Disneyland and Disney World lay off 28,000 employees amid pandemic struggles - OCR/SCNG

[Deleted member 107043]

I deleted my comment before TPs response because I remembered that trying to explain is futile because details are meaningless here.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm aware of the basic history of Hewlett-Packard in that Palo Alto garage. I'm also aware that they changed their name to Hewlett-Packard Enterprise after spinning off a few divisions, like the "HP" group that still makes laptops.

Not true.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'm aware of the basic history of Hewlett-Packard in that Palo Alto garage. I'm also aware that they changed their name to Hewlett-Packard Enterprise after spinning off a few divisions, like the "HP" group that still makes laptops.

I'm also suddenly remembering that for a year or two "Hewlett Packard Enterprise" was the sponsor of Star Wars Launch Bay at Disneyland. Remember that?!

I'm also aware that Houston, Texas is absolutely thrilled to get the imminent moving of the Hewlett-Packard Enterprise with thousands of high-paying white collar jobs coming with that headquarters move. It's quite a coup for Houston, and for Governor Abbot apparently.

Governor Abbott Announces Hewlett Packard Enterprise Global Headquarters Relocation To Texas | Woodlands Online

Governor Greg Abbott today announced that Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE) will relocate its global headquarters to Spring.

www.woodlandsonline.com

Hewlett Packard headquarters leaving Silicon Valley for ‘state-of-the-art campus’ in Texas

Hewlett Packard Enterprise Co. will move its global headquarters from the prosperous Silicon Valley to Houston, the fourth-largest U.S. city that poses as “an attractive market,” company officials said.

www.ksat.com

Actually you're incorrect.

HP Inc. is what is the changed name of the company that Hewlett and Packard started back in 1939, and its still in Palo Alto. They focus on PCs and printers. They are the second leading PC company behind Lenovo (former IBM PC division).

The company known as HP Enterprise IS the spin-off from the main company of HP Inc., which was done in 2015. Their focus was on enterprise systems, services, and software, the latter which was sold off to Micro Focus, and the services sold off to CSC and formed DXC Technology. Leaving them with just enterprise systems.

So you're incorrect on the history there my friend.

 

[TP2000]

Not true.

I'm sure there's a fascinating backstory into how they spun off divisions in the 2010's and changed their name to add "Enterprise" to the title, and how there's still a company called HP Inc. who makes printers and laptops. But...

Regardless of whether its Hewlett Packard Enterprise or HP or New Coke, this can't be good news for San Jose. It's big news for Houston though.

Tech giant HP Enterprise moving world HQ to Houston area

Leaving California! Thousands of jobs are headed to Texas after HP Enterprise announces it's moving its headquarters from San Jose to Spring, Texas.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Deleted member 107043]

These headlines don't make it sound like they are "consolidating Bay Area employees" in San Jose. These headlines make it seem like Hewlett Packard is moving its global headquarters to Texas.

You gotta actually read the articles before posting. I won't even comment on the fact that you posted an article from Fox Business that calls out the wrong company in the headline.

Here is where I got the HPE consolidation info from.

"HPE will keep the San Jose campus, and will consolidate some of its Bay Area sites there, it said."

There's also this:

"Hewlett Packard Enterprise anticipates it will employ well over 1,000 workers — and possibly more than 2,000 — at a San Jose site that will serve as a tech hub in the wake of the company’s relocation of its headquarters from Silicon Valley to Texas."

 

[TP2000]

Call any one of them in the Bay Area.

I just tried a second one to get further explanation. Again it appears that some locations have limited stock for what they call "One-Way Trucks". And depending on when they get more "One-Way" stock from another location will determine when that location will have those for rental.

So its possible that the U-Haul in Anaheim on Anaheim Blvd only has limited "One-Way" stock on-site at the moment. But doesn't mean they can't get one tomorrow or the next day, or possible another location has them available.

But lets not even forget that U-Haul is not the only game in town on moving truck rentals, many other companies.

Edit - BTW, a little hack on U-Haul, you can order a "Round Trip" (dropping back off at the same location as pick-up) truck but still drop it off at a different location. There might be a little fee involved, but its a way around the "No one-way trucks available" claim.

