Disney Springs Plans: What do they mean?

[Tom Morrow]

They could have kept doing "as required" work but that seems to be a technique that is increasingly not practiced. Rather they now fix stuff to last. Hopefully Splash is getting that treatment this time. Bottom line is though that things have definitely changed in the last few years.

No, that's not it at all. You're coming up with excuses as to why they waited too long to give these attractions major refurbishments. These attractions run every day for 10, 12, 15 hours a day. There's no way to avoid it - they need to be closed for refurbishments here and there. And even then... they certainly haven't done much work that isn't "as required" - the experience on BTMRR wasn't plussed in any way rather - they just fixed the effects that were already there and should have been working all this time anyway. To me, that should be "as required" work at a world-class theme park.

Or a misguided publicity stunt.

You really think Disney would admit that one of their attractions caught on fire as a publicity stunt?? We weren't even supposed to know about the fire... that was hush-hush.

 

[jt04]

Jose runs the Tiki Room again... as far as my concern it was a "Genius move" on their part... publicity stunt or not..... this made a lot of people happy...

Agreed. You must have an app that notifies you if the words "tiki room" are used more that twice on any Disney site. It is like the bat signal for batman.

 

[WDW1974]

It is an analogy. I know you have trouble stretching your mind that far but AoA and expanded GF etc are part of longer range plans. Infrastructure first. Crowds second.

Look at Universal. They built two massive parking garages when they knew very well they would not fill them on a daily basis. But soon they will. It is called logic. Try it out someday.

JT ... AoA and GF DVC have nothing to do with anything but greed. DVC has been a cash cow and Disney is milking the udders until they bleed. AoA was built using the hulk of a structure that was supposed to Phase II of POP.

Neither one of those has one thing to do with crowds.

And UNI has filled its garages in the past. They weren't built in the 1990s waiting for a Comcast takeover and huge reinvestment into the resort.

You take two things that have nothing to do with each other and try and make a connection.

 

[jt04]

No, that's not it at all. You're coming up with excuses as to why they waited too long to give these attractions major refurbishments. These attractions run every day for 10, 12, 15 hours a day. There's no way to avoid it - they need to be closed for refurbishments here and there. And even then... they certainly haven't done much work that isn't "as required" - the experience on BTMRR wasn't plussed in any way rather - they just fixed the effects that were already there and should have been working all this time anyway. To me, that should be "as required" work at a world-class theme park.

Somebody forgot to tell Eisner this.

 

[WDW1974]

Martin talked about original Tiki at least a year before it was announced. Just sayin'.

Logic can be your friend.

I don't recall what Martin did or didn't say.

I can only tell you the FACTS as they are.

 

[rudyjr13]

JT ... AoA and GF DVC have nothing to do with anything but greed. DVC has been a cash cow and Disney is milking the udders until they bleed. AoA was built using the hulk of a structure that was supposed to Phase II of POP.

Neither one of those has one thing to do with crowds.

And UNI has filled its garages in the past. They weren't built in the 1990s waiting for a Comcast takeover and huge reinvestment into the resort.

You take two things that have nothing to do with each other and try and make a connection.

I already have that fool on ignore. Now I have to wade through your posts replying to him? Just ignore.

 

[jt04]

JT ... AoA and GF DVC have nothing to do with anything but greed. DVC has been a cash cow and Disney is milking the udders until they bleed. AoA was built using the hulk of a structure that was supposed to Phase II of POP.

Neither one of those has one thing to do with crowds.

And UNI has filled its garages in the past. They weren't built in the 1990s waiting for a Comcast takeover and huge reinvestment into the resort.

You take two things that have nothing to do with each other and try and make a connection.

Those garages were built with future growth in mind. They bought enough land for further expansion which they intended from day 1. And they built the infrastructure with that in mind. Case closed.

 

[raven]

A new bus drop off along with the three currently there? Or one bus drop off serving the whole area? I know that sounds silly but, well, stranger things have been done before...

Moving the entire bus area.

 

[puntagordabob]

Martin talked about original Tiki at least a year before it was announced. Just sayin'.

Logic can be your friend.

NO. Martin said there was a force/group within the company that wanted to do the project...the plans even apparently had been worked on. Sadly, those in the position to Greenlight the project did NOT want to do so....it was Shelved like so many other great ideas that never were to see the light of day. Divine Intervention (Hey! I think Walt looked down from above and said This will not do... and set Iago ablaze lol) is the push that opened the door to this happening. Could it have happened one day without the fire... SURE... but the odds were stacked extremely against.

 

[puntagordabob]

He does not understand the logic of having enough facilities and infrastructure to support any undertaking. Obviously he has never heard of Woodstock. And I am tired of trying to explain it to him and his following.

What does your message have to do with what you quoted about the Tiki Room?

