News Disneyland modifies mask policy - UPDATE 7/28/21

[mickEblu]

I supposed if somebody who is vaccinated contracts the virus and is symptomatic, sure they’re as likely to spread it as somebody who is unvaccinated and contracts the virus, but then the question is how likely is somebody vaccinated to contract the virus in the first place?

EDIT: Why is the MSM pushing so much distrust in the vaccines all of a sudden?
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I know it’s is interesting that they are suddenly pushing so much distrust. It almost makes me want to go get vaccinated. Lol. But seriously it’s refreshing to think the media can be fair and balanced and you know… just report the news instead of pushing an agenda.

 

[mickEblu]

Sorry, not shouting at you. My strong reaction is at the news media. There is SO MUCH INCORRECT & misleading on that screenshot, I can't see straight. I didn't mean to hit you in the crossfire.

Haha no worries. Ultimately my point is if unvaccinated people aren’t harming anyone but themselves (since transmission and contraction rates are the same as vaccinated people) what’s all the fuss about?

 

[DrAlice]

Haha no worries. Ultimately my point is if unvaccinated people aren’t harming anyone but themselves (since transmission and contraction rates are the same as vaccinated people) what’s all the fuss about?

Because that assertion is incorrect. And, for the sake of argument, even if delta did have this result, not all COVID is caused by delta. So, the more unvaccinated people there are, the more disease you are going to have.

Add in this:
At this point in time, my kid (and yours) can't get vaccinated. The more unvaccinated people that are out there, the higher the chance that our kids get COVID. And, please don't believe the hype that they can't get a serious disease. They can. It isn't a high risk, but it certainly isn't zero. There have also been some long COVID cases in kids too. This disease is no joke.

Until vaccines are available to everyone that wants one, we need to continue to encourage people to wear a mask and get vaccinated. Once vaccines are fully available to everyone, we can have a different conversation about how much fuss to have.

The media isn't good at parsing the science, and many scientists are terrible at speaking to the public (I resisted the urge to shout about the other screen shot in this thread.. haha). It's unfortunate, because both cause a bunch of stress and misunderstanding in the public.

 

[SoCalDisneyLover]

Understood. Sorry for the nitpick. I'm just trying to calm people down.

Good Luck. One person at a time. You've got a long way to go. Hope you're not busy for the next few months/years.

 

[Curious Constance]

Because that assertion is incorrect. And, for the sake of argument, even if delta did have this result, not all COVID is caused by delta. So, the more unvaccinated people there are, the more disease you are going to have.

Add in this:
At this point in time, my kid (and yours) can't get vaccinated. The more unvaccinated people that are out there, the higher the chance that our kids get COVID. And, please don't believe the hype that they can't get a serious disease. They can. It isn't a high risk, but it certainly isn't zero. There have also been some long COVID cases in kids too. This disease is no joke.

Until vaccines are available to everyone that wants one, we need to continue to encourage people to wear a mask and get vaccinated. Once vaccines are fully available to everyone, we can have a different conversation about how much fuss to have.

The media isn't good at parsing the science, and many scientists are terrible at speaking to the public (I resisted the urge to shout about the other screen shot in this thread.. haha). It's unfortunate, because both cause a bunch of stress and misunderstanding in the public.

Question and statement.
I know that because my family has been vaccinated, if we catch Covid we are much less likely to have serious symptoms or require hospitalization, but does it also lessen the chance of the long term health effects Covid can have?
And I’m concerned that there just is no way of convincing enough people to vaccinate and all of this will just continue on and on and on. And the vaccines will stop working and the mutations will continue getting worse. I’m so annoyed and frustrated.

 

[SSG]

Some of the media frames the story for the dramatic scare headline in ways that are accurate but misleading. Like this:

A village has 100 people.
99 of them are vaccinated.
1 is not.
2 people become sick with Covid, 1 of whom is the unvaccinated person.

Media: “50% of cases in this outbreak cluster occurred in the vaccinated!!”

This is what we’re seeing. It's not 'wrong', but it's misleading, and it’s irresponsible reporting.

EDIT: Just saw this from NBC: "At least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans tested positive for Covid"

The Public: 125,000 sounds like a big number!

The Facts: 125,000 out of 164,000,000 people vaccinated … not so much. This represents less than .08 percent of the 164.2 million-plus people who have been fully vaccinated since January, or about one in every 1,300.

 

[socalifornian]

Doom and gloom always sells, but stations also agree to not showcase any sort of slanted or biased angles as part of their broadcast license with the FCC. Pandemic related topics aren’t their only offense but nothing’s going to change until the rules are actually enforced

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Doom and gloom always sells, but stations also agree to not showcase any sort of slanted or biased angles as part of their broadcast license with the FCC. Pandemic related topics aren’t their only offense but nothing’s going to change until the rules are actually enforced

It's shameful and abhorrent that they aren't.

 

[DrAlice]

Question and statement.
I know that because my family has been vaccinated, if we catch Covid we are much less likely to have serious symptoms or require hospitalization, but does it also lessen the chance of the long term health effects Covid can have?
And I’m concerned that there just is no way of convincing enough people to vaccinate and all of this will just continue on and on and on. And the vaccines will stop working and the mutations will continue getting worse. I’m so annoyed and frustrated.

Answer: Not what you want to hear, but the answer is "it isn't known yet". There is far less data on long COVID than the rest. If I had to guess (and it is a wild guess, so take it with a grain of salt), if the vaccine is preventing more serious disease, it is probably preventing long COVID to the same degree. The problem is that docs and virologists still don't have a clear handle on why some get long COVID and some don't.

