'Disney Springs' - Downtown Disney expansion officially announced

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Obviously West End is not part of the springs story. Please find a quote from a Disney official and prove me wrong. It is part of the overall project but the theme is entirely different. That is clear to me. You did not have food trucks or bowling alleys at the turn of the century. Especially in Florida.
The story is about adaptive reuse. The buildings are supposed to be from 100 years ago, but you're not supposed to be there at that time.
 

articos

Well-Known Member
Obviously West End is not part of the springs story. Please find a quote from a Disney official and prove me wrong. It is part of the overall project but the theme is entirely different. That is clear to me. You did not have food trucks or bowling alleys at the turn of the century. Especially in Florida.

ReDis claimed insider status and often dropped names (first name only of course) and used to post all sorts of rumors as facts. You are following that same path.
Alright. Well, I'm not going to get into a war of words with you. I've been nothing but polite, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. I did not come in to the forum claiming anything, I've let my posting speak for itself. I haven't, and won't, post any rumors at all. I have, and will continue to, confirm information that I know is true once it's released, and I'll happily provide commentary for those who want to know more about the inner workings of how attractions and themed entertainment gets built, as well as a lot of the history that may not be well-known alongside my personal opinions. I've spent 25 years working with Disney, Universal and many others in Orlando, Las Vegas, Southern California and China on some of the attractions & parks that get routinely ripped into around here, which gives me a pretty good firsthand insight into what I'm speaking on. I'm breaking with the norm by commenting here, which is generally frowned upon by my bosses (hence my deciding to stay anonymous for now - it also gives me the freedom to speak my mind a bit more without offending people I work with). I think the general level of discourse here is pretty high, and I enjoy getting to explain a bit of why we do what we do and the discussion that follows. And I have loved theme parks and Disney since I was a kid. If you choose to think I don't know what I'm talking about, so be it.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
The story is about adaptive reuse. The buildings are supposed to be from 100 years ago, but you're not supposed to be there at that time.

I assure you Florida had no such buildings but that does not mean I disagree with you. Rather the area will represent a post industrial city center. More Chicago than Miami. Didn't HoB start in Chicago? Every way I look at it, it seems to work.

And if I can be indulged to wear my Armchair Imagineering hat for a moment (which I rarely do anymore) a thought keeps occurring to me.

Since they are building a parking facility on the south side of DQ it would be easy to have the main entrance to DQ move to that side. That way a family could visit without having to walk through the West Side. This would allow West Side to be more adult oriented without discouraging young families from going to DQ in the evenings.

But here is the clincher. The top of the new parking garage could be a covered extension of DQ. So all you fellow armchair imagineers, pretty much skies the limit with such a concept. I do not think a driving range is viable though.

OK, that is my Armchair Imagineering for 2013. Thanks for your indulgence.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Ah. Ok, thanks.:rolleyes:

Alright. Well, I'm not going to get into a war of words with you. I've been nothing but polite, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. I did not come in to the forum claiming anything, I've let my posting speak for itself. I haven't, and won't, post any rumors at all. I have, and will continue to, confirm information that I know is true once it's released, and I'll happily provide commentary for those who want to know more about the inner workings of how attractions and themed entertainment gets built, as well as a lot of the history that may not be well-known alongside my personal opinions. I've spent 25 years working with Disney, Universal and many others in Orlando, Las Vegas, Southern California and China on some of the attractions & parks that get routinely ripped into around here, which gives me a pretty good firsthand insight into what I'm speaking on. I'm breaking with the norm by commenting here, which is generally frowned upon by my bosses (hence my deciding to stay anonymous for now - it also gives me the freedom to speak my mind a bit more without offending people I work with). I think the general level of discourse here is pretty high, and I enjoy getting to explain a bit of why we do what we do and the discussion that follows. And I have loved theme parks and Disney since I was a kid. If you choose to think I don't know what I'm talking about, so be it.

This morning you claimed that the west end theme did not fit with Florida at the turn of the century. I agree but then I do not believe it was ever intended to. Many posters have run with what you and others have said even though you were likely in error. You did not correct your error and I have seen time and again how such false information takes on a life of its own. (see hatbox ghost). Other than that I find what you have written quite informative.

That is all. Good night and good luck. :cool:
 

articos

Well-Known Member
This morning you claimed that the west end theme did not fit with Florida at the turn of the century. I agree but then I do not believe it was ever intended to. Many posters have run with what you and others have said even though you were likely in error. You did not correct your error and I have seen time and again how such false information takes on a life of its own. (see hatbox ghost). Other than that I find what you have written quite informative.

