clearly with at least 6 feet of distance between household groups and seats can be reserved.

• The facility shall either be open to the sky with no roof or have at least 50% of the total perimeter open, meaning there are no walls, doors, windows, dividers, or other physical barriers that restrict air flow, whether open or closed. There must be sufficient natural ventilation and air circulation to dilute and disperse concentrations of aerosols effectively without the support of mechanical systems.

• The facility shall be designed in a way that provides operators the ability to control fully the flow, ingress, and egress of all visitors, and to separate performers, artists, and workers from the general audience.

• There must be permanent or added barriers to create at least 12 feet between space occupied by audience members and the focal point (stage or round).<<

 

[Emmanuel]

Im not questioning the science. The science is sound. I question California’s interpretation of the 15 minute exposure timing.

Ive been reading that in the guidelines and I’m still trying to figure out how it’ll work. And I’m sure they and the other parks are requesting elaboration on that.

 

[TP2000]

Im not questioning the science. The science is sound. I question California’s interpretation of the 15 minute exposure timing.

If you question Sacramento you are questioning The Science. That's been made very clear for months now. Sacramento only dictates Guidance based on Science, so you may not question the Guidance or else you are questioning Science.

And I know you aren't Anti-Science. Right?

More details can be found here...

https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-live-performances--en.pdf

>>o Audience seating locations must be fixed or marked, with readily identifiable signs to indicate by section, row, and seat (assigned seating). Assigned seats must clearly define space for individuals with appropriate space per person (no blanket reservations or group areas), and non-permanent seating arrangements must not be altered by spectators.

o Discourage audience from engaging in yelling, singing, chanting, booing, use of noise makers that require the exhalation of air (e.g. vuvuzelas), and other similar practices that may increase the likelihood of transmission from contaminated exhaled droplets and aerosols.

o Entry and exit should be tightly controlled to prevent concentrations of people on concourses and aisles.

o Shared musical instruments must be cleaned and disinfected in accordance with manufacturer’s instructions between users. Musicians must play their own instrument whenever possible (e.g., discontinue single-piano duets).

Permissible Outdoor Venues:

For the purposes of this guidance, a permissible outdoor venue for live audience performances shall require:

• A permanent and fixed facility, focused around a stage round, field court, or other central area designed primarily for viewing entertainment or athletics by an audience OR a defined and demarcated outdoor area. Seat assignments must be marked clearly with at least 6 feet of distance between household groups and seats can be reserved.

• The facility shall either be open to the sky with no roof or have at least 50% of the total perimeter open, meaning there are no walls, doors, windows, dividers, or other physical barriers that restrict air flow, whether open or closed. There must be sufficient natural ventilation and air circulation to dilute and disperse concentrations of aerosols effectively without the support of mechanical systems.

• The facility shall be designed in a way that provides operators the ability to control fully the flow, ingress, and egress of all visitors, and to separate performers, artists, and workers from the general audience.

• There must be permanent or added barriers to create at least 12 feet between space occupied by audience members and the focal point (stage or round).<<

This is so perfect! Seriously, if you had told any of us 10 years ago that this is what the California state government would be dictating that Disneyland do to stay in operation we would have laughed you off the Internet. But here we are in 2021.

• "Discourage audience from engaging in yelling, singing, chanting, booing, use of noise makers that require the exhalation of air (e.g. vuvuzelas)"

Vuvuzelas. I had to Google that, and I was kind of afraid of what I'd find. It wasn't as bad as I thought; it's just one of those corny stadium horns they used to sell at the Ringling Brothers circus in the 1970's. But now they have a fancy name. Who knew?

I feel so much safer now that there's Guidance about booing and vuvuzela use.

I'm going to try to use the word vuvuzela in sentences more. Standing in line chatting with housewives at Ralph's... "Did you hear Sacramento is sunsetting the use of vuvuzelas?"

 

[TP2000]

Falcon in florida bypasses hondo so it'll be the same.

Yeah, cause God knows you don't actually need to tell a story with these Disneyland rides. Just get in the cockpit and go pew-pew-pew at the aliens and then get the spaceship to Target before they close so you can pick up more cargo. Or whatever.

Who needs a story? Just get the fools Guests into the cockpit and give 'em a quick spin cycle with Chewbacca. Or whatever.

 

[DavidNoble]

It's funny you said that! I've thought of that several times since we talked about it. Tonight I looked at the menu, I smiled at the girl behind the counter, I looked back at the menu board...

And I just said "May I have a chocolate shake, please?"

But it's on my To-Do list, I swear.

Never gonna happen.

 

[davis_unoxx]

Maybe Gavin had a bad experience on Pirates and wanted to make sure no one else get traumatized by it so he made sure it couldn’t make the cut off by 30 seconds. LOL