Disney springs not doing so well.....

[21stamps]

ok. Thanks for adding that explanation which is more of a behavioral econ approach. You are speaking my language.

What people here are failing to realize is we are all presented with basically the same scenario on a daily basis.
Sure some consumers are 'fooled' by any company doing so. Most aren't though.
The "But Wait! There's More!" Commercials are a perfect example. Black Friday is a perfect example. There are plenty of them.

The thing is- most of us realize that and choose accordingly.

I never went Black Friday shopping before I had a kid..now I do. Let's say I get 3-4 'great door buster deals' at Toys R US..do I realize that the other items I am purchasing probably could be found cheaper somewhere else? Yep.
I'm already there though, they got me in the door, so I'll stay for convenience.
Black Friday is one of the greatest retail schemes ever. Cyber Monday quickly catching up. I think most of us know that, and still choose to go. So are we being manipulated? Or are we making a choice that benefits us as well as the company who reeled us in? I think we both get the W.

 

[wdisney9000]

I don't need to convince you. It's my money, and I'm already convinced that I don't want to spend $600 for two people to do 11 hours in an extremely crowded theme park.

You start by saying, "i dont need to convince you". Yet you follow up with several reasons to defend your choice to not go, and also make Uni sound too expensive and too crowded. You are arguing with yourself at this point.

 

[21stamps]

You start by saying, "i dont need to convince you". Yet you follow up with several reasons to defend your choice to not go, and also make Uni sound too expensive and too crowded. You are arguing with yourself at this point.

Huh? You're kinda out there.

You asked me a question. I replied with an answer.

Universal and Islands of Adventure on the first day of their Christmas events is not somewhere that I want to be for $600.
If you do, you're more than welcome to fly down and head over there.

This isn't against Uni or IoA in the slightest. You aren't even making sense at this point. People spend money where they see a value.
It's that simple.
A Sale is a Transfer of Emotions.
People feel different emotions towards different things.
When you understand that then maybe you will stop with your nonsense.

 

[rael ramone]

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The whole 'Showrooming' thing is a cop out on the retailers part for not having adequate inventory management systems, Example I wanted a specific Panasonic LED TV which 'supposedly' my local Sears had in stock, Went down confirmed that that was indeed the one I wanted. Went to purchase, 'Sorry we don't have it in stock', Me then sell me the Display, 'Cannot do that' 'Why Not?' 'Company Policy' but we can order it for you if you pay in advance and it will take 14-21 business days to get to the store. Would you like to buy a service contract with that?. Sorry no, Buh-Bye.

Ordered it from Amazon saved some money and had it next day, Sears WOULD have had my money if they actually had the product IN STOCK and ready to sell, I even would have been happy with the floor model. When I hear retailers whining about online sales - people will buy in the stores if the store has the product ready to sell.

One local auto parts chain is whining about the competition from Amazon, Price is about the same but amazon delivers NEXT DAY and they take 3-5 days to get it from the 'warehouse'. Who do you think I shop with?

Yes some people will always shop for the absolute lowest price, But they are the ones whining about no after sale service etc - the iron law of economics always rules, you get what you pay for.

I think the only reason Sears exists these days is for having a bathroom available for use at the dead end of a mall. I would not be surprised if rents are cheaper in the 'Sears wing' then it is for any other anchor wing. (If $DIS want's to send guests to the other end of DS, perhaps they should have Sears move into Disneyquest).

 

[wdisney9000]

Huh? You're kinda out there.

You asked me a question. I replied with an answer.

Universal and Islands of Adventure on the first day of their Christmas events is not somewhere that I want to be for $600.
If you do, you're more than welcome to fly down and head over there.

This isn't against Uni or IoA in the slightest. You aren't even making sense at this point. People spend money where they see a value.
It's that simple.
A Sale is a Transfer of Emotions.
People feel different emotions towards different things.
When you understand that then maybe you will stop with your nonsense.

My question was rhetorical. However, I understand your desire to resist the illusion of control being shattered. Please dont take that as me telling you that you are an ignorant, stupid brainwashed consumer (you know, the adjectives you keep inserting), because that is not what it means. IMO, we are all brainwashed (if you will), to a certain extent.

