Disneyland and Disney World lay off 28,000 employees amid pandemic struggles - OCR/SCNG

DCBaker

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"Disneyland plans to furlough nearly 1,800 additional employees in the wake of COVID-19 reopening guidelines from Gov. Gavin Newsom’s administration that have left California theme parks closed for the “foreseeable future.” Disney announced 1,797 furloughs of Disneyland union and non-union employees due to continuing business impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic as part of the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act, known as the WARN Act. Disney filed the WARN Act notifications on Nov. 12 with the furloughs set to start on Nov. 23 and on subsequent dates through Feb. 21"

"The furloughs will impact a wide range of jobs including landscapers, engineers, painters, plasterers and custodians as well as employees working in entertainment, restaurants and attractions."

 

TP2000

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"Disneyland plans to furlough nearly 1,800 additional employees in the wake of COVID-19 reopening guidelines from Gov. Gavin Newsom’s administration that have left California theme parks closed for the “foreseeable future.” Disney announced 1,797 furloughs of Disneyland union and non-union employees due to continuing business impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic as part of the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act, known as the WARN Act. Disney filed the WARN Act notifications on Nov. 12 with the furloughs set to start on Nov. 23 and on subsequent dates through Feb. 21"

"The furloughs will impact a wide range of jobs including landscapers, engineers, painters, plasterers and custodians as well as employees working in entertainment, restaurants and attractions."


Disneyland has already laid off thousands of CM's permanently, and now their furloughed ranks are swelling well into the thousands also.

What will be interesting is seeing how many of those furloughed CM's actually return when they are recalled next summer or fall. How many furloughed CM's after 15+ months of not working at Disneyland will have found other employment, moved out of town, or found one of the few U-hauls still available to rent to leave California entirely?

It would seem they run a huge risk here of trying to restart Disneyland in mid to late 2021 facing a giant casualty list of CM talent that is long gone and not coming back. What a mess!
 

J4546

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yeah disney is cutting tens of thousands of peoples jobs for the moment, we will see how many they hire back. I imagine they will get a few but Im sure they will use this event to create a leaner company overall.
 

Stevek

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yeah disney is cutting tens of thousands of peoples jobs for the moment, we will see how many they hire back. I imagine they will get a few but Im sure they will use this event to create a leaner company overall.
Probably to some extent, maybe not in the parks as much as other areas unless Disney feels they are completely over-staffed within the actual hourly CM ranks. Not anything I've ever heard being a problem...always seemed like they were continually trying to make sure they had enough people to staff the parks.
 

jzramom

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Disneyland has already laid off thousands of CM's permanently, and now their furloughed ranks are swelling well into the thousands also.

What will be interesting is seeing how many of those furloughed CM's actually return when they are recalled next summer or fall. How many furloughed CM's after 15+ months of not working at Disneyland will have found other employment, moved out of town, or found one of the few U-hauls still available to rent to leave California entirely?

It would seem they run a huge risk here of trying to restart Disneyland in mid to late 2021 facing a giant casualty list of CM talent that is long gone and not coming back. What a mess!
Off topic but if it helps someone, I am on a couple FB groups for folks moving out of CA. They are finding it cheaper to fly out of state to rent a U-haul and drive it back to CA for their move.
 

TP2000

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Off topic but if it helps someone, I am on a couple FB groups for folks moving out of CA. They are finding it cheaper to fly out of state to rent a U-haul and drive it back to CA for their move.

It's impossible to get a U-Haul in California now, they are all gone. The full-service moving companies like Mayflower and Bekins have had to jack up their prices for California because all the trucks are only going one way; out!

I heard on the news yesterday of a family in SoCal who was desperate to move away from the California Nightmare and the dad found a job in Tennessee.

But they had to fly out to Dallas to rent a U-Haul truck to drive back to SoCal to load up and then drive back out to Tennessee. So they were going to do it. They had no choice if they wanted out. :(
 

Lilofan

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It's impossible to get a U-Haul in California now, they are all gone. The full-service moving companies like Mayflower and Bekins have had to jack up their prices for California because all the trucks are only going one way; out!

I heard on the news yesterday of a family in SoCal who was desperate to move away from the California Nightmare and the dad found a job in Tennessee.

But they had to fly out to Dallas to rent a U-Haul truck to drive back to SoCal to load up and then drive back out to Tennessee. So they were going to do it. They had no choice if they wanted out. :(
A number are moving to TX. Some many are moving to Austin that the TX locals are calling them Austinfornians.
 

drizgirl

Well-Known Member
Disneyland has already laid off thousands of CM's permanently, and now their furloughed ranks are swelling well into the thousands also.

