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News Disney Riviera Resort announced

wdisney9000

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Missing20K

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One can't shine [...].

This is how they once could design and render a deluxe, top dollar themed resort:
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From that, to this:
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They were gods in the field of themed hotels. Now they're worms (excepting Star Wars interiors).
Oh you'd be surprised how well I can shine a.......drab shoe.

I can't help but think some of the reason we are seeing these renderings is because WDI are not creating the artwork. Few, if any, architecture firms employ a "concept artist" in the traditional sense. At most arch firms, the visual design specialist is just the project architect or design architect or cad monkey that happens to have the most experience creating renderings.

Virtually no clients want to pay extra for renderings and visualization so it's usually relegated to someone who isn't charging the client $100+ an hour (I did a lot of renderings as an intern, for instance). Most times, in fact, the visualization and renderings are farmed out to either India, China, or a local "arch viz" firm (I worked for one of these architectural visualization firms for a couple years right after graduating).

Bottom line being, DIS should be paying in-house artists to create concept art and renderings, and then coordinating with the architecture firm to ensure the design documents meet the intent of the concept art. It seems, from the outside looking in, that the opposite is happening. WDI/DIS states to the arch firm what they want (European Riviera inspired hotel/resort) and the arch firm starts designing to their own whims and ideas and then review it with WDI to see if it's what the Imagineers were envisioning. Pure speculation of course, but as a trained eye, that's what it appears to me.
 

xdan0920

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Bottom line being, DIS should be paying in-house artists to create concept art and renderings, and then coordinating with the architecture firm to ensure the design documents meet the intent of the concept art. It seems, from the outside looking in, that the opposite is happening. WDI/DIS states to the arch firm what they want (European Riviera inspired hotel/resort) and the arch firm starts designing to their own whims and ideas and then review it with WDI to see if it's what the Imagineers were envisioning. Pure speculation of course, but as a trained eye, that's what it appears to me.
This is where my head was too. I find myself wondering how much resort design WDI is really doing these days. This place looks fine, honestly. But far below what you’d expect from Imagineering.
 

MickeyMinnieMom

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This resort looks lovely, but by my break-even analysis using our vacationing particulars, there's no way to justify this purchase. The only way I can get to a break-even is assuming the same rate of increase in dues (actually 5.5%/yr since we've owned), as in rack rates (actually 3.6%/yr since we've owned DVC) -- and even there I arrive at 40yrs. I can drive it down to about 15yrs if I assume opportunity cost of capital to be the paltry amount the funds would get if they instead sat in the bank (I suspect Disney doesn't even include this in the analysis they market). Our three purchases broke even in 7-8 yrs each (in 2006, 2009, 2013). They've changed the economics of DVC, and it no longer makes sense for us.

We'll probably try renting at 7mos. to check it out. But that's a big MAYBE -- because we can get BLT for just slightly FEWER points per night (which seems insane to me given location and walkability).
 
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Lensman

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Hmm, a good question. Will they be sharing a bus?
No one replied or speculated further on this point. What are the chances that Riviera will share a bus for AK, DS, and MK with CBR? There are only 300 rooms so I could imagine that service might be skimpy in the low demand periods or for the water parks.
 

wdwmagic

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Disney Vacation Club offering introductory offer on membership along with beginning general sales for Disney's Riviera Resort
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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This resort looks lovely, but by my break-even analysis using our vacationing particulars, there's no way to justify this purchase. The only way I can get to a break-even is assuming the same rate of increase in dues (actually 5.5%/yr since we've owned), as in rack rates (actually 3.6%/yr since we've owned DVC) -- and even there I arrive at 40yrs. I can drive it down to about 15yrs if I assume opportunity cost of capital to be the paltry amount the funds would get if they instead sat in the bank (I suspect Disney doesn't even include this in the analysis they market). Our three purchases broke even in 7-8 yrs each (in 2006, 2009, 2013). They've changed the economics of DVC, and it no longer makes sense for us.

We'll probably try renting at 7mos. to check it out. But that's a big MAYBE -- because we can get BLT for just slightly FEWER points per night (which seems insane to me given location and walkability).
This is fantastic...and exactly where I’m at.

I tinkered with an add on last year...did some of the phoney back and forth interactions with DVC...
But I got the distinct impression they expected me to ultimately lose interest.

