News Disneyland modifies mask policy - UPDATE 7/28/21

[TP2000]

Car accidents aren't contagious. This is a ridiculous analogy.

Hmmm.... I get your point. And yet, many car accidents involve entirely innocent people who are killed. Every day.

Merely by merging carefully onto a freeway with your blinker flashing, or backing out of your driveway after looking both ways, you are putting your life at risk. And entirely innocent and excellent drivers are killed every day on American roads, through no fault of their own.

And yet, we all drive a car. We know the risks. But we do it.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Nyc is only accepting state issued or CDC issued physical/digital ID cards that have a QR code that can be verified in the state or CDC database when scanned.

Doesn't mean someone won't find a way to hack the system, but honestly, this is a very, very dangerous, slippery slope to go down.

I agree that it’s still possible for these things to be falsified. However, I’m not against having people provide proof of their vaccination.

I’ve had a “vaccine passport” since I was a child and have had to provide it many times, specifically at the four colleges and universities I attended to further my education and earn my degrees. All the students did, or else they were going to lose their spots. This won’t be the first time proof of vaccinations will be required for a service.

 

[SSG]

This is the usual 'parade of horribles/slippery slope' BS that always gets trotted out. With Amazon, food delivery, curb side pick-up and tons of other options, the obstinate will have numerous ways to acquire diapers and groceries.

As always, this argument reduces to 'I should be free to make my choice but I should suffer no consequences--not even a moment's inconvenience--for my choices.'

 

[truecoat]

Is it really ethical to deny an unvaccinated citizen the right to provide for their family? To buy groceries to feed their family? To buy diapers for their baby? To restrict travel? It's one thing to prohibit somebody from privileges like Disneyland or a university, but to deny basic needs to an individual simply because that somebody may have very valid concerns regarding the vaccine, that is something entirely different. You may wish we lived in a country that elevated the nation above the individual, where one man could make the decisions for the well-being of the masses, but we do live in such a country and we must allow for the individual to make their own decisions as to what enters their bodies.

Is it really ethical to deny your ability to provide for your family because you don't want to wear a mask for a few minutes?

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

Life is a two way street. If someone (or society as a whole) rightly or wrongly perceives a person as showing intentional disregard for others through their actions, don’t suddenly turn around and expect them to treat you as a martyr.

Disrespect begets disrespect. Don’t serve up sour grapes and expect sweet wine in return.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Would anyone else like to come up with a much more accurate comparison? Because this one ain’t it.

Any takers?

 

[el_super]

People are so focused on sticking it to the "afternoon wine moms" that they are blind to see the what they are cheering on is wrong. We are in a very dangerous position right now.

Not at all. Some of us have consistently called for more support and resources to be directed to underprivileged and underrepresented members of society, so that when emergencies such as this occur, that fear and distrust would be less of an issue.

 

[TP2000]

Part of the game the A*(hole anti-vaxxers are playing, is to keep this virus spreading and mutating, so that eventually, a variant will come along, that the vaccines are wholly ineffective against.

Then they will all turn around and say....."SEE!!!! The vaccines are worthless."

Who exactly are you talking about? In California we know who is vaccinated, and who is not, down to their zip code and neighborhood.

California breaks it out by county, which is wise since many of our counties are larger and more populated than some entire states. Here are the current hard facts on who is vaccinated, and who is not, in LA County (population 10.1 Million);

LA County Vaccination Rates as of August 1st, 2021:
63% of eligible LA County residents are Fully Vaccinated
77% of eligible Asians are Fully Vaccinated
67% of eligible Whites are Fully Vaccinated
66% of eligible American Indians are Fully Vaccinated
55% of eligible Latinos are Fully Vaccinated
46% of eligible Blacks are Fully Vaccinated

The highest vaccinated zip code in LA County is wealthy Playa Vista, at 98.9% Fully Vaccinated. The "old money" (or what passes for it in SoCal) city of Pasadena is 79% Fully Vaccinated. The "new money" city of Beverly Hills is 78% Fully Vaccinated.

On the other end of the spectrum are the inland and grittier working class communities of color, mainly Black and Latino. The city of Compton is only 58% Fully Vaccinated. Watts is only 55% Fully Vaccinated. La Rambla is only 56% Fully Vaccinated. All as of August 1st for this current reporting week.

LA County COVID-19 Vaccine Dashboard - LA County Department of Public Health

publichealth.lacounty.gov

The Zip Code map speaks volumes. With a few exceptions; that little pocket of brown and light green in west LA is the UCLA campus and surrounding student housing, who are mostly gone and/or vaccinated in their home zip codes. Malibu is technically mediocre vaccinated, but those are second homes for many people who were vaccinated in their primary zip code. I also have no idea what is going on out on Catalina Island, where there's more buffalo than humans but they have very low vaccination rates.

