Disney Skyliner shutdown and evacuation - October 6 2019

[ImperfectPixie]

I haven't had the time to read this whole thread or even fully read the news reports. However, this was a thought I also had. When I ski and a Gondola or lift stops you sit there (either outside with your legs dangling on a chair or inside a gondola) until it starts moving. Nobody says anything to you. Granted, the longest I've ever been stopped is maybe 10 minutes.

I also don't understand how anybody got hurt. I've been on lifts and in gondolas when they do an e-stop and it isn't like you are crashing into a solid wall. I've never been standing when one happens but the chair/cabin swings with you so I don't understand how somebody can be injured.

As far as the bathroom goes, when I am skiing if I remotely have to use the bathroom, I do so before boarding a lift or gondola just in case.

From what I've read, news outlets originally reported no injuries (haven't seen any mentioned since). One person supposedly required being brought to the hospital for claustrophobia, hyperventilation, and a seizure history. I did read somewhere about someone vomiting, but I'm not sure if that was the same guest or how credible the source is. The two others were treated and released according to one of the news outlets, but they didn't specify why.

 

[Clamman73]

I haven't had the time to read this whole thread or even fully read the news reports. However, this was a thought I also had. When I ski and a Gondola or lift stops you sit there (either outside with your legs dangling on a chair or inside a gondola) until it starts moving. Nobody says anything to you. Granted, the longest I've ever been stopped is maybe 10 minutes.

I also don't understand how anybody got hurt. I've been on lifts and in gondolas when they do an e-stop and it isn't like you are crashing into a solid wall. I've never been standing when one happens but the chair/cabin swings with you so I don't understand how somebody can be injured.

As far as the bathroom goes, when I am skiing if I remotely have to use the bathroom, I do so before boarding a lift or gondola just in case.

True....but you're not dealing with a population of people that 100% have to use that form of transportation regularly like skiers do...plus if you're on the slopes, you're in pretty decent shape as it is.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I haven't had the time to read this whole thread or even fully read the news reports. However, this was a thought I also had. When I ski and a Gondola or lift stops you sit there (either outside with your legs dangling on a chair or inside a gondola) until it starts moving. Nobody says anything to you. Granted, the longest I've ever been stopped is maybe 10 minutes.

I also don't understand how anybody got hurt. I've been on lifts and in gondolas when they do an e-stop and it isn't like you are crashing into a solid wall. I've never been standing when one happens but the chair/cabin swings with you so I don't understand how somebody can be injured.

As far as the bathroom goes, when I am skiing if I remotely have to use the bathroom, I do so before boarding a lift or gondola just in case.

The longest I've ever been stuck was about 30 minutes. I have no idea why the lift stopped for so long, nor did I or anyone else in my gondola seem to care. We eventually reached the top and skied down without incident.

This is how the rest of the world handles minor inconveniences.

I think the only time a ski resort ever offered an explanation for a stop was when a regional power outage shut down everything. But in this case, it shut down the resort, so I think they needed to make the announcement.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Yes, training over IG was done at night for instance. But in those scenarios, depends on how much role playing they did vs just practicing certain steps.

That makes sense.

 

[Millionaire2K]

The hyperbole spewing after this incident is just turning this thread into a toxic wasteland. Every poster that was going on about the Skyliner over the last few years were clearly just waiting for something to happen so they could all start foaming at the mouth in unison.

This incident was clearly not communicated properly during the evac/stop to the guests trapped. Disney can do better, and should do better, and I hope will do better.

BUT,

Gondola's are generally reliable, safe, and an efficient means of travel. The statistical odds of this sort of incident are extremely low, but it happened, and Disney will fix and learn from this.

If you don't like the gondolas, don't ride them.

Kbye.

Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

 

[Orangeanna]

I was certainly not waiting for something to happen. I was so excited to ride. Probably would have been next week. Wasn't worried about a.c or whatever. It's different now. Clearly there are issues with performance and Emergency response., And a.c. I'm sorry but there is. And a lot of angry or worried people. I'm more concerned than I was before. I'll still ride

 

[Hakunamatata]

In my post last night, I did not bring up what I thought might be the problems. As stated in other posts, I too believe that the average Disney guest is less fit, slower, larger, with more medical issues, both physical and mental than the average population. My next opinion might get me in trouble. I also believe that the average Disney guess is less intelligent. 50% of the population will always be less intelligent than the other 50%, and I think the less intelligent group travels to Disney more frequently.

I wonder how many of the stops, slow downs, and delays were caused by those people. They can not figure out to close a stroller until they get to the door, even though they know that they will be boarding in less than a minute. They get on anything boats, busses, goldolas, and ride vehicles and sit in the first seat, making everyone walk around them. Park tickets, wallets, money, and keys are always buried in some backpack or bag when they get to the
register or scanner, and they hold up the line.

The gondolas should be so simple and easy to ride, but when you try and load the the average Disney guest, you get slowdowns, delays, and stops.

Your first opinion didn't ingratiate you to many people im affraid.

 

[danlb_2000]

Did they ever discuss putting up safety warnings that certain types of guests may want to ride the bus instead?

They did do this...

 

[Communicora]

They did do this...