That is all. Good night and good luck. :cool:
The only thing I can say is I am not in error. Also, that's not quite what I said in my post. Among other things, I said various parts of the architectural package did not fit with the reality of an Old Florida theme. I also said the elevated rail trestle is not accurate to Old Florida, to which you stated the West Side was not going to be a part of that theming. When, in fact, it is. I know that firsthand from the team. So, no, this is not hatbox ghost. West Side will not get the heavy theming that the new sections will get, but as I've noted a couple times, the entire zone will get an overlay that will tie everything together.
 

articos

Well-Known Member
Keep it coming. I enjoy reading your posts.

On a non-Disney related note, anything I would recognize in Las Vegas that you worked on. My other favorite place besides WDW is Vegas.
Thanks. Quite a few in Vegas. If you've stayed on the Strip, you've likely walked into a space I've had a hand in. It's one of my favorite places as well.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I assure you Florida had no such buildings but that does not mean I disagree with you. Rather the area will represent a post industrial city center. More Chicago than Miami. Didn't HoB start in Chicago? Every way I look at it, it seems to work.
There were no industrial buildings in Florida 100 years ago? Or are you acknowledging what has already been discussed about the disconnect between the design and the story?
 

c-one

Well-Known Member
Keeping in mind, Disney is not inviting local food trucks in. They're having them built. There might be deals being structured to have local operators and a profit share, but again, I don't know. But this is not Disney asking local business to come be a part of Disney Springs. Disney is keeping a firm grasp on things.
Oh ok. I rescind my previous excitement then. :(
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Oh ok. I rescind my previous excitement then. :(

No reason to worry. There are some Disney run restaurants that have good and unique food. No reason they can't bring something fresh and delicious to DTD via food trucks. The one thing they will definitely not be is cheap;). That's where the possible authentic experience ends.
 

ASilmser

Active Member
Have you ever attended F&W festival? Also I have seen plenty of PDA that came from people who were not drunk. Braws? Go look on youtube and you can find a few that happened right in the parks.My point is these types of behaviors were not exclusive to PI. If DIsney does decide to have some adult style clubs do you think spreading them out would curtail these behaviors from happening? I get that Disney wants to be a family friendly oriented resort. That one problem though, they have families that travel to the resort that have no children. When people go on vacation they want to relax have a drink or two....or three.

I didn't ever say that drunken behavior never happens anywhere else. Inappropriate PDA? of course it happens. I also didn't say that fights never break out anywhere else. One of the most interesting things I've ever seen at WDW is a couple of brawling families at the Magic Kingdom. They were with their kids, throwing f-bombs, fists, and other loud insults. It was a family affair. Moms, Dads, and Teen-aged kids. Real classy. There was more yelling than fighting, but there was still blood. My kids sure did freak out. They had never seen adults act like that. It was the Hatfields and the McCoys meets Jersey shore. Luckily security broke it all up before it got out of hand. We spent most of the rest of our week trying to explain to them what the heck (do we allow "hell" on this forum? Actual question BTW) had just happened.

My point was . . . and it was pure speculation. . . that when you have a venue like PI, you are MOST LIKELY (again, speculation, but based on logic) going to get more of this type of behavior than usual. I was thinking that this was one of the reasons it was shut down to be "re-imagined." Even though I mentioned that I never shed a tear over the demise of PI, I certainly agree that there should be a wide variety of places for adults without kids to relax and have a drink or two. . . or three.

Not my scene, but it makes sense. Places like that in the mix add a vibrant atmosphere to a place. There's something cool about walking past a place and hearing the music booming and the crowds lining up. I am hoping that there is a good MIX of all types of night-life throughout the complex. They certainly are saying there will be. PERFECT venue for AC, BTW. (That's my shout out to Lee, whose posts I have admired and appreciated on this forum for years)

As I've said before, though, I'll believe it when I see it.
 

Mouse Detective

Well-Known Member
Somebody somewhere pointed out that the Lego store has the orange color on one of the Disney Springs overlay maps, an indication that it was being torn down. But it seemed highly unlikely that it would be eliminated since it was just enlarged a couple years ago.

But today I was at the Lego store and walked up to two cashiers that were standing there and asked about that. Both immediately sported -eating grins on their faces and quickly denied that they were moving or the building was to be demolished. But their weird unnatural grins did not instill confidence in me about what they were saying.

Something's up with Lego.
 

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