Californian Elitist
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Why aren't we allowed to complain about too many ice cubes in our Coke drinks?
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Matt_Black
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Because you can just take the ice cubes out.
MerlinTheGoat
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Taking out the ice (in non-free refill cups anyways like WDW now uses) doesn't fix the issue at hand- too much ice and too little soda. You can take out the ice, but it won't magically make the quantity of coke increase. The now incredibly low level of actual soda only makes it ever more obvious that you got ripped off.
I don't drink soda anymore so this particular issue doesn't really affect me (kicked the stuff a good while back due to health reasons, only if there's absolutely nothing else to drink and desperately thirsty will I drink a soda now). But before, my mom and I both learned to ask for no ice when ordering one. That's from a ton of experience with orders shortchanging you by adding too much ice and not enough drink. In most cases the soda is already respectably cold enough without needing ice and ice will only melt and water it down anyways. I completely understand why people would make such a complaint.
The most lasting and prominent complaints on this site aren't little things like coke. They're of more seriously crippling and totally unacceptable issues such as:
- Major broken ride elements (yeti just to name the most famous but major broken show elements are present all across WDW these days).
- Replacement of attractions with ones that can be fairly argued as objectively inferior (Imagination, Horizons, World of Motion)
- Shuttering of attractions with no replacements at all (Wonders of Life, Imageworks, Diamond Horseshoe)
- Wasteful investments (yes the now $2 billion and rising with no apparent end in sight next gen fiasco instead of real attractions)
Refurbishments have become very hit or miss lately as well. Splash Mountain was a good recent example of a decent one, but with modern Disney management there has come another term- defurb. In the case of Kali River Rapids, a recent refurb found it reopen with fewer effects working than before it closed for rehab. In some cases, taking an attraction down might be more to save money in operating costs than actually fixing much. Or in the case of Maelstrom- partially cleaning up the ride but taking certain shortcuts to hide issues instead of fixing them (like installing black ceiling tiles to hide the black mold that had been growing in the ceiling queue). There are still too few refurbs happening. Spectromagic was going to be rehabbed but they scrapped that plan due to how badly they let the thing rot (now it's destroyed). Tomorrowland is supposed to have some work done at some point but that may have been pushed back (if it doesn't end up getting canceled again). Space Mountain is in desperate need of a full on reworking, more than ever after they had to fit the cars with more braking so they wouldn't put any more strain than necessary on the dilapidated ride structure (that probably needs a complete rebuild by this point).
That being said, little details are important and any even moderately competent imagineer would tell you that. One single problem probably won't dampen the experience, it's when multiple little details begin to grow and accumulate at an alarming rate that it affects the overall picture. Example- one burnt out popcorn light on the Grand Floridian or Main Street USA isn't a huge issue. Especially if WDW maintenance chose to be proactive about it and inspect and change broken bulbs every night. Or better yet do what they did about 20 years ago, change them whenever they reached 80% life expectancy to further decrease the possibilities of guests seeing many broken lights (this is a fact, before Eisner eliminated most of the night crews during the second half of his rule). Regardless, one or two broken bulbs are probably not going to ruin anyone's vacation. But if the neglect piles on to such a severe extent that over a quarter of the lights among strings of multiples of hundreds become burned out (which has actually happened within the past couple of years)- things begin to look incredibly unprofessional and distracting to even regular onlookers (especially for those of us who visited before the mid-late 90's or prior and caught a firsthand look at how the parks used to be managed and improved). Little by little, these small singular details pile on into an enormous heap that disconnects you from the "magic" the parks are supposed to be immersing you in.
The standards often cited on this forum aren't some vague insurmountable peak made up by people here. We didn't set those standards, Disney did, prior to Iger's reign (and even Eisner's reign pre-Frank Wells' death). It is their own standards we are holding them against, not ones we simply fabricated.
It's also prudent to mention that no, the current executives running the company do NOT care about WDW or the parks in the slightest. It has been this way for quite some time now. They have no interest in the theme park business, they view the parks as an annoying hindrance that they have to tolerate in order to sell hotel rooms and time shares. Hence how they have to be forced kicking and screaming to build anything of substance in the parks themselves (and as MM+ has shown, they're always looking into finding ways out of having to invest in real attractions). As has been stated by reputable insiders such as Martin (and WDW1974 may have mentioned this as well), a couple of years ago some of the company heads actually attempted to sell the parks to an outside individual, quite recently in fact (I think it was @marni1971 aka Martin that mentioned 2011 was the recent point in which Iger and his buddies attempted this). Unsuccessfully likely due to the pricetag, but the attempt was made and that says just how much they actually care about the parks.
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Pocahontas
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Because it is dumb, unnecessary, and just not worth it. I don't even know why you would want to.
TubaGeek
God bless the "Ignore" button.
It's almost as bad as complaining about someone complaining about too many ice cubes.
Matt_Black
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It's almost as bad as complaining about someone complaining about too many ice cubes.
Or complaining about someone complaining about the ice cube complainer. How far down does this rabbit hole go?!?
TubaGeek
God bless the "Ignore" button.
Matt_Black
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My mind is blown!
DisneyConstruction23
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Just ask for light ice......it beats that complaint
Simply interested as to people's opinions and seen as though every thread on here goes on to this subject perhaps this thread will keep others more " on topic" .
Yeah I agree with this, think it sums it up pretty well.
ford91exploder
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Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
they get every where apparently and do stuff that just aint 'Merican.
but thanks for pointing out the rest it simply hadnt occurred to me.
truly boak inducing
jlsHouston
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Tommye1078
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We just returned last week for a 4 night DCL and 4 night WDW. After our last trip and this trip to WDW we have decided not to return for a unforeseen amount of time and just enjoy DCL. They seem to have the finger on the pulse of their customers.
It wasn't the lack of updates I enjoy riding the same rides over the years, it was the level of service at WDW or lack there of.
It wasn't the lack of updates I enjoy riding the same rides over the years, it was the level of service at WDW or lack there of.
wendysue
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It should have NOTHING to do with the way businesses run, and everything to do with MY happiness...
Funmeister's Delight
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I being one of the complainers can tell you this. I complain about the old rides being removed because the quality of a majority of those attractions were much higher than their replacements. On a property as big as WDW there are many cases where demolishing old attractions was not needed, but was done as a way of saving money. Walt Disney World is not just stale because of a lack of new attractions, its stale because it lacks great attractions that you can't find anywhere else.
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