Your very presence on this forum is proof that you are a Disney fanatic (myself and others here included). Have you not encountered friends or family who do not share your passion for WDW and question why you visit so often? Why you would spend so much money with TWDC? Or even questioned by those who feel the company is "evil"? To those people, we are 100% brainwashed by the evil Disney corp. They could care less as to why we would choose Disney or Uni over vice versa. Any excuse we give would come off as a defense. In fairness though, they are correct to a certain extent. Not that Disney is evil, but that we choose time and time again to revisit and spend more money than an average vacation. Those same people have their personal "brainwashed" view on certain things as well and if you point the finger back at them, they will go into defense mode the same way we do, but will not view at as defense because they feel justified in their logic.

Point is, we live in an age DOMINATED by conglomerates. They spend more money on the psychological aspects of brainwashing us than we would ever care to know. Did you know Disney has a "secret" research facility in Austin Texas? The measure children and adults biometric responses on everything from internet ads to basic images and words. They spend billions to learn everything from what color a trash can should be to how long your brain will remain locked on to an image. While these studies are nothing new, they used to be done with questionaires or group studies, but now are bringing it to an entire new level of conscripted consumption. Concepts in movies such as WAL-E are not that far from reality.

 

[Coaster Lover]

think about all the attraction that could've been added with that 2 billion.

Well, word is that Pandora's price tag is in the >1 billion range and that will have two attractions, so is the correct answer four? (two E-tickets and two C/D-tickets?)

 

[homerdance]

They built one at Florida mall since this project was announced in 2013. It opened about 2 years ago roughly. http://www.americangirl.com/corporate/new-store-orlando

Thanks!

 

[lazyboy97o]

I can not believe that some people have such little faith in the human brain.

Faith has nothing to do with it. It is some basic, observable fact. It's only getting ridiculous because you keep upping the hyperbole.

This isn't against Uni or IoA in the slightest. You aren't even making sense at this point. People spend money where they see a value.
It's that simple.
A Sale is a Transfer of Emotions.
People feel different emotions towards different things.
When you understand that then maybe you will stop with your nonsense.

That value is structured in a certain way, it is not objective and pure. You have been influenced by the value and decision making structure in exactly the way you keep denying.

 

[21stamps]

My question was rhetorical. However, I understand your desire to resist the illusion of control being shattered. Please dont take that as me telling you that you are an ignorant, stupid brainwashed consumer (you know, the adjectives you keep inserting), because that is not what it means. IMO, we are all brainwashed (if you will), to a certain extent.

Your very presence on this forum is proof that you are a Disney fanatic (myself and others here included). Have you not encountered friends or family who do not share your passion for WDW and question why you visit so often? Why you would spend so much money with TWDC? Or even questioned by those who feel the company is "evil"? To those people, we are 100% brainwashed by the evil Disney corp. They could care less as to why we would choose Disney or Uni over vice versa. Any excuse we give would come off as a defense. In fairness though, they are correct to a certain extent. Not that Disney is evil, but that we choose time and time again to revisit and spend more money than an average vacation. Those same people have their personal "brainwashed" view on certain things as well and if you point the finger back at them, they will go into defense mode the same way we do, but will not view at as defense because they feel justified in their logic.

Point is, we live in an age DOMINATED by conglomerates. They spend more money on the psychological aspects of brainwashing us than we would ever care to know. Did you know Disney has a "secret" research facility in Austin Texas? The measure children and adults biometric responses on everything from internet ads to basic images and words. They spend billions to learn everything from what color a trash can should be to how long your brain will remain locked on to an image. While these studies are nothing new, they used to be done with questionaires or group studies, but now are bringing it to an entire new level of conscripted consumption. Concepts in movies such as WAL-E are not that far from reality.

You still aren't getting it.

First of all, my entire adult life has been spent in a career of Sales and Finance, so I am well aware of different tactics to make people part with their money.

The whole Disney Fanatic thing- No, I have never experienced the situation you described. Disney World is not and will never be my family's only annual travel destination. It wasn't for me when I was a kid either. The majority of my friends and family go to WDW annually, they also go other places as well. Travel and experiences are important to me. My parents instilled that in me as a child and it has only blossomed with time. I try to surround myself with people who feel/do the same.

