Disney World unfairly slammed for wages.

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
yeah, you obviously still dont get it.

No backtracking... see you can live in a world where extremes are not the only option.. it is in fact possible. Not to mention the fact that China is far from Socialist, its not even communist.. its totalitarian. Of course you probably dont understand that socialism does not mean communism either, they are in fact a moderation and an extreme. Its like saying Capitalism = Fascism as fascism is the extreme end of capitalism i.e. a corporate run state.

Education will set you free... maybe you should try it?

Well, you could also argue that capitalism in this nation contains more than it's fair share of socialist aspects. But that would just ruin your argument now wouldn't it? And since it's so much easier to call someone else absolutist....

But what else could anyone expect from someone who thinks Walt Disney was a p#dophile?
 

Phonedave

Well-Known Member
If agreed to, these proposals would allow the Company to dictate to you the working conditions of your job.

The day before negotiations began, almost 100 Local 362 members, in eight different properties, did just that. These leaders of the Union went to the VP or GM of their work area and demanded a fair contract. These workers are leading the way. [/QUOTE]


Union posturing and drivel.

Without looking it up, can you tell me how much the officers of your Union make? What perks do they get (such as a car and driver)? You know you pay their salary DIRECTLY out of your pocket.


-dave
 

RobGraves

New Member
Well, you could also argue that capitalism in this nation contains more than it's fair share of socialist aspects. But that would just ruin your argument now wouldn't it? And since it's so much easier to call someone else absolutist....

But what else could anyone expect from someone who thinks Walt Disney was a p#dophile?


I would argue that it did but that those aspects are disappearing in favor to the other end of the spectrum as the masses are brainwashed to belive that doing good for your fellow man is bad, and its bad to give people healthcare or assistance... but bailing out billion dollar corporations is good.

If you arent Too Big to Fail, you are Too Small to Care About




And hey, I never said he was... what i said is if one accusation is given merit, why not another.

Its cause MJ (was) black? right? :p
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
I would argue that it did but that those aspects are disappearing in favor to the other end of the spectrum as the masses are brainwashed to belive that doing good for your fellow man is bad, and its bad to give people healthcare or assistance... but bailing out billion dollar corporations is good.

If you arent Too Big to Fail, you are Too Small to Care About




And hey, I never said he was... what i said is if one accusation is given merit, why not another.

Its cause MJ (was) black? right? :p

Whatever floats your absolutist boat...

You promote someone else's opinion on something like that, it goes beyond simply reporting.

Black, white, I could care less. I'd rather have WDW pay their CMs all a starting wage of at least $10/hour. But I'm not going to condemn an entire economic system or nation until that happens...
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
This place is such a hoot, especially in summer. And that's with my favorite fanbois no longer around.

The funniest thing really is that anyone would defend Disney, or anyone else for that matter, for paying folks wages that don't allow them to live. That creates an underclass that makes us third world. ... Some folks think that's OK, I find it morally repugnant and anti-American at its core.

If WalMart is what WDW ... what the USA must become to make Wall Street happy than I say New Zealand is looking like a much nicer place to live. Wall Street was exposed as a giant lie, by the way, when first W and later Obama socialized large portions of it (remember if you're playing the home version that socialism is bad if it means extending unemployment or providing healthcare to all, but it's great if it means bailing out AIG, Chase, Citi, BoA, GM, etc... with OUR tax $$$)

Rest assured, the Founding Fathers never envisioned us as some bastion of bastardized capitalism where people who couldn't live on $7.50 an hour would be told to simply go find greener pastures. Where exactly would you tell them to go? Am I missing something about the job market?

When folks who made $80K a year in white collar jobs and have been out of work for YEARS ... and their options are 20 hours a week at Office Depot for $8.75 an hour or 15 hours a week at Starbucks for $9 if they're lucky, is there a real option? Suicide? A life of crime? Moving to Europe or Asia or Canada or someplace where the great American economic lie isn't shoved down their throat by ignorant masses who choose to parrot political rhetoric instead of simply opening their eyes.

The problem isn't dumping capitalism, not that we ever will. It's putting limits and safeguards into the system so that we don't have a three year and counting Great Recession (and really it's a depression as the term 'recession' was coined after the 1929 disaster and collapse of our economy to reflect more of a tide like image, tide goes in, tide goes out ... where a depression is a giant gaping hole that eats everything up), so that banks can't make up financial products that are fake, that have no business for exisiting (derivitives and credit default swaps and things that even people who work on The Street can't explain) and so that workers can make a fair wage.

