Relatively certain nothing but us horrible capitalists there as well....
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Disney World unfairly slammed for wages.
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Relatively certain nothing but us horrible capitalists there as well....
s8film40
Well-Known Member
Actually it seems to be working quite well. Disney is paying less and trying to get away with selling a cheaper product at a higher price. People (us) are noticing and soon more people will and then more and more people will start to make vacation plans elsewhere and then Disney will either make changes or the business will decline and go away. The free market will balance it all out eventually, capitalism really is great, and I can see why Walt Disney liked it as much as he did.
devoy1701
Well-Known Member
I don't know if it will quite get to that extent...
But yup that's the gist of it! the Pendulum swings one way, then back the other. Capitalism works just like politics do. Of course I bet he'll say politics are a failure too and all Conservatives should go to hell...but who am I to bring politics into this...that would be against the rules.
devoy1701
Well-Known Member
seriously?
I hope you have no position of influence over a great number of people in whatever you do in your normal life when not on wdwmagic....
if so, this country is in far worse shape than I thought...
Jimmy Thick
Well-Known Member
If Disney does not pay what you feel is a fair wage, find a different job. If you cannot find a different job, then make the most of the job you have.
Hard work NEVER hurt anyone.
Jimmy Thick- Find a job you love and never work a day in your life.
Hard work NEVER hurt anyone.
Jimmy Thick- Find a job you love and never work a day in your life.
_Scar
Active Member
If you spend so much time at work without seeing your family a man go into a deep depression and end up self-injuring which means his hard work did hurt him :animwink: a gruesome but true example that really could happen. :lol: lol
RobGraves
New Member
Nixon in China.Said the poster on a WDW fan site....
Jimmy Thick
Well-Known Member
No, it means being the best you can be at your job, actually working hard to accomplish the goals set by your employer AND yourself will get you rewarded.
I don't buy into the ole' boys club mentality of who you know, I make them know me.
Jimmy Thick- Some have, some don't, there is a reason why.
I don't buy into the ole' boys club mentality of who you know, I make them know me.
Jimmy Thick- Some have, some don't, there is a reason why.
Then, since that's your preferred style of government, off to China with you. Let the rest of us heartless capitalists enjoy Walt's legacies....
_Scar
Active Member
Isn't that what this is all about? Disney not doing that?
What just happened? :shrug:
disneyrcks
Well-Known Member
I do not think the article was "slamming" Disney...i think it was stating the fact that Disney does not pay well. I read the one snarky comment of "Alas, Mickey Mouse isn't spreading the joy to workers' pockets" but other than that it was just stating the rate of pay for employees. Now personally I do think it is low and a raise of one or two dollars an hour might be nice for the employees. You do get what you pay for and retaining some long term employees would benefit guest experiences. However I do understand the points of some people that disgruntled employees could move on or make ends meet but sometimes easier said then done. I myself work as a case manager for individuals with unique disabilities and we are not paid nearly enough. Our union does negotiate decent increases and health benefits packages for us but we still complain. We do not get great perks or recognition but it is what we chose to do (knowing the pay stinks). So we vent at happy hours and at work during stressful days. Let the CM's do the same. Don't judge them for venting their frustrations....they are entitled to have them. Someday I hope to have a job where I do not have any complaints.....by the way RG I found one other 28 year old who hasn't seen Captain EO (lol :animwink
RobGraves
New Member
Exactly.....
and as far as the what just happened... some people are wrapped up in a dangerous combination of nationalism and absolutism it seems.
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
This place is such a hoot, especially in summer. And that's with my favorite fanbois no longer around.
The funniest thing really is that anyone would defend Disney, or anyone else for that matter, for paying folks wages that don't allow them to live. That creates an underclass that makes us third world. ... Some folks think that's OK, I find it morally repugnant and anti-American at its core.
If WalMart is what WDW ... what the USA must become to make Wall Street happy than I say New Zealand is looking like a much nicer place to live. Wall Street was exposed as a giant lie, by the way, when first W and later Obama socialized large portions of it (remember if you're playing the home version that socialism is bad if it means extending unemployment or providing healthcare to all, but it's great if it means bailing out AIG, Chase, Citi, BoA, GM, etc... with OUR tax $$$)
Rest assured, the Founding Fathers never envisioned us as some bastion of bastardized capitalism where people who couldn't live on $7.50 an hour would be told to simply go find greener pastures. Where exactly would you tell them to go? Am I missing something about the job market?
When folks who made $80K a year in white collar jobs and have been out of work for YEARS ... and their options are 20 hours a week at Office Depot for $8.75 an hour or 15 hours a week at Starbucks for $9 if they're lucky, is there a real option? Suicide? A life of crime? Moving to Europe or Asia or Canada or someplace where the great American economic lie isn't shoved down their throat by ignorant masses who choose to parrot political rhetoric instead of simply opening their eyes.
The problem isn't dumping capitalism, not that we ever will. It's putting limits and safeguards into the system so that we don't have a three year and counting Great Recession (and really it's a depression as the term 'recession' was coined after the 1929 disaster and collapse of our economy to reflect more of a tide like image, tide goes in, tide goes out ... where a depression is a giant gaping hole that eats everything up), so that banks can't make up financial products that are fake, that have no business for exisiting (derivitives and credit default swaps and things that even people who work on The Street can't explain) and so that workers can make a fair wage.
No, someone operating Dumbo shouldn't be making $50k a year. But should that person have to live in their car ... or with six people in a one bedroom apartment? Should that person, if they have the desire and the skills, have the chance to move up in the company. Or should they just work for that same wage at age 27 ... at age 31? Where does it end?