Our June '17 Alaska/Olympic Peninsula trip has an overall cost of almost double of what we are spending on our upcoming WDW trip, so yes, WDW is expensive, but so are plenty of other places.

If we want to say "brainwashed" then I admit I have brainwashed myself when it comes to experiencing life, and I am brainwashing my child. It's why I have memberships/annual passes to the Zoo, Museums, Amusement park, Aquarium etc. It's why I went tent camping for the first time in 2015, and decided to make it an annual tradition. It's why we find road trips to take within a few hour drive and explore caves while staying in a cabin in the woods. It's why on my son's 4th Birthday I subscribed to a program called "Little Passports" (brilliant website and material btw) and gave him an interactive globe to go along with it. He picks a geographical area, we go get books on it, learn about it, and decide if it's a place we would like to travel to. (His top pick would be Antarctica and I've vetoed that lol).

I will spend money to have those experiences and for my child to have experiences. Maybe it's an inexpensive camping trip or a WDW vacation, snorkeling at Dry Tortugas, or taking a helicopter and dog sledding on a glacier. My emotion and perception of value is what influences me to purchase something. All of these places are competing for our money, all are trying to entice us.

In the end we choose what we do and why. Are we influenced? Of course. I've never disputed that. Look at Disney's marketing, look at how Atlantis markets their resort now, they are aimed at children, to get your child to ask you to go. They know that for a lot of us our decisions are made based on what our children want.

 

[wdisney9000]

You have been influenced by the value and decision structure in exactly the way you keep denying.

Denial is the easiest way for people to distance themselves from an awareness of unpleasant thoughts or behaviors.

 

[wdisney9000]

You still aren't getting it.

First of all, my entire adult life has been spent in a career of Sales and Finance, so I am well aware of different tactics to make people part with their money.

The whole Disney Fanatic thing- No, I have never experienced the situation you described. Disney World is not and will never be my family's only annual travel destination. It wasn't for me when I was a kid either. The majority of my friends and family go to WDW annually, they also go other places as well. Travel and experiences are important to me. My parents instilled that in me as a child and it has only blossomed with time. I try to surround myself with people who feel/do the same.

Our June '17 Alaska/Olympic Peninsula trip has an overall cost of almost double of what we are spending on our upcoming WDW trip, so yes, WDW is expensive, but so are plenty of other places.

If we want to say "brainwashed" then I admit I have brainwashed myself when it comes to experiencing life, and I am brainwashing my child. It's why I have memberships/annual passes to the Zoo, Museums, Amusement park, Aquarium etc. It's why I went tent camping for the first time in 2015, and decided to make it an annual tradition. It's why we find road trips to take within a few hour drive and explore caves while staying in a cabin in the woods. It's why on my son's 4th Birthday I subscribed to a program called "Little Passports" (brilliant website and material btw) and gave him an interactive globe to go along with it. He picks a geographical area, we go get books on it, learn about it, and decide if it's a place we would like to travel to. (His top pick would be Antarctica and I've vetoed that lol).

I will spend money to have those experiences and for my child to have experiences. Maybe it's an inexpensive camping trip or a WDW vacation, snorkeling at Dry Tortugas, or taking a helicopter and dog sledding on a glacier. My emotion and perception of value is what influences me to purchase something. All of these places are competing for our money, all are trying to entice us.

In the end we choose what we do and why. Are we influenced? Of course. I've never disputed that. Look at Disney's marketing, look at how Atlantis markets their resort now, they are aimed at children, to get your child to ask you to go. They know that for a lot of us our decisions are made based on what our children want.

Your posts are becoming little more than defense mechanisms. Your constant citing of examples to prove otherwise is your own internal struggle. I know you will take that as me "not getting the point" or trolling. I assure you it is neither. Your ego will not allow you to view it as anything other than an attack.

It's similar to the mentality of an abused spouse who makes excuses as to why they cant leave the relationship that causes so much pain, regardless of who tells them that they are making excuses. It's the fear of recognizing what they don't want to believe. So they lash out instead.