No, someone operating Dumbo shouldn't be making $50k a year. But should that person have to live in their car ... or with six people in a one bedroom apartment? Should that person, if they have the desire and the skills, have the chance to move up in the company. Or should they just work for that same wage at age 27 ... at age 31? Where does it end?

Or should there be mandated wage increases. Someone does a great job making elephants soar for three years, they either get moved to a higher position or their pay gets raised substantially for putting in their time. ... Maybe now, they're making $11 an hour for operating a ride. It may sounds simple, but you are dealing with the safety of children daily, right? Don't you want someone who gives a damn before you put little Bree on that?

I've seen too many theater majors at WDW working registers at Columbia Harbor House, even after the CP and internships.

But I wonder ... why do people bristle at a living wage? Why is that so wrong? Why is that somehow anti-American? Intellectually, being that I don't believe titans of American industry post on this board, why do people seem to think the American Way is about subsidizing corporate profits through substandard wages that are kept artificially low by a corporate vicegrip on America (by the way, my homeowners insurance went up 83% this year, which I am required to carry by law, my health insurance went up 34% -- a basic necessity if one wants to keep living, my car insurance went up 26% ... I am sure you get the idea ... my wages? was that a standard 2% increase ... or did I have to take a 60% decrease just to stay in the work force?)

And ask yourself if your WDW experience would be more MAGICal if the CMs were all reasonably happy (or a vast majority).

How about we face some reality!

Anyone who thinks the status quo is at all rational, I'd wish they had to live on an entry level WDW wage (without bringing their current wealth) for five years ... then we can talk.

Have a MAGICal summer!

~BP, Mel Gibson, & Defenders of Da Man~

No one is forcing anyone to work at Disney, people CHOOSE to work at Disney, only if you get lucky for Disney to actually hire you. IF the wage is below standard, get a different job that pays better.

If Disney pays so poorly and you have been forced to live on that, why would you allow yourself to suffer?

The fact is, Disney views its employees as expendable, as there is always others to take their place. You have to realize that once you start working there, your just a fart away from someone taking your job. Most business, like retail for example, applies the same mentality, I mean, why wouldn't they?

It's like the old job interview story, person gets a job, job asks them how much they think they should make, person say's " I don't care ", job gives them 7.35 an hour. Next person gets the same job but makes 15.00, and you wonder why?



Jimmy Thick- Iam a military man myself...
 

disneyrcks

Well-Known Member
No one is forcing anyone to work at Disney, people CHOOSE to work at Disney, only if you get lucky for Disney to actually hire you. IF the wage is below standard, get a different job that pays better.

If Disney pays so poorly and you have been forced to live on that, why would you allow yourself to suffer?

The fact is, Disney views its employees as expendable, as there is always others to take their place. You have to realize that once you start working there, your just a fart away from someone taking your job. Most business, like retail for example, applies the same mentality, I mean, why wouldn't they?

It's like the old job interview story, person gets a job, job asks them how much they think they should make, person say's " I don't care ", job gives them 7.35 an hour. Next person gets the same job but makes 15.00, and you wonder why?



Jimmy Thick- Iam a military man myself...

I have to admit the fart quote is awesome lol...i am new and could not figure out how to quote just that statement. I hear where u are coming from but it isn't so black and white....I think retail is an awful example because most of the people working in retail look like they want to kill themselves, they deal with jerks all day and 7 out of 10 times they are rude to the customer. I would hope Disney would want a higher caliber of customer service.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
No one is forcing anyone to work at Disney, people CHOOSE to work at Disney, only if you get lucky for Disney to actually hire you. IF the wage is below standard, get a different job that pays better.

If Disney pays so poorly and you have been forced to live on that, why would you allow yourself to suffer?

I think you greatly missed my point.

Many people have no choice but to work at Disney or in retail or other low level jobs.

And there are NOT jobs out there. So they are stuck.

You have a very basic lack of understanding for what the current marketplace entails.

Unless you believe people are working at WDW for the pixie dust ... or the fact they can book a room at the Grand Flo for half price (what is that now? maybe $240 a night?) when they couldn't book it for $39 as part of the Disney Difference.

But I have posted here more than I planned ... let the insanity continue.

~John Stamos loves WOC!~
 

Mr Bill

Well-Known Member
No one is forcing anyone to work at Disney, people CHOOSE to work at Disney, only if you get lucky for Disney to actually hire you. IF the wage is below standard, get a different job that pays better.