And why shouldn’t they? They saw when I bought it the first time and they know it doesn’t work at all. So it’s not worth pursuing unless you go outta your way to make yourself a mark.

Sunrise...sunset.

I’d be interested in an “incentive” for this....$22,000...not $2,200

...I’ll wait for the phone to ring 😉
 

ThatMouse

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Woohoo! Save $2,250 when you spend $32,000 plus $1500 / year annual fees that increase every year. Don't have $32k? How does $200 / month in interest payments sound? Your children will enjoy community college trust me!
 

MickeyMinnieMom

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This is fantastic...and exactly where I’m at.

I tinkered with an add on last year...did some of the phoney back and forth interactions with DVC...
But I got the distinct impression they expected me to ultimately lose interest.

And why shouldn’t they? They saw when I bought it the first time and they know it doesn’t work at all. So it’s not worth pursuing unless you go outta your way to make yourself a mark.

Sunrise...sunset.

I’d be interested in an “incentive” for this....$22,000...not $2,200

...I’ll wait for the phone to ring 😉
Yeah... I think the incentive amounts being offered are borderline hilarious given how they’ve priced this thing.
 

MickeyMinnieMom

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Cruise around the boards you’ll find no shortage of folks willing to pay these prices.
How many of them can/do perform a break even analysis? Just feels like this one requires a higher ratio of uneducated consumers than DVC of yore... but perhaps some people’s particulars actually get to not-entirely-unreasonable numbers. I couldn’t get there.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Cruise around the boards you’ll find no shortage of folks willing to pay these prices.
No doubt...that’s what allows them to raise the points 8 dollars a year...if not more
How many of them can/do perform a break even analysis? Just feels like this one requires a higher ratio of uneducated consumers than DVC of yore... but perhaps some people’s particulars actually get to not-entirely-unreasonable numbers. I couldn’t get there.
Few...even though there are places like this where you can become fully educated...Disney sells primarily to the uneducated

It’s the intoxication of the name on the door. For some reason - people assume that Disney is NOT out to get them. It’s upside down logic. Or lack thereof.
 

MickeyMinnieMom

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No doubt...that’s what allows them to raise the points 8 dollars a year...if not more


Few...even though there are places like this where you can become fully educated...Disney sells primarily to the uneducated

It’s the intoxication of the name on the door. For some reason - people assume that Disney is NOT out to get them. It’s upside down logic. Or lack thereof.
Meh. Sales is sales is sales. Even in the place where dreams come true... ;)
 

nickys

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No doubt...that’s what allows them to raise the points 8 dollars a year...if not more


Few...even though there are places like this where you can become fully educated...Disney sells primarily to the uneducated

It’s the intoxication of the name on the door. For some reason - people assume that Disney is NOT out to get them. It’s upside down logic. Or lack thereof.
Up until yesterday at least, everyone who has bought there has been adding on. Hardly uneducated, they know exactly what they’re getting into. They’re buying so they can stay there a couple of nights a year, or longer every 2-3 years, as part of their overall WDW vacations. Some have sold one contract to buy this one. Others have enough points elsewhere to rent out some to cover MFs and use the rest. Some just have the money to spend.

But you’re also correct, in that a lot of new buyers will not know the ins and outs, and may not have calculated the overall cost including MFs. Which is why the resale market exists.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
Up until yesterday at least, everyone who has bought there has been adding on. Hardly uneducated, they know exactly what they’re getting into. They’re buying so they can stay there a couple of nights a year, or longer every 2-3 years, as part of their overall WDW vacations. Some have sold one contract to buy this one. Others have enough points elsewhere to rent out some to cover MFs and use the rest. Some just have the money to spend.
It's more uncaring then uneducated.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Up until yesterday at least, everyone who has bought there has been adding on. Hardly uneducated, they know exactly what they’re getting into. They’re buying so they can stay there a couple of nights a year, or longer every 2-3 years, as part of their overall WDW vacations. Some have sold one contract to buy this one. Others have enough points elsewhere to rent out some to cover MFs and use the rest. Some just have the money to spend.

But you’re also correct, in that a lot of new buyers will not know the ins and outs, and may not have calculated the overall cost including MFs. Which is why the resale market exists.
Then those wise sages can explain to me why they’re buying Barbados at 2,3,4 times what they had bought prior in more interesting and detailed locations?

Use small words...it’s hard for me to keep up 😳
 
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