News Disneyland modifies mask policy - UPDATE 7/28/21

[truecoat]

Here's some interesting news...

Our neighbor to the north, Oregon (East Coasters please don't try to pronounce that, you only embarass yourselves) has just brought back the statewide mask mandate. Oregon has no major theme parks. It has two small regional amusement parks: Enchanted Forest just south of Salem (a Grimm's Fairytale amusement park in the woods), and Oaks Park in Portland (an old 1910's Trolley Park with a handful of rides, picnic grounds, and a roller rink)

Oregon to resume statewide indoor mask mandate as COVID hospitalizations break records

The governor will require many state employees to show proof of full vaccination status.

www.oregonlive.com

And yet, California has no statewide mask mandate. Governor Newsom won't touch it. Won't even mention it.

Oregon = 56.5% Fully Vaccinated
California = 53.7% Fully Vaccinated

#46 Oregon = 690 Covid Deaths Per 1 Million
#32 California = 1,641 Covid Deaths Per 1 Million

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

Too many Facebook users in California.

 

[Stevek]

Here's some interesting news...

Our neighbor to the north, Oregon (East Coasters please don't try to pronounce that, you only embarass yourselves) has just brought back the statewide mask mandate. Oregon has no major theme parks. It has two small regional amusement parks: Enchanted Forest just south of Salem (a Grimm's Fairytale amusement park in the woods), and Oaks Park in Portland (an old 1910's Trolley Park with a handful of rides, picnic grounds, and a roller rink)

Oregon to resume statewide indoor mask mandate as COVID hospitalizations break records

The governor will require many state employees to show proof of full vaccination status.

www.oregonlive.com

And yet, California has no statewide mask mandate. Governor Newsom won't touch it. Won't even mention it.

Oregon = 56.5% Fully Vaccinated
California = 53.7% Fully Vaccinated

#46 Oregon = 690 Covid Deaths Per 1 Million
#32 California = 1,641 Covid Deaths Per 1 Million

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

My wife got a breakthrough case this week, she had pretty bad flu like symptoms for 2 days, is fatigued and lost her sense of smell and taste. But she will be fine. She was vaccinated. Everyone should be wearing a mask again.

 

[DrAlice]

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Even with the vaccine...

• You still have to wear the mask.
• You still have to be tested.
• You still have to socially distance.
• You can still contract Covid.
• You can still spread Covid.
• You can still be hospitalized with Covid.
• You can still die from Covid.

There is no incentive for those who are not already vaccinated to receive the vaccine. Y'all can say it reduces the chance of contraction, the chance hospitalization, the chance of death, but the chances of any of that are low even without the vaccine for the average healthy person.

I am curious, however, has there been a significant uptick in Californians receiving the vaccine, particularly Los Angelenos, since the CDC reversed their guidelines regarding indoor masking?

Testing vaccinated people is dumb. Yes, that's my official opinion. If for no other reason than it makes people think the erroneous things you wrote up there.

I'll break it down:

• Vaccines don't prevent infection, they prevent disease and death. Testing vaccinated people is going to find positive cases in the vaccinated that are not sick and not likely to spread the virus. This is just going to lead to more nonsense and panic. It's very frustrating.
• Again, there is no clear evidence that vaccinated people (that aren't sick) can spread the virus to a level that would infect someone else. Sick vaccinated people (a small fraction, as vaccines are not 100%) are more likely to be able to spread the virus.
• Again, vaccines are not 100%. They never have been. A small percentage are going to get sick. We knew that already. HOWEVER, the risk of getting a serious case of COVID (hospitalized, ventilator, death) is FAR less than dying on the freeway (by a LOT). In other words, you might get a mild illness, but you won't die. That means it works. They aren't meant to prevent a cold.
• You have to mask and socially distance still because the vaccine isn't 100% AND because people like my kid can't be vaccinated yet! Until vaccines are available for everyone, the only guns we have against this thing are masks and social distancing.
• I've gone on record here before saying that I think the CDC was wrong to advise anyone to stop masking. Masking really isn't that big of a deal and it helps prevent disease spread while we wait for vaccines to be available for all.