What will be interesting is seeing how many of those furloughed CM's actually return when they are recalled next summer or fall. How many furloughed CM's after 15+ months of not working at Disneyland will have found other employment, moved out of town, or found one of the few U-hauls still available to rent to leave California entirely?

It would seem they run a huge risk here of trying to restart Disneyland in mid to late 2021 facing a giant casualty list of CM talent that is long gone and not coming back. What a mess!
You don't think they just hit "pause" on their lives and are sitting around hungry, letting their bills pile up, just so they can come back and start making magic for random strangers?
 

Old Mouseketeer

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Disneyland has already laid off thousands of CM's permanently, and now their furloughed ranks are swelling well into the thousands also.

What will be interesting is seeing how many of those furloughed CM's actually return when they are recalled next summer or fall. How many furloughed CM's after 15+ months of not working at Disneyland will have found other employment, moved out of town, or found one of the few U-hauls still available to rent to leave California entirely?

It would seem they run a huge risk here of trying to restart Disneyland in mid to late 2021 facing a giant casualty list of CM talent that is long gone and not coming back. What a mess!

Between union contracts and state and federal labor law, language is important. A layoff is not really permanent because the worker is not separated from the company and they have recall rights. My understanding from friends going through this is that Disney has extended the recall rights from one year to two years. This means that Disney can't hire people off the street to fill positions of laid-off workers until they have been turned down by every worker eligible for recall.

Furlough is different. I have talked about this with a friend who is furloughed. He still has his ID and Main Gate Pass. He has access to the company intranet for employee services and company email. He was able to complete the course he was enrolled in through the Disney education program. Possibly most importantly, Disney continues to pay 100% of his healthcare. I have not heard if he might be affected by the additional layoff just announced.

As to the risk for Disney in reopening, you raise a good question. The longer the parks are closed, the more attrition Disney can expect from laid-off and furloughed workers. The saving grace is that they will have some warning as they start recalling workers in advance of the reopening, as well as reopening at reduced capacity. Another variable is what impact the vaccination program will have. By the time Disneyland reopens next spring or summer, will there be a fuller availability of dining options than when the other resorts around the world have opened? What about entertainment offerings?

The only thing I am sure of is that it will get worse before it gets better.
 

TP2000

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You don't think they just hit "pause" on their lives and are sitting around hungry, letting their bills pile up, just so they can come back and start making magic for random strangers?

I doubt it. Most of these CM's were making less than $20 an hour, with rent to worry about. And for the salaried Dockers managers, they were in lower management making less than $100K a year, with mortgages and car payments and kids to worry about. And droopy Dockers to iron.

These are not jobs you sit around waiting for 15 months hoping to be recalled. The vast majority of these CM's will have moved on with their lives and careers elsewhere, if they are even still living within 50 miles of Disneyland.

As to the risk for Disney in reopening, you raise a good question. The longer the parks are closed, the more attrition Disney can expect from laid-off and furloughed workers. The saving grace is that they will have some warning as they start recalling workers in advance of the reopening, as well as reopening at reduced capacity. Another variable is what impact the vaccination program will have. By the time Disneyland reopens next spring or summer, will there be a fuller availability of dining options than when the other resorts around the world have opened? What about entertainment offerings?

The only thing I am sure of is that it will get worse before it gets better.

Agreed, and good point on the furlough vs. laid off thing.

But honestly, once you get to the six month mark of not working you could call the tens of thousands of unemployed Astronauts if you wanted to and they still wouldn't have a job. Disneyland is still closed and they still don't have jobs.

If this closure was only for a month or two last spring, that would be one thing. But now, realistically, it's going to be at least 13 or 14 months of closure before Disneyland reopens in Spring, 2021. And that's best case scenario.

It's entirely possible that Disneyland doesn't open until July-September timeframe of 2021. That will have been 15 months of full closure before CM's are recalled next June for a July '21 reopening.

They may get some CM's to return to their old jobs after over a year of unemployment, but I think the vast majority of those furloughed/laid-off/Astronaut CM's will be hard to pop back into sudden existence next summer. I doubt Disneyland will ever be the same again, so much talent and experience will have been permanently lost.
 
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Disney Irish

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It's impossible to get a U-Haul in California now, they are all gone. The full-service moving companies like Mayflower and Bekins have had to jack up their prices for California because all the trucks are only going one way; out!

I heard on the news yesterday of a family in SoCal who was desperate to move away from the California Nightmare and the dad found a job in Tennessee.