Or should there be mandated wage increases. Someone does a great job making elephants soar for three years, they either get moved to a higher position or their pay gets raised substantially for putting in their time. ... Maybe now, they're making $11 an hour for operating a ride. It may sounds simple, but you are dealing with the safety of children daily, right? Don't you want someone who gives a damn before you put little Bree on that?
I've seen too many theater majors at WDW working registers at Columbia Harbor House, even after the CP and internships.
But I wonder ... why do people bristle at a living wage? Why is that so wrong? Why is that somehow anti-American? Intellectually, being that I don't believe titans of American industry post on this board, why do people seem to think the American Way is about subsidizing corporate profits through substandard wages that are kept artificially low by a corporate vicegrip on America (by the way, my homeowners insurance went up 83% this year, which I am required to carry by law, my health insurance went up 34% -- a basic necessity if one wants to keep living, my car insurance went up 26% ... I am sure you get the idea ... my wages? was that a standard 2% increase ... or did I have to take a 60% decrease just to stay in the work force?)
And ask yourself if your WDW experience would be more MAGICal if the CMs were all reasonably happy (or a vast majority).
How about we face some reality!
Anyone who thinks the status quo is at all rational, I'd wish they had to live on an entry level WDW wage (without bringing their current wealth) for five years ... then we can talk.
Have a MAGICal summer!
~BP, Mel Gibson, & Defenders of Da Man~
The funniest thing really is that anyone would defend Disney, or anyone else for that matter, for paying folks wages that don't allow them to live. That creates an underclass that makes us third world. ... Some folks think that's OK, I find it morally repugnant and anti-American at its core.
If WalMart is what WDW ... what the USA must become to make Wall Street happy than I say New Zealand is looking like a much nicer place to live. Wall Street was exposed as a giant lie, by the way, when first W and later Obama socialized large portions of it (remember if you're playing the home version that socialism is bad if it means extending unemployment or providing healthcare to all, but it's great if it means bailing out AIG, Chase, Citi, BoA, GM, etc... with OUR tax $$$)
Rest assured, the Founding Fathers never envisioned us as some bastion of bastardized capitalism where people who couldn't live on $7.50 an hour would be told to simply go find greener pastures. Where exactly would you tell them to go? Am I missing something about the job market?
When folks who made $80K a year in white collar jobs and have been out of work for YEARS ... and their options are 20 hours a week at Office Depot for $8.75 an hour or 15 hours a week at Starbucks for $9 if they're lucky, is there a real option? Suicide? A life of crime? Moving to Europe or Asia or Canada or someplace where the great American economic lie isn't shoved down their throat by ignorant masses who choose to parrot political rhetoric instead of simply opening their eyes.
The problem isn't dumping capitalism, not that we ever will. It's putting limits and safeguards into the system so that we don't have a three year and counting Great Recession (and really it's a depression as the term 'recession' was coined after the 1929 disaster and collapse of our economy to reflect more of a tide like image, tide goes in, tide goes out ... where a depression is a giant gaping hole that eats everything up), so that banks can't make up financial products that are fake, that have no business for exisiting (derivitives and credit default swaps and things that even people who work on The Street can't explain) and so that workers can make a fair wage.
No, someone operating Dumbo shouldn't be making $50k a year. But should that person have to live in their car ... or with six people in a one bedroom apartment? Should that person, if they have the desire and the skills, have the chance to move up in the company. Or should they just work for that same wage at age 27 ... at age 31? Where does it end?
Or should there be mandated wage increases. Someone does a great job making elephants soar for three years, they either get moved to a higher position or their pay gets raised substantially for putting in their time. ... Maybe now, they're making $11 an hour for operating a ride. It may sounds simple, but you are dealing with the safety of children daily, right? Don't you want someone who gives a damn before you put little Bree on that?
I've seen too many theater majors at WDW working registers at Columbia Harbor House, even after the CP and internships.
But I wonder ... why do people bristle at a living wage? Why is that so wrong? Why is that somehow anti-American? Intellectually, being that I don't believe titans of American industry post on this board, why do people seem to think the American Way is about subsidizing corporate profits through substandard wages that are kept artificially low by a corporate vicegrip on America (by the way, my homeowners insurance went up 83% this year, which I am required to carry by law, my health insurance went up 34% -- a basic necessity if one wants to keep living, my car insurance went up 26% ... I am sure you get the idea ... my wages? was that a standard 2% increase ... or did I have to take a 60% decrease just to stay in the work force?)
And ask yourself if your WDW experience would be more MAGICal if the CMs were all reasonably happy (or a vast majority).
How about we face some reality!
Anyone who thinks the status quo is at all rational, I'd wish they had to live on an entry level WDW wage (without bringing their current wealth) for five years ... then we can talk.
Have a MAGICal summer!
~BP, Mel Gibson, & Defenders of Da Man~
Well, if you really want to start comparing yourself to Nixon, be my guest. But anything else is just backtracking on your part. Which, to use your parlance, doesn't surprise me....
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
Either that or some folks are just flat out nuts.
Of course, this is the site where folks think 1972 parades and new meet-greet-and-gropes are somehow equal or better than the WWoHP.
RobGraves
New Member
yeah, you obviously still dont get it.
No backtracking... see you can live in a world where extremes are not the only option.. it is in fact possible. Not to mention the fact that China is far from Socialist, its not even communist.. its totalitarian. Of course you probably dont understand that socialism does not mean communism either, they are in fact a moderation and an extreme. Its like saying Capitalism = Fascism as fascism is the extreme end of capitalism i.e. a corporate run state.
Education will set you free... maybe you should try it?