Also, the city of Long Beach must be commended for getting into its working class zip codes and achieving such high vaccination rates. My doctor friend at Mission Hospital says that Long Beach is a model of government efficiency and makes the City of Los Angeles and other neighboring cities in LA County look very bad by comparison.

 

[Tamandua]

Although I think masks are pointless, I have to say after visiting Disneyland yesterday that the indoor only requirement is basically more annoying than when they were required at all times indoors and outdoors. My wife and I forgot several times to pass off our kids masks to each other when we'd take one or the other, and we'd get stuck at the entrance to an attraction without a mask, sometimes after waiting in the outdoor section of the queue. You end up constantly taking out and stowing away masks, touching them constantly, setting them down, getting food on them, getting sweat all over them, getting multiple dirty hands on them as we shuffle in our backpacks looking for them as we go into rides or other indoor areas. By the end of the day, the masks were disgusting, and yet we were required to slap those things right onto our noses and mouths. This feels like the most counterproductive policy yet.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Simply move the mask beneath your chin. No need to continuously take it off, store it, then put it back on again.

 

[Sailor310]

I bought a nice, light mask neck strap on etsy

 

[Tamandua]

Simply move the mask beneath your chin. No need to continuously take it off, store it, then put it back on again.

Try getting a 4 year old to do that.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Try getting a 4 year old to do that.

I’m sure it’s not easy. Get creative, I’d say. Or simply stay home and you won’t have to worry about wearing masks at all.

 

[Tamandua]

I just don’t wear a mask.

Ironically, I've only been asked to wear a mask at DLR, which doesn't have any kind of legal requirement to enforce masks. In LA County, I've yet to be asked to wear a mask anywhere. I think businesses here are just over it, or at least in the area where I live. Policy matters aside, the one thing that is entirely different from a year ago is that no one seems to be afraid of covid anymore. I still think about how crazy it is that we thought the mortality rate could top 10% in March 2020 and we just said "let's close down for two weeks just to slow it down a little." Now we have better data but act like it's much more serious than that.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Is it really ethical to deny an unvaccinated citizen the right to provide for their family? To buy groceries to feed their family? To buy diapers for their baby? To restrict travel? It's one thing to prohibit somebody from privileges like Disneyland or a university, but to deny basic needs to an individual simply because that somebody may have very valid concerns regarding the vaccine, that is something entirely different. You may wish we lived in a country that elevated the nation above the individual, where one man could make the decisions for the well-being of the masses, but we do live in such a country and we must allow for the individual to make their own decisions as to what enters their bodies.

Explain how it is unethical that one is no longer afforded the freedom to get polio in the US.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Explain how it is unethical that one is no longer afforded the freedom to get polio in the US.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[TP2000]

Ironically, I've only been asked to wear a mask at DLR, which doesn't have any kind of legal requirement to enforce masks. In LA County, I've yet to be asked to wear a mask anywhere. I think businesses here are just over it, or at least in the area where I live. Policy matters aside, the one thing that is entirely different from a year ago is that no one seems to be afraid of covid anymore. I still think about how crazy it is that we thought the mortality rate could top 10% in March 2020 and we just said "let's close down for two weeks just to slow it down a little." Now we have better data but act like it's much more serious than that.

Stop making sense. Rational thought is not at all fashionable in 2021. You must assume you are going to drop dead tomorrow because you are vaccinated.

I'm an old guy. I haven't been asked to wear a mask anywhere this summer in San Diego County. La Jolla is 100% mask free. We wander around like drunken sailors, depending on solid science and hard facts to protect us. Because La Jolla is slightly right of center, we don't have to Virtue Signal to anyone about how we are an Official Good Person by wearing a mask into a hair salon or boutique or bistro. We just... follow the science.

The vaccines work. Are you vaccinated? If so, you have nothing to worry about. Enjoy!

 

[Californian Elitist]

 

[TP2000]

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It is all kind of funny. I admit I laugh at it all on occasion.

But are you vaccinated? Then you are fine. The vaccines work. Follow the science. You have nothing to fear.

 

[Californian Elitist]

It is all kind of funny. I admit I laugh at it all on occasion.

But are you vaccinated? Then you are fine. The vaccines work. Follow the science. You have nothing to fear.

I’m not afraid of anything lol. I’m very vaccinated and still wear my lovely masks. Headed to Costa Rica tomorrow for work.