This headset from Apple is AR though not VR which people seem to be talking about
It’s funny how this is also a thread to air out grievances against IPhone or something.
Apple is a love/hate company I guess.
Its cool I enjoy the back and forth.We're just on a tangent because Captain is trying to argue that the iPhone was some brand new product unrelated to anything that had ever come before it where as the Vision Pro, is just Apple's copy of a VR headset that according to him, nobody - as in zero people - wants.
Sorry, but all of that seems ridiculous to me.
By all appearances, the Vision Pro is launching very much in the same way the iPhone did by improving on the functionality of existing products and pulling the category more out of the shadows of niche and into the mainstream by taking features previously only available in what are actual pro level devices (in this case, something like the Varjo XR-3) and putting them in a product marketed towards a consumer audience at a price point well above what that market is accustomed to.
The fact that I saw three commercials for the dang thing yesterday on Youtube when it isn't even set to go on sale until 2024 makes that seem pretty obvious to me.
Personally, I've never owned anything but an iPhone since the 3G (and I did clock in a few months with the original) so I'm certainly not hating on them but my memory is long enough to remember them as a device that didn't have things like OS level copy/paste, autocorrect/spell-check*, or support for emojis without going into settings and jumping through hoops to get a Japanese keyboard working on them - they didn't start as the relatively polished product we've seen for the last decade.
*I remember buying a third party app for email when the app store launched because it had both copy/paste and a spell check function built in.
Some of us are old enough (and nerdy enough) to have been into this stuff before the iPhone, is all.Its cool I enjoy the back and forth.
I didn’t realize how much people know about phone history.
Nope. Android came out afterwardsI believe the "Android" (before Google bought it) was out before the iPhone but it wasn't super popular yet
I too am a geezer who had a Newton and a Handspring Visor and assorted Windows Mobile devices. It's funny how I'm basically living in young-me's technological paradise and I still can't find anything to watch on my Apple TV with access to virtually everything ever made. Such is life, I suppose.Some of us are old enough (and nerdy enough) to have been into this stuff before the iPhone, is all.
I know what Apple brought to the table both at launch and over time (which was substantial) but I also know what didn't begin with them.*
That said, my knowledge of phones outside of Apple starts to drop off dramatically after its launch because that's been my only real phone since.
*unless we want to muddy everything about phones and PDAs further and start talking about the Apple Newton which wasnotazzoonot a phone.
Anyone see any irony in this post ?
You saw ads for it on youtube because you're talking about it here.We're just on a tangent because Captain is trying to argue that the iPhone was some brand new product unrelated to anything that had ever come before it where as the Vision Pro, is just Apple's copy of a VR headset that according to him, nobody - as in zero people - wants.
Sorry, but all of that seems ridiculous to me.
By all appearances, the Vision Pro is launching very much in the same way the iPhone did by improving on the functionality of existing products and pulling the category more out of the shadows of niche and into the mainstream by taking features previously only available in what are actual pro level devices (in this case, something like the Varjo XR-3) wrapping it all up in an "Apple UI" and putting them in a product marketed towards a consumer audience at a price point well above what that market is accustomed to.
The fact that I saw three commercials for the dang thing yesterday on Youtube when it isn't even set to go on sale until 2024 makes that seem pretty obvious to me.
Personally, I've never owned anything but an iPhone since the 3G (and I did clock in a few months with the original) so I'm certainly not hating on them but my memory is long enough to remember a device that didn't have things like OS level copy/paste, autocorrect/spell-check*, or support for emojis without going into settings and jumping through hoops to get a Japanese keyboard working on them - they didn't start as the relatively polished product we've seen for the last decade and that some people around here have grown up with.
*I remember buying a third party app for email when the app store launched because it had both copy/paste - just within the app - and a spell check function built in.
That is why we need more development and someone daring enough to create a unified system that all platforms can share. Till then there will likely be a divide between what you can do versus what you can do on something else.
Lol, probably!You saw ads for it on youtube because you're talking about it here.![]()
When Newton's came out, there was no way I was going to convince and adult to buy one for me and the year they stopped making them, there was no way I'd have been able to afford one but man did I want one.I too am a geezer who had a Newton and a Handspring Visor and assorted Windows Mobile devices. It's funny how I'm basically living in young-me's technological paradise and I still can't find anything to watch on my Apple TV with access to virtually everything ever made. Such is life, I suppose.
Thanks for the elaboration.I was talking about VR vs. AR/MR because they are very different things. There are still people who think full VR is the future of everything, and that's never made much sense. AR/MR will eventually become a daily use product for the average person; VR will not.
The really hardcore VR aficionados don't seem able to grasp that not everyone loves it the way they do -- it gets tiring reading/hearing variations of "well once you've tried it you'll understand", while ignoring all of the people who have tried it and don't agree with them. I have tried VR (in multiple formats) and it's fun, but it's not something I'd ever want to use regularly.
As I said in the last sentence of the post you quoted, that's not an issue for this Apple product because it isn't solely a VR headset.
Also a thread?It’s funny how this is also a thread to air out grievances against IPhone or something.
Apple is a love/hate company I guess.
I hear ya.Also a thread?
You mean there are other threads about a thing that isn't out yet, e.g., a ride or an attraction or a park or a movie or a show; and people pile in there to air grievances about it before it's complete?!
Why, I've never heard of such a thing!!
To be fair, we're kind of past the boom days of smart phones when changes between versions were dramatic.I hear ya.
I just didn’t know that it was a thing with cell phones.
It’s cool to see people passionate about the tech.
I get a new phone and can’t even tell the difference from the last one. That’s how tech stupid I am.
VR won't really fail, it'll just be evolved away from as the primary use-case of these devices going forward - still there for gaming and other cases where someone would want it but not the default.
What's it going to be?When it comes to this product…do you think it’s the next step in seclusion? People are already antisocial with their noses in their phones but now this will really shut people out from the world around them. So, Mr. Goldblum….what’s that?
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