News Disney transforms Magic Kingdom's famous purple wall to celebrate PRIDE Month at Walt Disney World and will donate merch profits to support LGBTQIA+

[mightynine]

I’m sorry, but I can not support the pineapple on pizza movement. Gimme some meatza on my pizza!

 

[LAKid53]

Interesting that that's how you read that. Are you stating Thomas Jefferson was supporting violent uprising?

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government..."

Most historians conclude this phrase from the Declaration of Independence promotes that very act. Especially as the Declaration was written AFTER George III's incendiary address to Parliament on October 26, 1775, in which he declared the American colonies in open rebellion and called for the full weight of the British army on the Colonists. Prior to that address, the Colonists were merely seeking redress of their grievances.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Much as I love you, I'd agree with @Anteater that this is uncivil.

Unnecessary, too. You can be a Christian and fully support civil rights for the LGBTQ community.

 

[Patcheslee]

Both of my kids attend/attended private school so the drama was/is at a minimum. My daughter now in college and part of a Greek life system that has recently become very popular on social media has told of some drama but mostly all rooted in the opposite sex. My son who is in high school only cares about sports and is obviously a boy so they stay pretty drama free. Tell your daughter to keep her head up none of this will matter in college.

We've got a saying she practices to help her "If I won't remember it in a month, is it worth being upset over". Seems to have helped with what is influencing her emotions. The bullying stopped so far in February after she bloodied a boys nose for continuing to call her a furry. Finally has the confidence to speak up for herself because she didn't like hitting him. She's looking forward to high school in a year for more electives including show choir, so positive forward thinking.

IMO, for kids, at least, a ton depends on the leadership at the school they attend. Some schools have an atmosphere that virtually fosters bullying. Others are so warm and welcoming that you can see it in the students and how they treat each other even in passing. (Speaking from experience. My son was bullied IN CLASS in one middle school...and felt like a celebrity after we transferred him.)

Leadership has ton to do with it, even in elementary if bullying isn't addressed kids lose confidence in the them. Heck I remember being in high school and the football coach let the team out of practice early because one of them was supposed to fight one of my guy friends. Same insane system exists today here.

 

[Brian]

anti-proud boys is a good thing, so I don't mind if it becomes that tbf.

My point is, disagreeing about the placement of a mural in a Disney Park is one thing, the conversation about how we are lesser than or an abomination because of some peoples beliefs in a fairytale book is another.

I don't subscribe to the notion that someone can disagree with the very facet of who I am, simply because I happen to be gay. Feel free to criticize me if I drink too much, or don't shower enough, or any number of things. Have your opinion.

But I don't believe anyone gets the power or ability to judge me because I am gay, or to restrict my rights, or to believe I am lesser.

I can't stop anyone from thinking or saying these things, but they can face the consequences based on the rules of this website, and the discretion of the admins / mods.

Notice how you're getting (rightfully) criticized for calling the Bible a "fairytale book," but there's nobody here crying out for you to be censored.

This is the point I made earlier in this thread. I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment of the Bible and it's adherents, and find it quite distasteful. In fact, I can argue that it cuts against "the very facet of who I am," but I will always defend your ability to say it.

 

[Anteater]

Notice how you're getting (rightfully) criticized for calling the Bible a "fairytale book," but there's nobody here crying out for you to be censored.

This is the point I made earlier in this thread. I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment of the Bible and it's adherents, and find it quite distasteful. In fact, I can argue that it cuts against "the very facet of who I am," but I will always defend your ability to say it.

I admit I was tit-for-tat on that comment. My bad.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

We've got a saying she practices to help her "If I won't remember it in a month, is it worth being upset over". Seems to have helped with what is influencing her emotions. The bullying stopped so far in February after she bloodied a boys nose for continuing to call her a furry. Finally has the confidence to speak up for herself because she didn't like hitting him. She's looking forward to high school in a year for more electives including show choir, so positive forward thinking.

Leadership has ton to do with it, even in elementary if bullying isn't addressed kids lose confidence in the them. Heck I remember being in high school and the football coach let the team out of practice early because one of them was supposed to fight one of my guy friends. Same insane system exists today here.

I'm glad she's speaking up - that's hugely important!

I really think when a child gets in trouble for bullying, the parents need to attend anti-bullying seminars and/or counseling WITH their children. We simply aren't doing enough to address this issue and kids are still hurting themselves because of it. My own son was bullied so often and right under the nose of the teacher that he stopped telling anyone about it because nothing changed. I had to get him into counseling because it got so bad that he started talking about wanting to die. The school's excuse was that "the teacher had a rough bunch of kids this year". BULL. She had a pack of kids that no one had bothered to discipline and whose parents are likely bully types too, and now they're in 6th grade and out of control.

 

[LittleBuford]

Notice how you're getting (rightfully) criticized for calling the Bible a "fairytale book," but there's nobody here crying out for you to be censored.

This is the point I made earlier in this thread. I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment of the Bible and it's adherents, and find it quite distasteful. In fact, I can argue that it cuts against "the very facet of who I am," but I will always defend your ability to say it.

Even at the risk of upsetting @Disney Analyst, whom I consider a dear forum friend, I actually think it would be appropriate for that reference to the Bible to be deleted or edited.

Censorship isn't necessarily a bad thing. Certain things just aren't appropriate for certain contexts.

ETA: Perhaps "moderation" (in both senses of the word) is a better way of putting it than "censorship".

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I'm glad she's speaking up - that's hugely important!