Cases in vaccinated people are rising because the number of vaccinated people is rising. The PERCENTAGE has not changed. The vaccines are not 100% effective and they never have been.

Bottom line: the vaccines work! I'm sorry that the messaging sucks.

Be patient. Vaccines for school-aged kids will be here before you know it.

 

[Tamandua]

Stop living in fear.

 

[DrAlice]

Why are they doing this?

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."

Remember that internal CDC PowerPoint presentation that made such a fuss in the media? It's nothing but ironic to me that its purpose was to discuss how they can change their messaging to convince more people to get vaccinated.

 

[Tamandua]

I'm trying to understand how being required to have the vaccine to enter the grocery store falls under the umbrella of "emergency use authorization." It's insanity. It's not science. It's not public health. It's pure nonsense at this point. People are afraid to acknowledge simple truths because dissent is censored and mocked.

I'm so tired of hearing "Vaccines don't prevent infection." That was the promise a few months ago. But the goal posts are constantly being moved. Just like when we all had to wear masks outside before the people demanding that suddenly decided that was never necessary... Like we're revising history. Oceania has always been at war with EastAsia. We never wore masks outside. Vaccines were never supposed to prevent infection. Vaccines were never supposed to prevent transmission. You were never supposed to just get two shots. It was always going to be a semi-annual booster.

Just like all the people who said mere months ago that vaccine passports would never be required now demand them immediately. Lies, lies, and more lies.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm trying to understand how being required to have the vaccine to enter the grocery store falls under the umbrella of "emergency use authorization." It's insanity. It's not science. It's not public health. It's pure nonsense at this point. People are afraid to acknowledge simple truths because dissent is censored and mocked.

I'm so tired of hearing "Vaccines don't prevent infection." That was the promise a few months ago. But the goal posts are constantly being moved. Just like when we all had to wear masks outside before the people demanding that suddenly decided that was never necessary... Like we're revising history. Oceania has always been at war with EastAsia. We never wore masks outside. Vaccines were never supposed to prevent infection. Vaccines were never supposed to prevent transmission. You were never supposed to just get two shots. It was always going to be a semi-annual booster.

Just like all the people who said mere months ago that vaccine passports would never be required now demand them immediately. Lies, lies, and more lies.

Constantly misunderstanding things doesn’t make them lies. It’s amazing how the basics of viral infection and vaccination are just not understood.

 

[DrAlice]

The word "infection" does not mean the same thing as "disease".

-2 pts.

 

[DrAlice]

Is there shame in not understanding something you've not formally studied? Should a man be required under threat to submit to what he does not know and love?

There's is no shame in not understanding something. There is shame in refusing to rectify that and being angry about that which you don't understand. Well, I don't know if there is shame, but it is certainly silly in the age of the interwebs. And public libraries. And textbooks and stuff.

 

[celluloid]

Wyoming

If you go to Wyoming(maybe you have) you would understand.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Is there shame in not understanding something you've not formally studied? Should a man be required under threat to submit to what he does not know and love?

We’re talking about a middle school level understanding of microbiology, not any sort of advanced study. Not knowing or understanding is not what is shameful. It’s pushing misunderstanding, lies and doubt in the very concept of knowledge that is shameful. If you don’t even know the very basics of a subject you are in no position to declare other people liars or make claims about what is actually true.

The idea that ignorance somehow affords superior rights and the right to engage in activities that can harm others is just bonkers. Will you please explain how we are worse off without polio? Will you explain why Typhoid Mary should have been allowed to continue to infect and kill people because she didn’t understand germ theory?

 

[SSG]

My ignorance is as good as your knowledge. I read that on Facebook.

 

[DrAlice]

Not sure if this is violating the rules to post, so mods feel free to delete if it is. Anyway, here's a good explanation of the benefits of the COVID vaccine.