If Disney pays so poorly and you have been forced to live on that, why would you allow yourself to suffer?

The fact is, Disney views its employees as expendable, as there is always others to take their place. You have to realize that once you start working there, your just a fart away from someone taking your job. Most business, like retail for example, applies the same mentality, I mean, why wouldn't they?

It's like the old job interview story, person gets a job, job asks them how much they think they should make, person say's " I don't care ", job gives them 7.35 an hour. Next person gets the same job but makes 15.00, and you wonder why?



Jimmy Thick- Iam a military man myself...
Why wouldn't they view them as expendable? Perhaps treating them as human beings and paying them enough to earn a living would actually motivate them to work better, provide a better guest experience and improve the overall quality of the rest? Investing in employees can pay long-term dividends.
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
I think you greatly missed my point.

Many people have no choice but to work at Disney or in retail or other low level jobs.

And there are NOT jobs out there. So they are stuck.

You have a very basic lack of understanding for what the current marketplace entails.

Unless you believe people are working at WDW for the pixie dust ... or the fact they can book a room at the Grand Flo for half price (what is that now? maybe $240 a night?) when they couldn't book it for $39 as part of the Disney Difference.

But I have posted here more than I planned ... let the insanity continue.

~John Stamos loves WOC!~

No, I believe I understand your point vividly. I see you just making popular excuses and pointing blame.

There are jobs, a quick search of internet job sites found over 5 thousand in Orlando itself, a far cry of no jobs, and none of them were Disney related. Some, if not most of the jobs required more than a high school education, so maybe thats were the problem truly lies. I just don't believe everything I see on the news, the world is only as disparaging as one makes it.


I joined the Marines, then became a Police Officer, and last time I checked, they are always in demand. I chose to make my path. I will never allow myself to be held in a lifestyle where I could not support my family. If someone thinks they are, as you say "stuck", then thats on them to stand up for themselves and make better decisions.

You cannot blame Disney on this one.



Jimmy Thick- My back is strong.
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
I have to admit the fart quote is awesome lol...i am new and could not figure out how to quote just that statement. I hear where u are coming from but it isn't so black and white....I think retail is an awful example because most of the people working in retail look like they want to kill themselves, they deal with jerks all day and 7 out of 10 times they are rude to the customer. I would hope Disney would want a higher caliber of customer service.

I would venture Disney expects a higher caliber of customer service, thats what they are know for. Unfortunately, if they don't get it from Peter, they could get it from Paul, and pay them both the same amount.


Jimmy Thick- It's all about the Benjamins...
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
Why wouldn't they view them as expendable? Perhaps treating them as human beings and paying them enough to earn a living would actually motivate them to work better, provide a better guest experience and improve the overall quality of the rest? Investing in employees can pay long-term dividends.

It's all about the bottom line.

If someone works out as an employee, great, if they don't, dump them and find another. I personally don't think long term employees is what Disney is after, just a stable workforce that lives up to its reputation.

Is investing in employees a good idea? Hell yes, if they did, I think the parks would be better than they are now, and last time I went, I had nothing but an incredible experience. But thats the rub, I had nothing but an incredible experience, and it came from people making 7.35 an hour.

If you were Disney, why would you change that?


Jimmy Thick- Its Six Sigma.
 

Monsterfan99

Active Member
WDW is a job that pays a set wage and is voluntarily. However, for a great many people the "starter" job turns into "this is all I got." When some states are hitting 15% in un-emploment and McDonalds isn't hiring, there are bigger problems.

The idea people can just pick-up and move is not only moronic but an insult to people. Moving to Orlando from IL myself (move in next week) I can tell you the bare minimum cost for moving is well over $1,000 in gas and motel alone. This is without a moving truck of any type and help from friends. Add in the cost of first & last months rent, car registration for a new state, start-up cost you are looking at over $3000. Last time I check, people working full-time on Disney wages are struggle to make $12,000 a year PRE-tax and union dues. Without help from parents or friends with money, it can not be done with any level of sanity.



No, I believe I understand your point vividly. I see you just making popular excuses and pointing blame.