I just tried to call the Uhaul location in San Jose at 1027 The Alameda, (408) 295-4884 and I got the exact same answering system from the Anaheim Blvd. location that told me I would be on hold for 15 to 20 minutes before a Uhaul rep could speak with me.

It's apparent that when you call any local Uhaul rental office, even using their local phone numbers, you get routed thru to the national Uhaul phone system and get put on hold.

But if you got through and got all that information, including the news that the holiday season and winter is apparently a big moving season now when historically it's been the opposite, then you certainly have a magic telephone my friend!

 

[TP2000]

You gotta actually read the articles before posting. I won't even comment on the fact that you posted an article from Fox Business that calls out the wrong company in the headline.

Here is where I got the HPE consolidation info from.

"HPE will keep the San Jose campus, and will consolidate some of its Bay Area sites there, it said."

There's also this:

"Hewlett Packard Enterprise anticipates it will employ well over 1,000 workers — and possibly more than 2,000 — at a San Jose site that will serve as a tech hub in the wake of the company’s relocation of its headquarters from Silicon Valley to Texas."

Ah. So is all this fuss over Company Formerly Called Hewlett-Packard moving their Global Headquarters 3rd floor break room and a few employees to Houston just a big misunderstanding?

Because the local media there in the Bay Area are covering it quite prominently. Even the Chronicle is describing whatever that company calls themselves now as a "Tech giant".

Hewlett Packard Enterprise to move headquarters to Texas

SPRING, Texas (AP) — Tech giant Hewlett Packard Enterprise said it is moving its global headquarters to the Houston area from California, where the company's roots go back to the founding of Silicon Valley decades ago. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s office announced that the relocation will increase...

www.sfchronicle.com

 

[Disney Irish]

I just tried to call the Uhaul location in San Jose at 1027 The Alameda, (408) 295-4884 and I got the exact same answering system from the Anaheim Blvd. location that told me I would be on hold for 15 to 20 minutes before a Uhaul rep could speak with me.

It's apparent that when you call any local Uhaul rental office, even using their local phone numbers, you get routed thru to the national Uhaul phone system and get put on hold.

But if you got through and got all that information, including the news that the holiday season and winter is apparently a big moving season now when historically it's been the opposite, then you certainly have a magic telephone my friend!

Well I am using a corporate phone to call, so maybe they take corporate calls faster than regular citizens call. Dunno, but I made the call and got someone after about 2 minutes from the local place I called, not some national system.

 

[TP2000]

Well I am using a corporate phone to call, so maybe they take corporate calls faster than regular citizens call. Dunno, but I made the call and got someone after about 2 minutes from the local place I called, not some national system.

You have a magic phone! I can only imagine the miracles that happen when you call Pizza Hut.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ah. So is all this fuss over Company Formerly Called Hewlett-Packard moving their Global Headquarters 3rd floor break room and a few employees to Houston just a big misunderstanding?

Because the local media there in the Bay Area are covering it quite prominently. Even the Chronicle is describing whatever that company calls themselves now as a "Tech giant".

Hewlett Packard Enterprise to move headquarters to Texas

SPRING, Texas (AP) — Tech giant Hewlett Packard Enterprise said it is moving its global headquarters to the Houston area from California, where the company's roots go back to the founding of Silicon Valley decades ago. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s office announced that the relocation will increase...

www.sfchronicle.com

No, the misunderstanding here my friend is that you are confusing HP Inc (company started by Bill and Dave in 1939 and worked with Walt Disney on the sound system for Fantasia) with HP Enterprise (spin-off company created in 2015).

 

[Disney Irish]

You have a magic phone! I can only imagine the miracles that happen when you call Pizza Hut.

Dunno, not a Pizza Hut fan. But when I call my local Round Table Pizza they pick up in about a minute.

 

[Travel Junkie]

This thread has become utterly surreal.

 

[el_super]

I just tried to call the Uhaul location in San Jose

What a bizarre hill to die on.

