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News Disneyland modifies mask policy - UPDATE 7/28/21
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Wendy Pleakley
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I get the NY Times daily newsletter and their big point today was that we just don't know enough. They give examples of areas where it flared then declined where logic said it should have kept going. Excerpts:
A more plausible explanation appears to be that Delta spreads very quickly at first and, for some unknown set of reasons, peters out long before a society has reached herd immunity. As Andy Slavitt, a former Covid adviser to President Biden, told me, “It seems to rip through really fast and infect the people it’s going to infect.” The most counterintuitive idea here is that an outbreak can fade even though many people remain vulnerable to Covid. |
That’s not guaranteed to happen everywhere, and there probably will be more variants after Delta. Remember: Covid behaves in mysterious ways. But Americans should not assume that Delta is destined to cause months of rising caseloads. Nor should they assume that a sudden decline, if one starts this summer, fits a tidy narrative that attributes the turnaround to rising vaccination and mask wearing. |
“These surges have little to do with what humans do,” Osterholm argues. “Only recently, with vaccines, have we begun to have a real impact.” |
No need for nihilism |
The most important step has been the vaccination of many older people. As a result, total British deaths have risen only modestly this summer, while deaths and hospitalizations remain rarer in heavily vaccinated parts of the U.S. than in less vaccinated ones. ... But Osterholm’s plea for humility does have policy implications. It argues for prioritizing vaccination over every other strategy. It also reminds us to avoid believing that we can always know which behaviors create risks. ... We are certainly not powerless in the face of Covid. We can reduce its risks, just as we can reduce the risks from driving, biking, swimming and many other everyday activities. But we cannot eliminate them. “We’re not in nearly as much control as we think are,” Osterholm said. |
DrAlice
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Translation: The vaccines work to prevent disease and hospitalization. You know, exactly as they were designed to do. These vaccines were never designed to prevent infection.
Also, no vaccine is 100% effective. These vaccines are anywhere from 60-95% effective at preventing disease. So, statistically, the more people that get vaccinated, the more we will see people that were vaccinated get sick. It isn't a "breakthrough infection" (I despise that term as it is misleading), it is just math. (And yes, it sucks if you are one of those people.)
Bottom line: Just go get vaccinated. Wear a mask if you can't be vaccinated. If we all just do that, this will be over sooner rather than later.
Wendy Pleakley
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How about we NOT discuss baseless conspiracy theories that vaccines don't work against the Delta variant...
Wendy Pleakley
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How about we NOT discuss any of the countless COVID conspiracy theories simply because "several people" mentioned them...
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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<<The theater will require a photo ID and proof of vaccination -- either a physical vaccination card, a picture of a vaccination card or a digital vaccination record.
Guests under age 12, those who need a reasonable accommodation for medical reasons or due to a "sincerely held religious belief" must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 PCR test taken within 72 hours prior to entering the theater, the company said.
Children under 5 will not be admitted to the theatre.
In addition, masks are required for all ticket holders, regardless of vaccination status, the company said. Masks must be worn at all times, except when eating or drinking in designated areas >>
I see this as the canary in the coal mine. I’d expect this to be a much more common policy among other venues this late summer and fall.
abc7.com
Guests under age 12, those who need a reasonable accommodation for medical reasons or due to a "sincerely held religious belief" must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 PCR test taken within 72 hours prior to entering the theater, the company said.
Children under 5 will not be admitted to the theatre.
In addition, masks are required for all ticket holders, regardless of vaccination status, the company said. Masks must be worn at all times, except when eating or drinking in designated areas >>
I see this as the canary in the coal mine. I’d expect this to be a much more common policy among other venues this late summer and fall.
Hollywood Pantages Theatre to require ticket holders be fully vaccinated when it reopens
The Hollywood Pantages Theatre will require ticket holders to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and show proof when it reopens next month, officials announced Friday.
abc7.com
DrAlice
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The only way out of this thing is through vaccination. Period. NO ONE wants another lockdown, so I agree that more businesses are going to go this path instead. Will Disney? I bet they will if case rates get bad enough. They don't want another year-plus shutdown.I see this as the canary in the coal mine. I’d expect this to be a much more common policy among other venues this late summer and fall.
Hollywood Pantages Theatre to require ticket holders be fully vaccinated when it reopens
The Hollywood Pantages Theatre will require ticket holders to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and show proof when it reopens next month, officials announced Friday.