 

[21stamps]

Faith has nothing to do with it. It is some basic, observable fact. It's only getting ridiculous because you keep upping the hyperbole.


That value is structured in a certain way, it is not objective and pure. You have been influenced by the value and decision making structure in exactly the way you keep denying.

The bold- Not much is. One can realize that and still choose to do it. Look at all of the DVC owners. What do you think a timeshare is? It's buying a dream. It's transferring your emotions in the form of a long term cash commitment.

Is it objective and pure? Not in the least bit. Some may go into more objective than others, all of them are buying the promise of something. Plenty are happy with that, they made an educated decision based on their habits or future habits. Again, win-win for the seller and the person being sold.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Your posts are becoming little more than defense mechanisms. Your constant citing of examples to prove otherwise is your own internal struggle. I know you will take that as me "not getting the point" or trolling. I assure you it is neither. Your ego will not allow you to view it as anything other than an attack.

It's similar to the mentality of an abused spouse who makes excuses as to why they cant leave the relationship that causes so much pain.

OK, so I've read through your postings on this, and still fail to see your point. What is your point? What is your side of this? What exactly are you trying to say? That we can no longer make up our own minds on a purchase because Disney says we have to buy something??

 

[21stamps]

Your posts are becoming little more than defense mechanisms. Your constant citing of examples to prove otherwise is your own internal struggle. I know you will take that as me "not getting the point" or trolling. I assure you it is neither. Your ego will not allow you to view it as anything other than an attack.

It's similar to the mentality of an abused spouse who makes excuses as to why they cant leave the relationship that causes so much pain.

You seem to be a little infatuated with me, yes.

Apparently you don't understand what a discussion is. You only want to repeat the same thing and not even entertain that there is a possibility of someone spending their money with their eyes open.

I'm sorry that you can't grasp a simple concept.

I don't even understand the abused spouse example. It does not make sense at all. What is the relationship? Where is the pain? Who is the abuser? Do you even know what you're talking about at this point? Seriously?

 

[wdisney9000]

You seem to be a little infatuated with me, yes.

Classic coping mechanism.

I don't even understand the abused spouse example. It does not make sense at all. What is the relationship? Where is the pain? Who is the abuser? Do you even know what you're talking about at this point? Seriously?

It is one of the most strong examples of denial. Of course, you took it as an attack on you personally.

 

[Bandini]

Well, word is that Pandora's price tag is in the >1 billion range and that will have two attractions, so is the correct answer four? (two E-tickets and two C/D-tickets?)

Which would you rather have: A ride reservation system that has made every day a crowd level 7 or 4 new attractions.

Boy, I sure hope Pandora is worth it's price tag......when it opens.

 

[Matt_Black]

Uh... Disney Springs is fun, ain't it? Shops and fun restaurants and street entertainment and an Indiana Jones bar!

 

[ford91exploder]

Which would you rather have: A ride reservation system that has made every day a crowd level 7 or 4 new attractions.

Boy, I sure hope Pandora is worth it's price tag......when it opens.

4 New attractions would win in my book hands down, Almost typed $ instead of 4

 

[Otterhead]

Did you know Disney has a "secret" research facility in Austin Texas?

The one that they show on the videos aboard Magical Express buses? Yes, it's not...er... secret.

They work on all sorts of projects for the parks, such as mini-drones Disney's developing to create patterns of animated lights during fireworks shows, and really cool multitouch technology they're working on for park experiences -- there's videos out there of interactive multi-touch tech added to ordinary objects like pools of water or doorknobs that would react differently depending on how you hold them.

You seem to be intent on seeing the most ordinary normal things in the most malevolent paranoid way possible.

 

[Bocabear]

Which would you rather have: A ride reservation system that has made every day a crowd level 7 or 4 new attractions.

Boy, I sure hope Pandora is worth it's price tag......when it opens.

I feel certain with their current track record, that Pandora will ne "nice", but will miss the mark of "WOW" and will miss the expectation based on what they are spending to build it... Seems to be the way of the parks lately... I sure hope I am wrong, but I suspect I am not.