 

[el_super]

They may get some CM's to return to their old jobs after over a year of unemployment, but I think the vast majority of those furloughed/laid-off/Astronaut CM's will be hard to pop back into sudden existence next summer. I doubt Disneyland will ever be the same again, so much talent and experience will have been permanently lost.

From someone who has mocked the idea of a living wage, and derided Disneyland Cast Members as cheap unskilled labor, I find your sudden concern over the Disneyland experience created by these people, disingenuous.

 

[SuddenStorm]

They may get some CM's to return to their old jobs after over a year of unemployment, but I think the vast majority of those furloughed/laid-off/Astronaut CM's will be hard to pop back into sudden existence next summer. I doubt Disneyland will ever be the same again, so much talent and experience will have been permanently lost.

Bingo!

I have to wonder if TDA will take this opportunity to revamp CM training and general park operations in an attempt to improve how the park operates now that there are quite a few less people there to say 'this is how it's always been done'. And if care will be taken to ensure any new hires- particularly in management- will be vetted to hopefully improve how the resort is ran. There were quite a few CM's working there who were not happy- whether it be work conditions, pay, the hours- and I genuinely hope these CM's are able to find new jobs in fields they'd be happier in.

Hopefully Disneyland not being the same will be in a good way.

I mean, I can dream right?

 

[TP2000]

From someone who has mocked the idea of a living wage, and derided Disneyland Cast Members as cheap unskilled labor, I find your sudden concern over the Disneyland experience created by these people, disingenuous.

Let's get something very clear; I have never "derided" Disneyland Cast Members who work in entry-level, unskilled positions.

Deride - verb
To express contempt for; ridicule

What I have done, and will probably continue to do, is to plainly state that the entry-level, unskilled positions that make up a bulk of the Disneyland operation actually are... wait for it... entry-level, unskilled positions.

I get it, in 2020 when Every Role Is A Starring Role! and everyone is very, very special regardless of talent or training, that may seem cold-hearted and mean. So mean! But I consider it merely to be the truth. If it weren't the truth, those CM's wouldn't be making $15 bucks an hour and require only a week of training.

For example, I would not want my Jungle Cruise Skipper to be my heart surgeon after only 3 days of training in a hospital. But, I could deal with my heart surgeon being my Jungle Cruise Skipper after 3 days of training in Adventureland.

The heart surgeon's jokes and timing might not be the greatest after 3 days of OJT, but I'd rather take that over the Jungle Cruise Skipper slicing into the wrong aorta leaving me to bleed out within minutes after his 3 days of OJT in the operating room.

The vast bulk of the uniformed CM's we interact with at Disneyland; churro cart salesmen, shopclerks, ride operators, ticket takers, ushers, busboys, janitors, french fry cooks, etc. are entry-level and unskilled positions. If you'd like to pretend that they are astronauts and heart surgeons making a million dollars a year, that's fine. But that doesn't prevent me from treating them with respect and kindness when I ask them for extra napkins at Tomorrowland Terrace, or directions to the t-shirt display in the Emporium, or if I could wait for the back row on Thunder Mountain. And I have always treated CM's with kindness and respect, even if I dared to state the obvious here; that their role is an entry-level, unskilled position.

 

[TP2000]

What a bizarre hill to die on.

It's almost as weird as claiming that there is no Uhaul shortage in California, or that December is suddenly the most popular month for families to move, when both of those things have been well documented as being the exact opposite.

Plus, I'm retired and was just sitting watching the Oregon bluejays gather up seeds from the feeder. So....

 

[TP2000]

This thread has become utterly surreal.

Isn't it great?!?

No Uhaul shortage in California. That's all a lie that right-wing propaganda like The Guardian invented.

Hewlett-Packard is not at all anything like Hewlett Packard Enterprise, and they were going to remodel that 3rd floor breakroom in San Jose anyway so who cares that they are moving the global headquarters to Texas. This is actually good news for California! It's fine! Those Hewlett Packard Enterprise employees created homelessness! Texas will be very sorry to get all those high-paying white collar jobs! Suckers!

