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News Disneyland modifies mask policy - UPDATE 7/28/21
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THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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No I went into a thread about Disney making masks indoors mandatory again saying how dumb it is complain about a rule you can't change.
ImperfectPixie
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What news outlet is that?
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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Looks like sreenshot from local news broadcast
mickEblu
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KTLA 5
ImperfectPixie
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Thanks
CaptinEO
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No one should complain about anything out of their control then right?
CaptinEO
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Because this is true with any virus vaccine. Even things like anti-bacterial soap have created stronger bacteria.
It's natural selection. The virus that is less deterred by the vaccine (Delta) will live and grow as it has an easier time spreading than the original variant.
ImperfectPixie
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The vaccines have taken a hit from Delta because it slightly increased the chances of a vaccinated person becoming actively infected (not a huge deal), but the viral load from a vaccinated person who is actively infected is equivalent to that of an unvaccinated person (big deal). So where we could assume someone vaccinated wasn't very likely to spread Alpha if they did become infected, the same does not hold true for Delta.
The vaccines are still extraordinarily good at keeping us from becoming severely ill, hospitalized or from dying.
I actually asked this question the other day - could we accidentally "teach" the virus to evade the vaccines...I believe it was either @hopemax or @Heppenheimer who answered "not really" because the vaccines specifically inhibit the virus' ability to reproduce within our bodies. If the virus can't reproduce, it doesn't have a chance to mutate (I think I've got this right). Perhaps one of them can answer whether Delta has changed the answer to this question since it infects vaccinated people and spreads from them more easily?
ETA: Also, one of the big issues with COVID is that it is very spreadable BEFORE a person becomes symptomatic.
dovetail65
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Maybe we need have a federal standard or something. I liked that the sticker was taken right off the vaccine vial in front of me and the sticker placed right on my card, then I watched her draw the vaccine right out of that vial the sticker came off off. Handwritten leaves room for error. I know when this started it was more rushed, but seems to me as time goes by this all can be standardized from all the cards looking the same across all the states to the process of the information being placed on the cards being the same.
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Californian Elitist
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I have both a physical and digital copy of my vaccine.
DrAlice
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I viscerally hate the news media right now.
I'm going to shout this from the rooftops: VACCINES DON'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION. THEY PREVENT DISEASE! Let me shout it another way: If we are all vaccinated and pass around the delta variant, it won't matter. We'll be passing around a virus that doesn't make anyone sick (because we are vaccinated). You know, like all the viruses that are in your nose right now that aren't hurting you. You aren't sterile. You aren't meant to be. Ugh...
Anyway..... It will be ok everyone. Here is the real deal:
* The CDC should have NEVER relaxed the mask mandates when we don't have vaccine coverage. (Unvaccinated ppl took off their masks too! I mean, duh, right?)
* Get the population vaccinated and we will get through this.
* Continue to wear a mask until we reach high vaccination rates and low case rates (or you live with someone that can't get vaccinated - until this is truly over).
* The above two rules apply to ALL variants of the virus. Delta is not an exception.
UGh..... This is why I tuned out awhile ago.
DrAlice
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Ok, I'm going to get technical. Bear with me..... Vaccinated people absolutely will contract the virus. This is NOT NEW. Let's do an example....
I come into contact with a symptomatic COVID patient and they spray their virus-laden snot at my nose. I contract the virus. It gets in my nose and it replicates. If I were to get a COVID test, I might even have enough of the viral RNA (its genetic code) to get a positive test result. However, because I've been vaccinated, my immune system recognizes this beast and destroys enough full virus particles that I don't get sick and don't pass them on (at least, not very many of them).
With delta, they are detecting that viral RNA in vaccinated noses at a high degree (similar to unvaccinated noses). The CDC is concerned that this MIGHT mean that full virus is present in the nose at a high degree. WE DON'T KNOW THAT. We know that delta is faster at replicating. It's entirely likely that in vaccinated people, your immune system can still take care of this extra replication just fine and there isn't a significant difference in the amount of active viral spread of vaccinated people. Until somebody actually shows how many active viruses are coming out of the noses of vaccinated people, this is just conjecture. BUT, because they are a public health organization, the CDC is acting out of caution and using all information to convince people to get vaccinated. Please don't let this tactic scare you.
Again, the bottom line: Vaccines aren't perfect, but they still prevent disease and hospitalization well (even with delta!). So, get vaccinated anyway. It's not a bad idea to continue to wear a mask. Once we can vaccinate most of the population, this will be done. We just have to get there.
EDIT TO ADD: Yes, if you are vaccinated and actually get COVID (positive test, symptoms), you should assume you are shedding enough active virus to spread it. This isn't new. Vaccines are not 100%.
DrAlice
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Again, we don't know that viral load is different. This is conjecture based on presence of RNA (see previous post). And since the vaccines still prevent disease and hospitalization by the delta variant, it is highly likely that that conjecture is at least partially incorrect.
Coronaviruses mutate a lot. It's what they do. This is why we've seen so many new variants come up. Those changes will happen whether or not we have vaccination. So, no, vaccinating people doesn't "teach" the virus to be different. They make themselves different all the time anyway. Again, it's what they do.
If we continue to allow the virus to replicate and mutate in unvaccinated people, we increase the likelihood that enough changes will happen that the vaccines stop working. This is why it is important to get this done quickly. Get vaccinated. Wear a mask until this is over. (Broken record x 1000.. haha)
In response to your edit: MANY viruses are spreadable before you are symptomatic. This isn't unique to SARS-CoV2.
ImperfectPixie
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I didn't say being spreadable prior to being symptomatic is unique - just that it's one of the big challenges of COVID.
DrAlice
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Understood. Sorry for the nitpick. I'm just trying to calm people down.
ImperfectPixie
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No worries. It's all too easy to nitpick little things even when you agree because the topic is so serious and big in our lives. I've been guilty a few times myself.Understood. Sorry for the nitpick. I'm just trying to calm people down.
mickEblu
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I understand this. I have mentioned many times that vaccinations don’t prevent transmission and have been told otherwise (many times) on this thread. Many people who want life to to go back to normal seem to think being vaccinated means one cannot contract or transmit COVID.
DrAlice
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Sorry, not shouting at you. My strong reaction is at the news media. There is SO MUCH INCORRECT & misleading on that screenshot, I can't see straight. I didn't mean to hit you in the crossfire.