P.S. A friendly reminder that schools (K-12 and college) ALREADY REQUIRE all sorts of vaccines for enrollment. This concept is not new.
Californian Elitist
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More of this, please.<<The theater will require a photo ID and proof of vaccination -- either a physical vaccination card, a picture of a vaccination card or a digital vaccination record.
Guests under age 12, those who need a reasonable accommodation for medical reasons or due to a "sincerely held religious belief" must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 PCR test taken within 72 hours prior to entering the theater, the company said.
Children under 5 will not be admitted to the theatre.
In addition, masks are required for all ticket holders, regardless of vaccination status, the company said. Masks must be worn at all times, except when eating or drinking in designated areas >>
I see this as the canary in the coal mine. I’d expect this to be a much more common policy among other venues this late summer and fall.
Hollywood Pantages Theatre to require ticket holders be fully vaccinated when it reopens
The Hollywood Pantages Theatre will require ticket holders to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and show proof when it reopens next month, officials announced Friday.
Californian Elitist
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That part. Anti-vaxxers can only shield their children from vaccines for so long. Once they get to college, at least in the United States, they’ll have to get multiple shots at once if they want to attend classes.
Californian Elitist
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It doesn’t matter where they want to send them. My parents didn’t want me going to Massachusetts for school, but that’s exactly what I did. They will be able to make their own decisions. Any child who isn’t afraid to do what they want will attend the school of their choice and will get vaccinated.
If providing proof of vaccination is the only way us vaccinated folks can live our lives without them being interrupted my anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers, then I’m for it. Segregate away.
ImperfectPixie
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I really think we need to scare the pants of the people who are resisting vaccination for "reasons" (not those who have difficulties). I don't know how else to get through to these knuckleheads.
ToTBellHop
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I like this. Mandates are hard in America so just make it a hassle to be unvaccinated. Time to start poking instead of only providing carrots.<<The theater will require a photo ID and proof of vaccination -- either a physical vaccination card, a picture of a vaccination card or a digital vaccination record.
Guests under age 12, those who need a reasonable accommodation for medical reasons or due to a "sincerely held religious belief" must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 PCR test taken within 72 hours prior to entering the theater, the company said.
Children under 5 will not be admitted to the theatre.
In addition, masks are required for all ticket holders, regardless of vaccination status, the company said. Masks must be worn at all times, except when eating or drinking in designated areas >>
I see this as the canary in the coal mine. I’d expect this to be a much more common policy among other venues this late summer and fall.
Hollywood Pantages Theatre to require ticket holders be fully vaccinated when it reopens
The Hollywood Pantages Theatre will require ticket holders to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and show proof when it reopens next month, officials announced Friday.
el_super
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A shutdown isn't the only negative impact this could have. Disney will start losing attendance if people don't feel safe going to the park. They will start to lose money. Just a question of how much money they can lose before creating a new process becomes financially viable.
You just remind me of just how good we have had it the last 50 plus years.
Californian Elitist
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I think restricting access to things for the unvaccinated is a good start. We already do that, so what would be the difference here? Privileges for those who are vaccinated should continue.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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Even in my relatively short life I remember a time when the host/hostess would ask you if you wanted to sit in the smoking or non-smoking section at your local Denny’s. Back when airplanes had ash trays too. When you could literally walk right up to the gate of Disneyland, go to school, or even up to the gate of an airplane to greet your family… without going through a metal detector.
I even recall a time when gasoline wasn’t self service, when I thought it was so cool when my dad’s company car had a “portable car phone” attached. And when I got to save up for my first Nokia flip in middle school.
The point is people adjust to new/evolving norms, some easier than others. The irony here being vaccines were actually the long accepted norm in this country before the era of the 24 hour news cycle and social media contributed to casting doubt. Perhaps some norms aren’t meant to be broken? Guess time will tell.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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If a civil war is what is being suggested/implied then I don’t know what more I can say. If this is the “breaking point” most likely we were already heading in that direction anyway due to broader factors/dynamics beyond this board/topic.
Out of respect for the mods, I really don’t want to get too far into politics in this thread but will remind folks the vaccine is literally the byproduct of Operation Warp Speed. Its co-financing and development was supported under the Trump Administration and was led by VP Pence and the Administration’s appointed health experts as well as apolitical/nonpartisan careerists at the agency level.
Credit where it is due, I can think of no better way to honor one of his Admin’s signature accomplishments than to take the vaccine.
CaptinEO
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Don't take the racist vaccine.