Also, entry-level CM's staffing the Main Street corn dog cart are actually senior executives making $800,000 per year with homes in Newport Coast. And they get a parking spot reserved for them just behind Main Street USA. They aren't entry-level employees at all. They are high paid executives with Master's degrees.

 

[TP2000]

Bingo!

I have to wonder if TDA will take this opportunity to revamp CM training and general park operations in an attempt to improve how the park operates now that there are quite a few less people there to say 'this is how it's always been done'. And if care will be taken to ensure any new hires- particularly in management- will be vetted to hopefully improve how the resort is ran. There were quite a few CM's working there who were not happy- whether it be work conditions, pay, the hours- and I genuinely hope these CM's are able to find new jobs in fields they'd be happier in.

Hopefully Disneyland not being the same will be in a good way.

I mean, I can dream right?

This is a great point!

I have criticized Disneyland's training for years, but it generally does a better job than WDW if front line CM experiences are any indication. But you can also tell that many Disneyland CM's have a lot of tenure and know instinctively what to do and how to do it, despite TDA's inept training team.

But if all that experience and tenure is suddenly gone, then how do you restart it and get that all back? The training of new CM's was already weak. This added stress may break it entirely.

That said, I am interested the most in seeing how they restart the Disneyland Hotel and Paradise Pier Hotel in 2022 or 2023. From personal experience, the valet guys and bellhops at the Disneyland Hotel and Grand Californian were almost uniformly awful at their jobs; grumpy, lumpy, and lazy. You literally had to wave a 20 dollar bill out your car window to get anyone of them to respond to you at the Disneyland Hotel (the Grand was better, if not very polished, mainly because of Napa Rose and the traffic it generates). Meanwhile, pull up at the Hotel Montage or Laguna Ritz Carlton or Lodge at Torrey Pines or Rancho Mirage Ritz Carlton and the sharply uniformed and crisply managed bellhops at those similarly-priced hotels literally ran circles around the Disneyland guys.

And their Disneyland Hotel union, UNITE Here Local 11, has been the most vocally anti-Disney for over a decade.

I hope this gives them an opportunity to clean house; fire all those Hotel CM's who were so miserable at their jobs and hated working there and constantly protested and complained publicly about how awful working for Disneyland was. Those miserable CM's in indentured servitude at the Disneyland Hotel will finally be free! I wish them very well in their chosen field elsewhere.

 

[Figgy1]

This is a great point!

I have criticized Disneyland's training for years, but it generally does a better job than WDW if front line CM experiences are any indication. But you can also tell that many Disneyland CM's have a lot of tenure and know instinctively what to do and how to do it, despite TDA's inept training team.

But if all that experience and tenure is suddenly gone, then how do you restart it and get that all back? The training of new CM's was already weak. This added stress may break it entirely.

That said, I am interested the most in seeing how they restart the Disneyland Hotel and Paradise Pier Hotel in 2022 or 2023. From personal experience, the valet guys and bellhops at the Disneyland Hotel and Grand Californian were almost uniformly awful at their jobs; grumpy, lumpy, and lazy. You literally had to wave a 20 dollar bill out your car window to get anyone of them to respond to you at the Disneyland Hotel (the Grand was better, if not very polished, mainly because of Napa Rose and the traffic it generates). Meanwhile, pull up at the Hotel Montage or Laguna Ritz Carlton or Lodge at Torrey Pines or Rancho Mirage Ritz Carlton and the sharply uniformed and crisply managed bellhops at those similarly-priced hotels literally ran circles around the Disneyland guys.

And their Disneyland Hotel union, UNITE Here Local 11, has been the most vocally anti-Disney for over a decade.

I hope this gives them an opportunity to clean house; fire all those Hotel CM's who were so miserable at their jobs and hated working there and constantly protested and complained publicly about how awful working for Disneyland was. Those miserable CM's in indentured servitude at the Disneyland Hotel will finally be free! I wish them very well in their chosen field elsewhere.

For good service at WDW stay at Shades You can also get a decent drink there for not much money. Now back to the bickering