There are jobs, a quick search of internet job sites found over 5 thousand in Orlando itself, a far cry of no jobs, and none of them were Disney related. Some, if not most of the jobs required more than a high school education, so maybe thats were the problem truly lies. I just don't believe everything I see on the news, the world is only as disparaging as one makes it.
And most "jobs" on online websites are scams. Education also has nothing to do with it as college is a joke and waste of money useless you need a certification. The other "wonderful" idea with finding work now if you need 3-5 years experience for an entry level job. It's the wonderful system that tells people "sorry you need to get experience" then when they get it "sorry, you are too qualified." It is what happens when there are way too many people and shrinking amount of jobs.

I joined the Marines, then became a Police Officer, and last time I checked, they are always in demand. I chose to make my path. I will never allow myself to be held in a lifestyle where I could not support my family. If someone thinks they are, as you say "stuck", then thats on them to stand up for themselves and make better decisions.

You cannot blame Disney on this one.



Jimmy Thick- My back is strong.
State of IL is cutting cops left and right. Same with fire, teachers, postal and any other government agency that provides public services nation wide. I am glad for you that you still have a job. But let those people who got released due to budget cuts that now work at WDW know how it is their fault for not standing up for themselves.
 

Mr. Morrow

New Member
Original Poster
I would say start at $10/hour. Out in bad weather, dealing with the public, standing for hours, and most importantly-keeping people (many children) safe on a ride.

This is resonable but I will say it again these are not jobs to raise a family so if people are trying to do this I don't know what to say.

all the people cheering on capitalism and how Disney is an example of the "Free Market" at work....

can we all agree now that Capitalism is a failure at all levels and move on?

No.
 

Mr. Morrow

New Member
Original Poster
No one is forcing anyone to work at Disney, people CHOOSE to work at Disney, only if you get lucky for Disney to actually hire you. IF the wage is below standard, get a different job that pays better.

If Disney pays so poorly and you have been forced to live on that, why would you allow yourself to suffer?

The fact is, Disney views its employees as expendable, as there is always others to take their place. You have to realize that once you start working there, your just a fart away from someone taking your job. Most business, like retail for example, applies the same mentality, I mean, why wouldn't they?

It's like the old job interview story, person gets a job, job asks them how much they think they should make, person say's " I don't care ", job gives them 7.35 an hour. Next person gets the same job but makes 15.00, and you wonder why?



Jimmy Thick- Iam a military man myself...

Jimmy I have read your posts for a long time and you have never made more sense than in this thread.
 

Mr. Morrow

New Member
Original Poster
I think you greatly missed my point.

Many people have no choice but to work at Disney or in retail or other low level jobs.

And there are NOT jobs out there. So they are stuck.

You have a very basic lack of understanding for what the current marketplace entails.

Unless you believe people are working at WDW for the pixie dust ... or the fact they can book a room at the Grand Flo for half price (what is that now? maybe $240 a night?) when they couldn't book it for $39 as part of the Disney Difference.

But I have posted here more than I planned ... let the insanity continue.

~John Stamos loves WOC!~

There are always other opportunities out there no one is forced to work for Disney.
 

Brian Noble

Well-Known Member
Here's the part about "pay the cast a living wage" that most people forget: prices for visiting would have to go up. To get to the point where the wage is actually livable for a single w/o dependents (let alone a dependent or two), probably by a lot.

In other words, a good chunk of the people visiting WDW today for their "once in a lifetime trip" would be priced out of this brave new world tomorrow. Those who come annually might have to cut back to once every few years. And so on.

That's a possible solution---after all, places like Discovery Cove work---but in that hypothetical universe, we would have a very different World than the one we have now. First, fewer people would visit, so it would be smaller. Four parks? Probably not.

It's not necessarily a bad World. But, given the hue and cry on every Disney board every time coke goes up a nickel about "pricing out the little guy", I suspect it's a World that most of you don't want. It's certainly a World that "the market" (meaning, the people who pay for it) doesn't want. WalMart is successful for a reason---and the reason is that it provides people what they want for a lower price.

On a broader level, wage inequality *is* getting worse, there's no question. I expect that will accelerate as the global labor market continues to equalize. As bad as it is in the US today, it's going to get a lot worse. As the barriers between markets continue to erode, the cost of labor will have increasing pressures to equalize. And, this erosion is inevitable.

On the other hand, perhaps it's not sustainable for the United States to contribute to 1/4 of the world's energy consumption with 1/20th of the world's population. In *that* world, there is no Walt Disney World at all. Such luxuries wouldn't be sustainable either.
 

parkgoer

Member
the only thing that was false in that article is the amount we make per hour. i wish it was 8.60.....you start at $7.70 as a frontline CM. It might be slightly more if you work in QSFB...
 

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