I have the same concern and frustration. But, hope springs eternal, right? All I can do at this stage is hope for the best by protecting my kid and doing my best to encourage people to vaccinate and wear a mask.

Oh.... And turn off main-stream media. That helps a lot.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

No one should complain about anything out of their control then right?

I would imagine it would be akin to crying over spilt milk.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

I supposed if somebody who is vaccinated contracts the virus and is symptomatic, sure they’re as likely to spread it as somebody who is unvaccinated and contracts the virus, but then the question is how likely is somebody vaccinated to contract the virus in the first place?

EDIT: Why is the MSM pushing so much distrust in the vaccines all of a sudden?
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then i guess those who are unvaccinated should get vaccinated to stop the spread.

 

[mickEblu]

Because that assertion is incorrect. And, for the sake of argument, even if delta did have this result, not all COVID is caused by delta. So, the more unvaccinated people there are, the more disease you are going to have.

Add in this:
At this point in time, my kid (and yours) can't get vaccinated. The more unvaccinated people that are out there, the higher the chance that our kids get COVID. And, please don't believe the hype that they can't get a serious disease. They can. It isn't a high risk, but it certainly isn't zero. There have also been some long COVID cases in kids too. This disease is no joke.

Until vaccines are available to everyone that wants one, we need to continue to encourage people to wear a mask and get vaccinated. Once vaccines are fully available to everyone, we can have a different conversation about how much fuss to have.

The media isn't good at parsing the science, and many scientists are terrible at speaking to the public (I resisted the urge to shout about the other screen shot in this thread.. haha). It's unfortunate, because both cause a bunch of stress and misunderstanding in the public.

Thanks for the detailed response. Have the vaccines not available to everyone? They re free and were being offered everywhere.

EDIT: also @DrAlice in regards to the original COVID strain, just over a month ago the powers that be thought things were ok enough to open everything up back again and get rid of the mask mandates for vaccinated people. The only reason that’s changing now is because of the delta variant. That’s the only thing that’s new in the equation. Unless “Delta variant” is code for the vaccine didn’t work so keep your mask on.

 

[ArmoredRodent]

Umm, ... guys, I think you may be talking about a different virus variant here than the screenshot in mickEblu's post (#557), shown again below. All y'all are talking about Delta.

KTLA's screenshot is very clear that the variant it is describing is "Detla." Probably yet another mutation. Right? Or maybe they just spell it differently in LA, probably because ... you know ... "LA" is in one and not the other? Or, for Dr.Alice, this is just another example of the old adage that "if you see a news article on a topic you know more about than the reporter, the chances of the story being at least partially wrong approaches 100%".

 

[Curious Constance]

Thanks for the detailed response. Have the vaccines not available to everyone? They re free and were being offered everywhere.

I think she means kids under 12 who can’t get one yet.

 

[Curious Constance]

Thanks for the detailed response. Have the vaccines not available to everyone? They re free and were being offered everywhere.

EDIT: also @DrAlice just over a month ago the powers that be thought things were ok enough to open everything up back again and get rid of the mask mandates. The only reason that’s changing now is because of the delta variant. That’s the only thing that’s new in the equation. Unless “Delta variant” is code for the vaccine didn’t work so keep your mask on.

Unvaccinated people shouldn’t have stopped wearing masks, the recommendation has always been only those that are vaccinated should stop wearing them indoors. Perhaps if that had happened in reality, things wouldn’t have gotten back to this point. Or perhaps indoor masks were taken away too soon for everyone and they shouldn’t have gone away until we reached higher vaccination rates. But If masks help enable things to stay open and help curb the spread from getting out of control again, that’s preferable to the alternative isn’t it?

 

[mickEblu]

Unvaccinated people shouldn’t have stopped wearing masks, the recommendation has always been only those that are vaccinated should stop wearing them indoors. Perhaps if that had happened in reality, things wouldn’t have gotten back to this point. Or perhaps indoor masks were taken away too soon for everyone and they shouldn’t have gone away until we reached higher vaccination rates. But If masks help enable things to stay open and help curb the spread from getting out of control again, that’s preferable to the alternative isn’t it?

Right but why do vaccinated people have to wear masks again?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Right but why do vaccinated people have to wear masks again?

Because they can also spread virus and with everyone maskless, spread was then too great. It really is too bad we can’t verify status. Maybe it won’t be political suicide to do so once kids can get the vaccine in the fall. Or maybe we will all just refuse to listen at that point. Right now, I’m doing it for the kids. I have run out of compassion for adults. There are, indeed, children on ventilators as we type. I can wear a mask for them until they can get the shot.

 

[mickEblu]

Because they can also spread virus and with everyone maskless, spread was then too great. It really is too bad we can’t verify status. Maybe it won’t be political suicide to do so once kids can get the vaccine in the fall. Or maybe we will all just refuse to listen at that point. Right now, I’m doing it for the kids. I have run out of compassion for adults. There are, indeed, children on ventilators as we type. I can wear a mask for them until they can get the shot.

Are there really? I feel like the media would be all over that. Then again, I don’t watch very much news.

 

[DrAlice]

Are there really?

Yes.

 

[SoCalDisneyLover]

So far as I'm concerned, once the deaths start mounting in Florida, AND THEY WILL, Disney & Universal become enablers in the Governor's little political game of, How Many People Can I Kill To Achieve Herd Immunity Through Infection?

They are a HUGE lifeline to his authority. Without them, the economy in FL takes a tremendous hit. Sure, there would be a degree of self sacrifice, but in the end, it would be for the greater good. Shut the parks down.

If anything is going to force that state's Governor to take this seriously, perhaps the thing he worship's most, $$$$$$$$$$, would allow him to get religion.