Still Unsure About Getting The COVID-19 Vaccine? Start Here. (fivethirtyeight.com)

 

[Californian Elitist]

Speaking of education levels, why is it that people with PhD's are the least likely to get vaccinated?

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Not everyone with PhDs is intelligent and makes smart decisions.

 

[SSG]

Why would someone's degree in Elizabethan Poetry have any relevance to someone else's healthcare decisions?

 

[DrAlice]

Speaking of education levels, why is it that people with PhD's are the least likely to get vaccinated?

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*cough* Error bars? *cough*

The sample size isn't equivalent either. They surveyed 10x more people with bachelor's degrees and 6x more people with master's degrees. I'm not saying it is necessarily wrong. I'm just saying, do it again and show me the same thing.

P.S. This is a preprint. That means it also hasn't gone through peer review.

 

[Sailor310]

Why would someone's degree in Elizabethan Poetry have any relevance to someone else's healthcare decisions?

I have a cousin who has a PhD in Scandinavian Children's Literature. She knows ALL about this epidemiology stuff.

 

[SSG]

I'm glad it's fewer kids hospitalized recently. I'm also glad the Tribune corrected it's error, like responsible news organizations do.

Not that 783 kids hospitalized in a month is anything to be proud of.

 

[TP2000]

Testing vaccinated people is dumb. Yes, that's my official opinion. If for no other reason than it makes people think the erroneous things you wrote up there.

I'll break it down:

• Vaccines don't prevent infection, they prevent disease and death. Testing vaccinated people is going to find positive cases in the vaccinated that are not sick and not likely to spread the virus. This is just going to lead to more nonsense and panic. It's very frustrating.
• Again, there is no clear evidence that vaccinated people (that aren't sick) can spread the virus to a level that would infect someone else. Sick vaccinated people (a small fraction, as vaccines are not 100%) are more likely to be able to spread the virus.
• Again, vaccines are not 100%. They never have been. A small percentage are going to get sick. We knew that already. HOWEVER, the risk of getting a serious case of COVID (hospitalized, ventilator, death) is FAR less than dying on the freeway (by a LOT). In other words, you might get a mild illness, but you won't die. That means it works. They aren't meant to prevent a cold.
• You have to mask and socially distance still because the vaccine isn't 100% AND because people like my kid can't be vaccinated yet! Until vaccines are available for everyone, the only guns we have against this thing are masks and social distancing.
• I've gone on record here before saying that I think the CDC was wrong to advise anyone to stop masking. Masking really isn't that big of a deal and it helps prevent disease spread while we wait for vaccines to be available for all.

Cases in vaccinated people are rising because the number of vaccinated people is rising. The PERCENTAGE has not changed. The vaccines are not 100% effective and they never have been.

Bottom line: the vaccines work! I'm sorry that the messaging sucks.

Be patient. Vaccines for school-aged kids will be here before you know it.

I love all of that, and agree with you quite strongly. Thank you again for your consistent sane information about all this mess.

Stop living in fear.

I also agree with that. I don't live in fear of the Flu, or a drunk driver killing me on the way to Ralph's, or catching Covid after vaccination, or being hit by lightning.

I enjoy life. We all have so much to be thankful for. I refuse to live in fear. Enjoy life!

 

[TP2000]

I'm glad it's fewer kids hospitalized recently. I'm also glad the Tribune corrected it's error, like responsible news organizations do.

Not that 783 kids hospitalized in a month is anything to be proud of.

True. But Texas has just over 7 Million children under age 18 living there. There are over 29 Million Texans total, 7 Million are under 18.

783 out of 7 Million is 0.01% of the population of Texan children. And since it's nearly impossible for a child to be hospitalized for Covid without pre-existing health problems and co-morbidities (cancer, childhood diseases, childhood diabetes, etc.) it's important to remember that at least several hundred of those children would be admitted to the hospital within five weeks time regardless of Covid status.

I'm not saying it's inconsequential that children become sick, and some die. But some perspective is warranted on those numbers in a huge state like Texas. 0.01% of the population of already sickly children admitted to the hospital adds some perspective.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/TX