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Yes, and many on here have said the plan is to phase out bus transportation at the connected resorts. Disney clearly eyes the skyliners as a form of transportation that will work for the majority of their guests. I do think it will be a nice improvement on buses once they work out some of these apparent issues, but I think this event highlights that it may not be the best form of transport for some guests.. Disney will need to continue to offer buses at these large resorts to accommodate them.

 

[Lilofan]

They did do this...

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Disneyland Paris has signs in French/English. Tokyo Disney has signs in Japanese/English. WDW English/Spanish in the future? just like the parking tram spiel in two languages.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

They did do this...

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Yeah...the sign designer in me says that type for the warnings needs to be significantly bigger. I’d say readable at 10 feet at least.

 

[danlb_2000]

Yeah...the sign designer in me says that type for the warnings needs to be significantly bigger. I’d say readable at 10 feet at least.

The Marketing executive in my says it needs to be signficatnly smaller as to not scare off guests.

 

[Scrooged]

In my post last night, I did not bring up what I thought might be the problems. As stated in other posts, I too believe that the average Disney guest is less fit, slower, larger, with more medical issues, both physical and mental than the average population. My next opinion might get me in trouble. I also believe that the average Disney guess is less intelligent. 50% of the population will always be less intelligent than the other 50%, and I think the less intelligent group travels to Disney more frequently.

I wonder how many of the stops, slow downs, and delays were caused by those people. They can not figure out to close a stroller until they get to the door, even though they know that they will be boarding in less than a minute. They get on anything boats, busses, goldolas, and ride vehicles and sit in the first seat, making everyone walk around them. Park tickets, wallets, money, and keys are always buried in some backpack or bag when they get to the
register or scanner, and they hold up the line.

The gondolas should be so simple and easy to ride, but when you try and load the the average Disney guest, you get slowdowns, delays, and stops.

It certainly seems that you are quite the selfaware-wolf with that comment.

Regardless of the intelligence quotient, girth, or all around travel-worthiness of guests it is Disney's job to safely get said guests onto and off all transportation that is available. I think that they successfully do that a vast majority of the time. To blame it all on dumb fat and stupid people [sic] is rather myopic on your part and does not further the discussion as to how to prevent this in the future, or streamline the experience. Unless you want to start giving people BMI and IQ tests before entry to the park.

 

[Phil12]

The chart shows almost the whole range of humidity is already "extreme caution" at 91 degrees. 103 is "danger" in common humidity range.
Interesting.

It's the same for pigs too. As you can see 33°C equals 91.4°F:

 

[danv3]

There were Skyliner CMS there around midday when this pic was shot, so I wouldn't read much into that.

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Disney Skyliner closed - Photo 3 of 3

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You’re probably right. What’s really weird is that in addition to 2-3 Skyliner CMs there are 4-5 security CMs.

 

[Vacationeer]

Unless you want to start giving people BMI and IQ tests before entry to the park.

Better results with testing AQ scores. Adjustment Quotient for well-adjusted, common sense or awareness of others. Need a 7/10 for a MB.

 

[Lilofan]

You’re probably right. What’s really weird is that in addition to 2-3 Skyliner CMs there are 4-5 security CMs.

After a major event like this Disney is doing a CYA approach and having Security there in case what if.. I recall after the fatal alligator attack at the Grand Floridian a few years ago, there was a heavy security presence when we were there maybe to chase away the media.

 

[Dad 2 M & M]

50% of the population will always be less alive than the other 50% ?

I'm sure we could assign some sort of measure to alive, extra alive, and less alive


......I'm a little less alive waiting for an update on the skyliner

 

[WDWTrojan]

The hyperbole spewing after this incident is just turning this thread into a toxic wasteland. Every poster that was going on about the Skyliner over the last few years were clearly just waiting for something to happen so they could all start foaming at the mouth in unison.

This incident was clearly not communicated properly during the evac/stop to the guests trapped. Disney can do better, and should do better, and I hope will do better.

BUT,

Gondola's are generally reliable, safe, and an efficient means of travel. The statistical odds of this sort of incident are extremely low, but it happened, and Disney will fix and learn from this.

If you don't like the gondolas, don't ride them.

Kbye.

All of this! Yes they will tweak SOP, perhaps add some numbers to the bottom of the vehicles but the idea that this isn’t still 1000% safer than driving to work in the morning is just silly.

To the people speculating Disney will “trash” the system, or the know-it-all 20 year old vlogger who swears Disney is going to add A/C, you’re all wrong.

 

[Hawg G]

Incorrect. HIPAA doesn't even apply to Disney, because it is not a health care provider, insurance provider or in an allied health service field.

That isn't completely correct. Plenty of companies are covered that aren't in those fields. Your employer is covered in certain scenarios, most likely, because they have sensitive information regarding you and others.

If you are injured at work, HIPAA most certainly comes in to play. Your boss can't go tell all your coworkers that you cut your finger off yesterday, and that's why you aren't at work.

There are also state privacy laws that come in to play.

And similarly, Disney can not say "Fred Sandford had a panic attack on a gondola, and had to be removed by paramedics and taken to the hospital." That would be desimminating private health information about Fred that Disney has knowledge of because of the injury happening on property. One could argue Disney should not know that, but if Reedy Creek has an ambulance or first responders.....