News Disneyland modifies mask policy - UPDATE 7/28/21

So if you're still likely to get and spread covid but you were never at risk of having a deadly case, then what's the point?
My wife (33 years old) got Covid last year and lost her sense of smell and taste for 3 months. It really sucked! We both got the Moderna shots in May with zero adverse affects. Back in June 2020, a friend of mine (28 years old) had his knee swell up like a balloon out of the blue. Turns out he was asymptomatic Covid positive and the spike proteins of the virus were attaching themselves to his red blood cells causing thrombosis. He spent days in the hospital and at one point, thought he was going to lose his leg. He got the vaccine in May as well, had a sore arm for 24 hrs after the second shot....

Yes anecdotal, but both of them were very low risk and had bad experiences with the virus. There's been 100's of millions of doses of the mrna vaccines administered at this point, it's safe and keeps you from being hospitalized or dying. So why not take it?
 

el_super

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Fully vaccinated family of four goes to Disneyland, three of them get covid.


1/4 efficacy... Not that great imo.

Wow thanks for posting this... this article had some really great points including this one:

After a quick getaway in Palm Springs, she suddenly experienced intense body aches, heavy congestion and fatigue. She tested positive the next day.​
“What I've gone through is basically like having a bad flu, which isn't the end of the world as much as it's not been fun,” Storm says.​
She’s recovering at home with over-the-counter medications but has never doubted her decision to get vaccinated: “Absolutely, stand by it, 100%. Had I not been vaccinated, it could be much worse, much longer, much more extreme, much scarier.”​
It's good to see that people fully understand that the vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching and harboring the virus, but actually impacts your body's ability to fight it. This is absolutely the right way to think of this. If you can justify taking Airborne or Emergen-C before a flight across the country, you can easily justify getting the vaccine.

Additionally though there was also this:

A few days after they returned from Disneyland, Jenny McHargue convinced her husband to go to the emergency room. He was having trouble breathing.​
“By that evening, he was like, ‘Yeah, I think it’s best for me to go,’” Jenny says.​
Mike’s chest was X-rayed to check for blood clots, a side effect that hadn’t occurred to them. The medical team didn’t find any and Mike was eager to check out as soon as his blood oxygen improved. He wanted to keep his hospital costs down.​
“I'm terrified of when the bill comes,” he confesses.​
The one person in the group that ended up in the hospital (due in part to his pre-existing condition), was concerned about staying too long due to a mounting hospital bill. Even if you don't want to look at this as a humanitarian crisis, look at this as purely a financial problem: hospitals can't keep running by giving away services for free, and the majority of people in this country can't afford the long term ICU/Ventilator support that a COVID patient could require. Even if you want to dogmatically hold that the virus is 99% survivable, some of those survivors are going to be straddled with long term debt and leave hospitals begging for more money.

And this pending financial crisis in the health care industry can all be prevented if people just got their vaccines.
 

DrAlice

Well-Known Member
@DrAlice tell us how the current vaccine works. It uses a different process than this?
In short, you are given a small bit of RNA (viral genetic code) that your body cells use to make a viral protein. The importance of this is that you are training the immune system to recognize the protein so that you can can respond FAST and STRONG when you see the real virus.

The difference between this and previous vaccines that just inject protein (think: tetanus shot) is that when you are making the protein, you can activate multiple parts of your immune system. This leads to a more robust response when you encounter the virus for real.

The implications for using this technology for other vaccines and therapies (as you mentioned earlier) are huge. Having this technology widely used successfully is one of the small silver linings in this crazy pandemic.

P.S. No, injecting RNA does NOT change YOUR genetic code. RNA is notoriously unstable and will break down within a couple of days. One of the struggles in developing the vaccine was to make the RNA stable enough to be useful.
 

Stevek

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P.S. No, injecting RNA does NOT change YOUR genetic code. RNA is notoriously unstable and will break down within a couple of days. One of the struggles in developing the vaccine was to make the RNA stable enough to be useful.
So I'm not going to sprout any extra digits on my hands and feet or a third eye? :p
 

Curious Constance

Well-Known Member
In short, you are given a small bit of RNA (viral genetic code) that your body cells use to make a viral protein. The importance of this is that you are training the immune system to recognize the protein so that you can can respond FAST and STRONG when you see the real virus.

The difference between this and previous vaccines that just inject protein (think: tetanus shot) is that when you are making the protein, you can activate multiple parts of your immune system. This leads to a more robust response when you encounter the virus for real.

The implications for using this technology for other vaccines and therapies (as you mentioned earlier) are huge. Having this technology widely used successfully is one of the small silver linings in this crazy pandemic.

P.S. No, injecting RNA does NOT change YOUR genetic code. RNA is notoriously unstable and will break down within a couple of days. One of the struggles in developing the vaccine was to make the RNA stable enough to be useful.
Now when do the microchips get added in?
 

SoCalDisneyLover

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Part of the game the A*(hole anti-vaxxers are playing, is to keep this virus spreading and mutating, so that eventually, a variant will come along, that the vaccines are wholly ineffective against.

Then they will all turn around and say....."SEE!!!! The vaccines are worthless."

Given how many are still to be vaccinated, I'd say there's a fairly good chance they'll be successful.
 
Part of the game the A*(hole anti-vaxxers are playing, is to keep this virus spreading and mutating, so that eventually, a variant will come along, that the vaccines are wholly ineffective against.

Then they will all turn around and say....."SEE!!!! The vaccines are worthless."

Given how many are still to be vaccinated, I'd say there's a fairly good chance they'll be successful.
So you're saying roughly 40% of the US population is purposely not getting the vaccine in hopes of a vaccine intolerant variant coming along so they can be proven correct? Riiiiight....
 

SoCalDisneyLover

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So you're saying roughly 40% of the US population is purposely not getting the vaccine in hopes of a vaccine intolerant variant coming along so they can be proven correct? Riiiiight....
I'm saying that their actions are such as they are, in an effort to prove that vaccinations are useless.

So when, as a direct result of their actions, a variant comes along that renders vaccinations useless, they will profess that fact as proof they were right all along.

This happens every day here in America. No different from those who maintain that they're healthy and resistant to the virus, and since they never get sick, that's proof of their belief.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
So you're saying roughly 40% of the US population is purposely not getting the vaccine in hopes of a vaccine intolerant variant coming along so they can be proven correct? Riiiiight....
Just for what its worth I think its closer to only 15-20% of the population who are eligible (those over 12) but for some reason haven't gotten the vaccine. The other 20ish% is those under 12 who aren't eligible.
 

mickEblu

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Just witnessed a man sneeze into his palm and then proceed to grab the hand railing on a bus. I’m now pro mask. Seriously, ew.

I’ll admit that experiment from last Sunday of me not wearing my mask pretty much stopped last Sunday. Started a job Monday where I don’t have a choice and it just bled into my personal life. I’m trained again. Sometimes it just seems easier to put the damn thing on and get on with the errand especially if it’s something quick.

Now the gym that’s another story. I walk in with it on and if I’m lifting weights or doing cardio that thing is down.
 

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