 

[jt04]

NO. Martin said there was a force/group within the company that wanted to do the project...the plans even apparently had been worked on. Sadly, those in the position to Greenlight the project did NOT want to do so....it was Shelved like so many other great ideas that never were to see the light of day. Divine Intervention (Hey! I think Walt looked down from above and said This will not do... and set Iago ablaze lol) is the push that opened the door to this happening. Could it have happened one day without the fire... SURE... but the odds were stacked extremely against.

Perhaps someone in that group had a zippo. Or maybe Walt or fate. In any case I am glad it happened.

 

[jt04]

What does your message have to do with what you quoted about the Tiki Room?

You acknowledged that you understood having infrastructure in place to support crowds. I thought maybe you could explain that to him because I am tired of trying. He has convinced himself the only strategy Disney has is the current quarter. He never thinks they may have longer term goals. Which, for an enterprise as large as WDW, would be ridiculous.

 

[HenryMystic]

Those garages were built with future growth in mind. They bought enough land for further expansion which they intended from day 1. And they built the infrastructure with that in mind. Case closed.

No, they were built because the old parking lot was replaced by 3 world class hotels, a world class theme park, and a shopping/dining/entertainment destination.

If anything, Universal probably needs a third garage or expansion of the existing two to cope with the crowds that will be coming the next few years.

 

[unkadug]

You acknowledged that you understood having infrastructure in place to support crowds. I thought maybe you could explain that to him because I am tired of trying. He has convinced himself the only strategy Disney has is the current quarter. He never thinks they may have longer term goals. Which, for an enterprise as large as WDW, would be ridiculous.

That because long term goals have no short term gains.

No short term gains means no quarterly bonus checks for upper management.

 

[George]

You acknowledged that you understood having infrastructure in place to support crowds. I thought maybe you could explain that to him because I am tired of trying. He has convinced himself the only strategy Disney has is the current quarter. He never thinks they may have longer term goals. Which, for an enterprise as large as WDW, would be ridiculous.

One way to handle crowds within a theme park it to have lots of attractions and rides. If you have big crowds at your 20 or so gigantic hotels and have theme parks that are slowly reducing capacity and one that has a grand total of 6 rides (and I'm counting a little dinosaur spinner) then your infrastructure as it exists may really off the crowds.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Why should I go all the way to WDW to replicate an experience I can already get at home?

If this has already been covered, I am sorry, but I'm old and do not have enough of my life left to go through all 39 pages, but, I would like to say that I don't know of anyone that has ever gone to WDW because of Downtown Disney. Even at it's prettiest, it is just a fancy shopping center. Always has been and probably always will be. It's a place to go to fill in a day that isn't connected with a park ticket and suck whatever extra money you have away from your possession. But as an enticement for a trip because of it, I have a hard time thinking that is possible. Any improvement that they make there will just be an extra and intended to draw you there once you have gotten to WDW, not to get you to WDW. Carry on with whatever the topic is at this point in the discussion.

 

[DisneyGuyNYC]

If this has already been covered, I am sorry, but I'm old and do not have enough of my life left to go through all 39 pages, but, I would like to say that I don't know of anyone that has ever gone to WDW because of Downtown Disney. Even at it's prettiest, it is just a fancy shopping center. Always has been and probably always will be. It's a place to go to fill in a day that isn't connected with a park ticket and suck whatever extra money you have away from your possession. But as an enticement for a trip because of it, I have a hard time thinking that is possible. Any improvement that they make there will just be an extra and intended to draw you there once you have gotten to WDW, not to get you to WDW. Carry on with whatever the topic is at this point in the discussion.

People went for Pleasure Island when they turned 21 or on Spring Break. Now my friends go to CityWalk and maybe around the world at Epcot.

 

[Goofyernmost]

People went for Pleasure Island when they turned 21 or on Spring Break. Now my friends go to CityWalk and maybe around the world at Epcot.

I don't deny that but Pleasure Island was not their primary destination. Just a handy pass time. If they only went for the alcohol you would have found them in a place like Daytona Beach or Cozumel or any on a list of thousands. Pleasure Island didn't draw bugs in on it's own merits.

 

[DisneyGuyNYC]

I don't deny that but Pleasure Island was not their primary destination. Just a handy pass time. If they only went for the alcohol you would have found them in a place like Daytona Beach or Cozumel or any on a list of thousands. Pleasure Island didn't draw bugs in on it's own merits.

I just told you that it did. Pleasure Island was the reason they could justify Disney for those occasions. Without it they stay at CityWalk or make other plans. I'm talking over 5+ close friends off the top of my head.

 

[Clever Name]

People went for Pleasure Island when they turned 21 or on Spring Break. Now my friends go to CityWalk and maybe around the world at Epcot.

I don't think WDW desires to appeal to the 21 year old demographic.