Disney Springs construction begins

wdwmagic

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We will see so far no tenants other than Starbucks and a parking structure for a years worth of construction Consider me underwhelmed.

If there is anything today's Disney has taught us it is to expect little and be underwhelmed by finished product. Mermaid being latest example
Tenants do not get announced a year out from their opening. It makes no sense for them to do. How about waiting until the thing opens - then judge it.
 

wdwmagic

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I'm curious what magical fluff is going to be a part of the structure for the garages that is taking them so long, and why they chose poured on site vs. prefab. I'm sorry, but the crawling speed on this garage while they continue to screw up the parking situation even more (about half of the lot behind Cirque is now behind construction walls!) is not sitting well with a lot of people, and unless an engineer or someone with structural knowledge of parking garages can give us an example of why they need to go poured on site (other than the floors, at this size, I get the floors being poured) for the support structure, my skepticism and negativity continues to grow. Meanwhile down I-4 a parking garage is going up at blazing speed and looks like it will be done in about 4 months total.
Disney typically builds the best of the best when it comes to structures. Just take a look at what they did with the GF DVC structure. I am no construction expert, but I would expect the Disney Springs parking garage to be top of the line. The same cannot be said for elsewhere.
 

travellerman

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Does anyone know when the parking garage is supposed to open? Hopefully I will be able to get to Disney in late fall (late October or early November) Too soon to expect the parking to be finished??
 

maxairmike

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Disney typically builds the best of the best when it comes to structures. Just take a look at what they did with the GF DVC structure. I am no construction expert, but I would expect the Disney Springs parking garage to be top of the line. The same cannot be said for elsewhere.

Sure, and I would expect the exterior to take a while to make it look a lot less like a parking garage, and the GF DVC structure went up much faster (but we all know why that went up so quick), but this garage is moving at an indefensibly glacial pace right now. A parking garage structure is a parking garage structure. "Top of the line" simply means it holds up well in this instance. Would you say the structure they're putting up at Universal for their TMs isn't "top of the line" structurally? I know, size difference, but I really doubt there's a true "need" to pour on site. Universal's main garages appear to be mostly pre-fab, and I'd say they're structurally "top of the line."

Heck, I'm slightly excited for Disney Springs as a whole! I just wish they didn't move slower than a turtle on everything they do that doesn't have a direct revenue stream (i.e. DVC construction), because there's no real reason other than spreading costs out over multiple quarters/years for going that slow.
 

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Sure, and I would expect the exterior to take a while to make it look a lot less like a parking garage, and the GF DVC structure went up much faster (but we all know why that went up so quick), but this garage is moving at an indefensibly glacial pace right now. A parking garage structure is a parking garage structure. "Top of the line" simply means it holds up well in this instance. Would you say the structure they're putting up at Universal for their TMs isn't "top of the line" structurally? I know, size difference, but I really doubt there's a true "need" to pour on site. Universal's main garages appear to be mostly pre-fab, and I'd say they're structurally "top of the line."

Heck, I'm slightly excited for Disney Springs as a whole! I just wish they didn't move slower than a turtle on everything they do that doesn't have a direct revenue stream (i.e. DVC construction), because there's no real reason other than spreading costs out over multiple quarters/years for going that slow.
The DVC GF villas took around 2 years. The Disney Springs garage started around Oct 2013, and will be done by Dec 2014. So the parking garage will be built faster, and it is considerably larger. I am sure there is a very good reason for the pour on site - they want this finished and open as much as everyone else does.
 

WDWFanDave

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The DVC GF villas took around 2 years. The Disney Springs garage started around Oct 2013, and will be done by Dec 2014. So the parking garage will be built faster, and it is considerably larger. I am sure there is a very good reason for the pour on site - they want this finished and open as much as everyone else does.

I'd agree that they likely want this done, and done quick. Most retail leases include some type of revenue based payment to the property owners, and I'd have to bet that all the construction and the lack of parking is impacting the level of business at DTD, in a negative way. Also, since the project includes new space for retail leases, there is money on the line here, and I'd expect that if the firm they hired to fill the spaces is as good as they purport to be, we'll see it fill in nicely.
 

ford91exploder

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Tenants do not get announced a year out from their opening. It makes no sense for them to do. How about waiting until the thing opens - then judge it.
Funny

In the Non-Disney universe Developers can't wait to announce their tenant list, Builds interest in the project In Boston and NYC tenant lists are advertised even before the groundbreaking ceremony, Last few Premium Outlets had their tenant list in the media while the steel was going up.

Disney is so complacent these days they think the customers will tolerate anything and buy simply because 'It's Disney'

I'm just setting my expectations on the low end of the amazement scale and I expect I will be disappointed, Look at FLE 5 separate 'Mermaid' plans from amazing E-ticket to Plastic-Looking fish on a stick, What did WDW get 'Plastic Fish on a stick'

For the Disney Springs I expect lots of 'Check back here real soon' signs at opening and 5 years after'
 

ford91exploder

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Disney typically builds the best of the best when it comes to structures. Just take a look at what they did with the GF DVC structure. I am no construction expert, but I would expect the Disney Springs parking garage to be top of the line. The same cannot be said for elsewhere.

You mean the structure which sticks out like a sore thumb because it's missing the details on all the other structures in the GF complex, That one????
 

wdwmagic

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Funny

In the Non-Disney universe Developers can't wait to announce their tenant list, Builds interest in the project In Boston and NYC tenant lists are advertised even before the groundbreaking ceremony, Last few Premium Outlets had their tenant list in the media while the steel was going up.

Disney is so complacent these days they think the customers will tolerate anything and buy simply because 'It's Disney'

I'm just setting my expectations on the low end of the amazement scale and I expect I will be disappointed, Look at FLE 5 separate 'Mermaid' plans from amazing E-ticket to Plastic-Looking fish on a stick, What did WDW get 'Plastic Fish on a stick'

For the Disney Springs I expect lots of 'Check back here real soon' signs at opening and 5 years after'
Well your premium outlets operate on the low end of the market. Disney Springs is operating on the upper end of the market. Things are done differently.
 

ford91exploder

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Well your premium outlets operate on the low end of the market. Disney Springs is operating on the upper end of the market. Things are done differently.
Developments on Boylston St in Boston are on the order of Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills. If you make less than 7 figures don't even bother trying to go in. These are the developments I'm talking about. You can get a condo in the same developments starting at about 1.5 mil for a studio loft apartment.

Disney does not have any stores other than the Wyland Galleries which could be considered 'high end'
 

xdan0920

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I don't think that building is coming down. It will be repurposed, but the building remains. I believe all the demolition work on the former Pleasure Island is complete.

So the AC building is not coming down? What on earth can they repurpose that building as???
 

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