I really think when a child gets in trouble for bullying, the parents need to attend anti-bullying seminars and/or counseling WITH their children. We simply aren't doing enough to address this issue and kids are still hurting themselves because of it. My own son was bullied so often and right under the nose of the teacher that he stopped telling anyone about it because nothing changed. I had to get him into counseling because it got so bad that he started talking about wanting to die. The school's excuse was that "the teacher had a rough bunch of kids this year". BULL. She had a pack of kids that no one had bothered to discipline and whose parents are likely bully types too, and now they're in 6th grade and out of control.

I just want to clarify...I transferred him to a different school for 7th grade, and the difference was night and day. That school was FABULOUS and I really wish researchers would study it so whatever they're doing so right could be replicated all over the country. My son is in 10th grade now, and is doing fantastic (Honor roll almost every quarter), and has made a ton of friends. His high school is also amazing.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Even at the risk of upsetting @Disney Analyst, whom I consider a dear forum friend, I actually think it would be appropriate for that reference to the Bible to be deleted or edited.

Censorship isn't necessarily a bad thing. Certain things just aren't appropriate for certain contexts.

ETA: Perhaps "moderation" (in both senses of the word) is a better way of putting it than "censorship".

But its very important to note that such derogatory comments are in no way tantamount to slurs directed at historically marginalized groups, much less to legislation designed to repress such groups and deny them their civil rights.

 

[LittleBuford]

But its very important to note that such derogatory comments are in no way tantamount to slurs directed at historically marginalized groups, much less to legislation designed to repress such groups and deny them their civil rights.

Absolutely. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

 

[Brian]

Even at the risk of upsetting @Disney Analyst, whom I consider a dear forum friend, I actually think it would be appropriate for that reference to the Bible to be deleted or edited.

Censorship isn't necessarily a bad thing. Certain things just aren't appropriate for certain contexts.

ETA: Perhaps "moderation" (in both senses of the word) is a better way of putting it than "censorship".

As it relates to this site, I trust that Steve and 'The Mom' will make a fair decision. Despite a hefty job as of late with all of Disney's political controversies, they've always been very reasonable.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Notice how you're getting (rightfully) criticized for calling the Bible a "fairytale book," but there's nobody here crying out for you to be censored.

This is the point I made earlier in this thread. I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment of the Bible and it's adherents, and find it quite distasteful. In fact, I can argue that it cuts against "the very facet of who I am," but I will always defend your ability to say it.

I agree it was harsh, but I intended it to make a point, as I knew many would call me out, some of which are friends on here. No one likes to feel othered, or to pointed out as wrong, or to feel unwelcome. There is a parallel with my statement, and statements that were made on here to the LGBTQ2+ community.

Truthfully I do not personally believe in any religion, but I do think that everyone has the right to their religious beliefs, and to practice their religion. I will fight for you to have those rights, so long as that religion does not trample upon or harm others.

My in-laws are the most religious people I know, and I love and cherish them dearly.

I want you or anyone to believe what you want religiously, and to feel fulfilled by it.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Even at the risk of upsetting @Disney Analyst, whom I consider a dear forum friend, I actually think it would be appropriate for that reference to the Bible to be deleted or edited.

Censorship isn't necessarily a bad thing. Certain things just aren't appropriate for certain contexts.

ETA: Perhaps "moderation" (in both senses of the word) is a better way of putting it than "censorship".

No upset at all, see my response above ^ <3

 

[CampbellzSoup]

All this back and forth over a tacky rainbow mural…

 

[The Mom]

I don't intend to stay up all night trying to keep this thread from going off course, so I will lock it and unlock it in the morning.

Everyone should take a little breather.

 

[Patcheslee]

I'm glad she's speaking up - that's hugely important!

I really think when a child gets in trouble for bullying, the parents need to attend anti-bullying seminars and/or counseling WITH their children. We simply aren't doing enough to address this issue and kids are still hurting themselves because of it. My own son was bullied so often and right under the nose of the teacher that he stopped telling anyone about it because nothing changed. I had to get him into counseling because it got so bad that he started talking about wanting to die. The school's excuse was that "the teacher had a rough bunch of kids this year". BULL. She had a pack of kids that no one had bothered to discipline and whose parents are likely bully types too, and now they're in 6th grade and out of control.

Definitely should require parent at least meeting with administration and everyone getting on the same page about what's expected. I had to meet with the principal over her punching a boy, but the boys parents didn't have to meet with the principal for the bullying. Only reason I know this is it turned out it was a coworkers son, and the guy just got a phone call.

 

[maemae74]

Unnecessary, too. You can be a Christian and fully support civil rights for the LGBTQ community.

What are we talking about in terms of civil rights ? I fully support marriage, adoption, health /life insurance benefits etc... but I will be honest I feel there is push for somethings that I don't consider civil rights and are detrimental to the feminist movement. As a woman I have issue with some of the watering down of what it really means to be a woman in response to making sure everyone is included.

 

[maemae74]

We've got a saying she practices to help her "If I won't remember it in a month, is it worth being upset over". Seems to have helped with what is influencing her emotions. The bullying stopped so far in February after she bloodied a boys nose for continuing to call her a furry. Finally has the confidence to speak up for herself because she didn't like hitting him. She's looking forward to high school in a year for more electives including show choir, so positive forward thinking.

Leadership has ton to do with it, even in elementary if bullying isn't addressed kids lose confidence in the them. Heck I remember being in high school and the football coach let the team out of practice early because one of them was supposed to fight one of my guy friends. Same insane system exists today here.

Well hopefully he learned a lesson. Sometimes a painful one does the trick.
I have heard my son use the term Furry when I mentioned a classmate from Kindergarten being a super cute girl and he responded with " No we don't talk she is a fury"? What does that mean to individuals under the age of 18? I asked him elaborate but I just got mumbling and grumbling.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

abomination that is Dole Whip

You can call my lifestyle an abomination and I’ll just laugh at you... but calling a Dole Whip an abomination.... TOO FAR!!!!!