But they had to fly out to Dallas to rent a U-Haul truck to drive back to SoCal to load up and then drive back out to Tennessee. So they were going to do it. They had no choice if they wanted out. :(
While I don't suggest anyone moving out of California, but I do understand people must do things for their families. But what I don't understand about this post is the claim that its impossible to get a U-Haul in California.

There are literally over a thousand locations in California all with Trucks and Trailers available today:


So tell me where you can't get a U-Haul, because I checked all 5 in Anaheim and I can pick up any size U-Haul truck tomorrow if I wanted.

I also just checked my local U-Haul which is about 5 miles from my house here in the Bay Area, and they are stock full of trucks and trailers.

So this mass exodus from California that you claim is taking up all the U-Hauls and moving companies sounds like more of your BS to me.
 
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JustinSt

Active Member
I’m currently a furlough cast member. I’m still part of the company, and my benefits and school is still being paid for. If I wanna visit WDW, I still have my maingate. We are just waiting now to reopen. With the 10,000 layoffs at Disneyland, It would be difficult to get Disneyland reopened. So we are just in limbo until then.
 

TP2000

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So tell me where you can't get a U-Haul, because I checked all 5 in Anaheim and I can pick up any size U-Haul truck tomorrow if I wanted.

I also just checked my local U-Haul which is about 5 miles from my house here in the Bay Area, and they are stock full of trucks and trailers.

No, you can't.

Once you hit "SELECT" on all those Anaheim options, what you get is an instruction to phone your local U-Haul office to "discuss options". Because there are no trailers or trucks left in California; you get to "discuss options" like flying to Dallas to pick up a U-Haul there and drive it back to California to load up and drive back to Texas or Utah or wherever you are moving to.

This topic was discussed at Thanksgiving and the young folks showed us how it works on the Uhaul.com website. It's a thing.

EDIT: I just tried it myself, trying to rent any size truck or trailer in Anaheim, California one week from now to drive to Oregon. All sizes and options are technically available somewhere in the US, but you have to check a box to agree to the "discuss options" thing my nephew told us about on Thanksgiving. The exact verbiage from the Uhaul website for California pickups is...

"I understand that the equipment I am selecting on this date, at this location, is not available to schedule and agree to be called by a regional U-Haul representative."

Also, the charge for that move for their smallest 10 foot truck is $1,200, because you'll be flying to another state to pick up the truck to drive it back to California to load up and move to Oregon.

When I just did a request to rent a 10 foot truck in Boise, Idaho and drive it to Portland, Oregon, the charge was only $197 and the truck is available an several locations in Boise immediately. A search just now for renting a truck in Dallas and driving it to Anaheim showed the same results, and the truck is available in Dallas immediately at many area locations.


The media and the Uhaul.com website are not lying to you; there is a mass migration out of California right now and there are no U-haul trucks available for rent in California.

While I enjoy some BS as much as the next person, I did not make this up, nor did I get multiple media outlets to cover this story for the past few months. I'm good, but I'm not that good. 🧐




 
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Disney Irish

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No, you can't.

Once you hit "SELECT" on all those Anaheim options, what you get is an instruction to phone your local U-Haul office to "discuss options". Because there are no trailers or trucks left in California; you get to "discuss options" like flying to Dallas to pick up a U-Haul there and drive it back to California to load up and drive back to Texas or Utah or wherever you are moving to.

This topic was discussed at Thanksgiving and the young folks showed us how it works on the Uhaul.com website. It's a thing.

EDIT: I just tried it myself, trying to rent any size truck or trailer in Anaheim, California one week from now to drive to Oregon. All sizes and options are technically available somewhere in the US, but you have to check a box to agree to the "discuss options" thing my nephew told us about on Thanksgiving. The exact verbiage from the Uhaul website for California pickups is...

"I understand that the equipment I am selecting on this date, at this location, is not available to schedule and agree to be called by a regional U-Haul representative."

Also, the charge for that move for their smallest 10 foot truck is $1,200, because you'll be flying to another state to pick up the truck to drive it back to California to load up and move to Oregon.

When I just did a request to rent a 10 foot truck in Boise, Idaho and drive it to Portland, Oregon, the charge was only $197 and the truck is available an several locations in Boise immediately. A search just now for renting a truck in Dallas and driving it to Anaheim showed the same results, and the truck is available in Dallas immediately at many area locations.


The media and the Uhaul.com website are not lying to you; there is a mass migration out of California right now and there are no U-haul trucks available for rent in California.

While I enjoy some BS as much as the next person, I did not make this up, nor did I get multiple media outlets to cover this story for the past few months. I'm just not that good.



Interesting because I was just able to reserve a 15' truck for Friday at the Anaheim U-Haul on Anaheim Blvd. All online no request to call at all.
 

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